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Unread post by **barney** » 10 Nov 2016, 10:30

The people have at last woken up and smelled the coffee.

The leftie/liberals have had their day.

They bang on about 'populism' but surely the opposite is 'unpopulism', which they now find they represent.

The unelected EU stooge Renzi will be next, followed by Hollande.

Merkel will probably have enough about her to hang on by the skin of her teeth, in coalition.

One thing is for sure, we will see a very, very different Europe.

I fully expect Junker to be gone by this time next year and the softer Tusk in charge.

The social project has failed and changes will need to be made.

The UK can be proud that we set the ball rolling.

Unread post by **Stephen** » 10 Nov 2016, 11:44

You've got to admire the bloke a bit. He hasn't messed about working his way into politics and up the White House ladder. Oh no, he's gone straight for the top job and got it.

Only in a America

Unread post by **qbman1** » 10 Nov 2016, 12:38

I suppose you can't really knock him - he has never pretended to be something he's not. I blame all the silly buggers who voted for him !

Unread post by **oldbluefox** » 10 Nov 2016, 16:15

I can't get my head around those who were protesting against him yesterday. It seemed to consist mainly of young people aided by liberal lefty celebrities who had doubtless voted but had not got the result they had wanted. Love him or loathe him he had been elected by the majority so I see little point in spitting your dummy out.

Unread post by **Stephen** » 10 Nov 2016, 17:05

What's done is done. Suck it up and move on.

Unread post by **Raybosailor** » 10 Nov 2016, 17:56

Politics and business are much the same when it comes to useless twits with no experience going straight to the top and earning receiving a damn good wage before being found out for what they are really worth.

Unread post by **towny44** » 10 Nov 2016, 18:01

Raybosailor wrote:
Politics and business are much the same when it comes to useless twits with no experience going straight to the top and earning receiving a damn good wage before being found out for what they are really worth.

Love him or loathe him Trump seems to have been a very succesful businessman for quite a while, so I suspect he might make a reasonable job of being president. It all depends on the top team he chooses.

Unread post by **Raybosailor** » 10 Nov 2016, 18:25

towny44 wrote:
Raybosailor wrote:
Politics and business are much the same when it comes to useless twits with no experience going straight to the top and earning receiving a damn good wage before being found out for what they are really worth.
Love him or loathe him Trump seems to have been a very succesful businessman for quite a while, so I suspect he might make a reasonable job of being president. It all depends on the top team he chooses.

Trump inherited his wealth from his father who made his money building houses and selling them to veterans of the war, its a lot easier to maintain wealth than it is to create it, he gets no respect from me.

Unread post by **Raybosailor** » 10 Nov 2016, 18:36

barney wrote:
What were the words to that Dylan song ?

The times, they are a changing.

You can say that again.

Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's the battle outside raging
It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changing.

The senators and congress men must have been bribed or p*ssed.

Unread post by **oldbluefox** » 10 Nov 2016, 20:22

Despite his shortcomings I get the impression the Americans saw Trump as the best of the two options, It seems Clinton was not what was portrayed by the British media. Yet another example of biased reporting?

Where have we seen that before?

Unread post by **Mervyn and Trish** » 10 Nov 2016, 20:43

Oh surely not!!!

Unread post by **Mervyn and Trish** » 10 Nov 2016, 20:46

towny44 wrote:
Love him or loathe him Trump seems to have been a very succesful businessman for quite a while....

Just remind me. How many times has he been bankrupt? Not my definition of successful.

Unread post by **david63** » 10 Nov 2016, 21:34

oldbluefox wrote:
Despite his shortcomings I get the impression the Americans saw Trump as the best of the two options, It seems Clinton was not what was portrayed by the British media. Yet another example of biased reporting? Where have we seen that before?

However in total votes cast Clinton had more than Trump (apparently).

Unread post by **Silver_Shiney** » 10 Nov 2016, 21:40

david63 wrote:
oldbluefox wrote:
Despite his shortcomings I get the impression the Americans saw Trump as the best of the two options, It seems Clinton was not what was portrayed by the British media. Yet another example of biased reporting? Where have we seen that before?
However in total votes cast Clinton had more than Trump (apparently).

