Weather hype

[qbman1]

Of course not, silly, then it was a "naturally occurring phenomenon" only now are the wicked humans to blame !

[Silver_Shiney]

Hi Mr Shiney...having read the link below it appears your Mr Coleman spouts more bulls**t than what l do...but in my defence my bulls**t is harmless fun, his, on the other hand appears to come from a man who enjoys being controversial.

https://www.desmogblog.com/john-coleman

According to a search of Google Scholar, John Coleman has not published peer-reviewed research on climate change. The only article returned was published in the “RAAF Radschool Association Magazine” titled “The Amazing Story Behind the Global Warming Scam” (PDF). [29], [30]

Coleman previously published numerous articles calling global warming a “scam” on “Coleman's Corner” on the KUSI News website. “Coleman's Corner” appears to have since been removed from the KUSi Website.

Regards

Keith

Happily, Keith, I disagree with you.

The lack of peer-reviewed papers means little. It is well-known that any paper that goes against the majority "scientific" concensus will never see the light of day - the publisher is invariably written off as an idiot. Mr Coleman is just one voice amongst many who see the whole man-made global warming claim purely as a mechanism for raising taxes. Remember that iconic photo a few years ago of a poor polar bear perched on a tiny platform of ice at risk of drowning, and the species becoming extinct, because global warming was melting the north pole? They conveniently forgot to point out that polar bears are strong swimmers and their numbers are increasing.

[Onelife]

This discussion has some similarities to that of a 30 a day smoker who wakes up 30 years latter to find he has lost his legs due to bad circulation and who can only get around with the help of oxygen. I bet when he started smoking he didn't... 20 years latter envisage himself with no legs or see himself having to rely on oxygen to help him breath.... even though he was told what the consequences could be.

The problem that surrounds climate discussion is that we the public rely on what we read and what we are told. I have an opinion on what l have heard and you will have yours. 


What can't be disputed is the fact that we in this century have done more man-made  harm to our planet than any other century before us What is more frightening is that with most pollutants you can see the effect they are having on the environment and do something about it, whereas with the invisible forms of pollutants such as co2 you can only get limited analysis on what the cumulative effect will be on our planet  hundreds- thousands of years latter?. 

Your little polar bears may well be increasing in numbers as well may be the ice that they are sitting on but in the short term this may not have anything to do with climate change but more to do with how our sun and  planets influence our planets climate?  This however shouldn't detract from the very real possibility that they and humankind could end up like the 30 day smoker.

The big unknown about climate change is 'time' .....for the sake of generations to come l hope you are right Mr Shiney.


Regards


Keith







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[Mervyn and Trish]

This discussion has some similarities to that of a 30 a day smoker who wakes up 30 years latter to find he has lost his legs due to bad circulation and who can only get around with the help of oxygen. I bet when he started smoking he didn't... 20 years latter envisage himself with no legs or see himself having to rely on oxygen to help him breath.... even though he was told what the consequences could be.

The problem that surrounds climate discussion is that we the public rely on what we read and what we are told. I have an opinion on what l have heard and you will have yours. 


What can't be disputed is the fact that we in this century have done more man-made  harm to our planet than any other century before us What is more frightening is that with most pollutants you can see the effect they are having on the environment and do something about it, whereas with the invisible forms of pollutants such as co2 you can only get limited analysis on what the cumulative effect will be on our planet  hundreds- thousands of years latter?. 

Your little polar bears may well be increasing in numbers as well may be the ice that they are sitting on but in the short term this may not have anything to do with climate change but more to do with how our sun and  planets influence our planets climate?  This however shouldn't detract from the very real possibility that they and humankind could end up like the 30 day smoker.

The big unknown about climate change is 'time' .....for the sake of generations to come l hope you are right Mr Shiney.
Regards
Keith

You capture a key point there Keefy. I do not deny climate change is happening but I am of one with the scientists who believe it has more to do with sun than whether I drive a car or have a coal fire. And if, and it is a very big if, it is all about CO2, then much more effective than putting energy prices up so OAPs freeze to death and forcing us all to drive Toyota Prius's would be to stop deforesting our planet.

[Onelife]

This discussion has some similarities to that of a 30 a day smoker who wakes up 30 years latter to find he has lost his legs due to bad circulation and who can only get around with the help of oxygen. I bet when he started smoking he didn't... 20 years latter envisage himself with no legs or see himself having to rely on oxygen to help him breath.... even though he was told what the consequences could be.