That's correct -the system here, though, is very different to what we're used to at home

Unread post by **david63** » 10 Nov 2016, 21:44

Silver_Shiney wrote:
the system here, though, is very different to what we're used to at home

In some respects it is not that different. There have been many occasions in the past where the party that holds power in the House of Commons has polled less votes than the main opposition party.

Unread post by **oldbluefox** » 11 Nov 2016, 08:31

david63 wrote:
Silver_Shiney wrote:
the system here, though, is very different to what we're used to at home
In some respects it is not that different. There have been many occasions in the past where the party that holds power in the House of Commons has polled less votes than the main opposition party.

It seems a strange system whereby the electoral college holds sway. Despite reading up on it I am still no better off!! They need Clegg over there to order a re-run!!

Unread post by **towny44** » 11 Nov 2016, 09:21

oldbluefox wrote:
david63 wrote:
Silver_Shiney wrote:
the system here, though, is very different to what we're used to at home
In some respects it is not that different. There have been many occasions in the past where the party that holds power in the House of Commons has polled less votes than the main opposition party.
It seems a strange system whereby the electoral college holds sway. Despite reading up on it I am still no better off!! They need Clegg over there to order a re-run!!

The US system is very similar to ours, but being limited to 50 states the regional impact of voting is more pronounced than ours, with the 650 constituencies that we have.
Neither system is perfect and both can produce results where the total votes would have a different outcome.

Unread post by **towny44** » 11 Nov 2016, 09:38

It's fascinating to wonder why, since the US vote, Sterling has suddenly increased in value against all world currencies. What factors are causing the currency traders to suddenly think that Sterling is under valued?

Unread post by **Mervyn and Trish** » 11 Nov 2016, 10:08

My understanding is that commentators believe Trump's isolationist tendencies make him likely to tear up trade deals with big countries and ditch the embryonic EU deal but to look more kindly on the UK because of Brexit, which he favours. So from being at the back of Obama's queue we're now much nearer, if not at, the front

Unread post by **Onelife** » 11 Nov 2016, 10:31

Mervyn and Trish wrote:
towny44 wrote:
Love him or loathe him Trump seems to have been a very succesful businessman for quite a while....
Just remind me. How many times has he been bankrupt? Not my definition of successful.

Hi Sir Merv...from what l have been reading Donald Trump has been involved with 6 bankruptcies, however, due to what is known as chapter 11 he personally has never been made bankrupt. Chapter 11 allows companies to negotiate terms in which a company can stay afloat while it re juggles it's finances.
"I do play with the bankruptcy laws – they’re very good for me" as a tool for trimming debt.

Donald Trump

If Trump can avoid a bullet and surrounds himself with some wise heads l can see his presidency doing rather well. No one gets to build a business empire of over 500 companies without having made good decisions ....He just needs to keep his trap shut and get on with what he dose best.

Regards

Keith

Unread post by **oldbluefox** » 11 Nov 2016, 11:37

The Obama quote about Britain going to the back of the queue if we voted out of the EU was interesting, especially since voting to leave he amended it to say he didn't really mean it. Disingenuous or what?
As an orator I like him. As a politician he is no different from the rest.

Unread post by **Stephen** » 11 Nov 2016, 12:46

Obama put on a good front when he met Trump yesterday, but you could clearly see he was not a happy bunny (oops) man.

Unread post by **Stephen** » 12 Nov 2016, 15:05

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Unread post by **Mervyn and Trish** » 12 Nov 2016, 16:31

I see in one paper today someone in the EU saying the UK will be punished if we try to do a trade deal with the US. They still don't get it. We're leaving. It'll soon be none of their bleeping business.

Unread post by **Stephen** » 12 Nov 2016, 16:53

Mervyn and Trish wrote:
I see in one paper today someone in the EU saying the UK will be punished if we try to do a trade deal with the US. They still don't get it. We're leaving. It'll soon be none of their bleeping business.

It was probably the Germans, and we know how that ended.

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