The problem that surrounds climate discussion is that we the public rely on what we read and what we are told. I have an opinion on what l have heard and you will have yours. 


What can't be disputed is the fact that we in this century have done more man-made  harm to our planet than any other century before us What is more frightening is that with most pollutants you can see the effect they are having on the environment and do something about it, whereas with the invisible forms of pollutants such as co2 you can only get limited analysis on what the cumulative effect will be on our planet  hundreds- thousands of years latter?. 

Your little polar bears may well be increasing in numbers as well may be the ice that they are sitting on but in the short term this may not have anything to do with climate change but more to do with how our sun and  planets influence our planets climate?  This however shouldn't detract from the very real possibility that they and humankind could end up like the 30 day smoker.

The big unknown about climate change is 'time' .....for the sake of generations to come l hope you are right Mr Shiney.
Regards
Keith

You capture a key point there Keefy. I do not deny climate change is happening but I am of one with the scientists who believe it has more to do with sun than whether I drive a car or have a coal fire. And if, and it is a very big if, it is all about CO2, then much more effective than putting energy prices up so OAPs freeze to death and forcing us all to drive Toyota Prius's would be to stop deforesting our planet.

Hi Sir Merv...You are obviously referring to the 30,000 scientists!! that John Coleman alluded to....I'm sure there are far more scientists that would rebuke their claims and if the truth be known most of the ones he referred to are probably employed by the very companies/countries that pollute the most.

P.s I agree with you about deforesting our planet but what the hell would you suggest I put on my wood burning stove tonight?

[Mervyn and Trish]

Let me make a comparison to your smokers story. Back in the 70s scientists claimed there was a link between the increasing number of vehicles on the road and rising incidence of asthma. At this point further research into asthma ground to a halt. The problem was solved. 30 years later the link was proven to be mistaken. 30 years of research lost.

My fear is we are doing the same with climate change. It's all the fault of those wicked people burning fossil fuels. Clamp down on them. Tax them out of existence. Job done. My fear is job not done and in thirty years time we'll realise it's a natural phenomenon and we've wasted time barking up the wrong tree. Like we have been, or so they now say, with diesel cars. Encouraged us to buy them. Now want to tax them out of town centres.

I entirely accept, as I've said before, that it's worthwhile finding alternative fuels. But it is criminally insane closing down coal fired power stations before we've built viable replacements.

And in the meantime let's understand climate change will happen and let's invest in protecting ourselves against it with decent flood defences and buildings in vulnerable areas that don't fall down in a wind above 50mph.

[Silver_Shiney]

The climate has been changing as it has been for thousands of years. It's cooler now than it was a few hundred years ago when they grew grapes up north.

[Onelife]

Let me make a comparison to your smokers story. Back in the 70s scientists claimed there was a link between the increasing number of vehicles on the road and rising incidence of asthma. At this point further research into asthma ground to a halt. The problem was solved. 30 years later the link was proven to be mistaken. 30 years of research lost.

My fear is we are doing the same with climate change. It's all the fault of those wicked people burning fossil fuels. Clamp down on them. Tax them out of existence. Job done. My fear is job not done and in thirty years time we'll realise it's a natural phenomenon and we've wasted time barking up the wrong tree. Like we have been, or so they now say, with diesel cars. Encouraged us to buy them. Now want to tax them out of town centres.

I entirely accept, as I've said before, that it's worthwhile finding alternative fuels. But it is criminally insane closing down coal fired power stations before we've built viable replacements.

And in the meantime let's understand climate change will happen and let's invest in protecting ourselves against it with decent flood defences and buildings in vulnerable areas that don't fall down in a wind above 50mph.

Hi Sir Merv... I'm not trying to be cantankerous here but everything I have read suggests there is a strong link between that of car pollution and asthma. What research are you referring to?

Besides I don't think people from China and other Asian cities would come to the same conclusion either?

I personally think global warming is a mixture of many things but undoubtedly pumping tons of carcinogenic waste into our atmosphere ain't going to be good for us in the long run, of that I am sure.

I tend to agree with you about better preparing ourselves for inclement weather patterns, and I also agree that we shouldn't be to hasty in down scaling our own natural resources before having found alternatives which meet our needs ...we now live in a dog eat dog world were any weakness will be exploited to the full.

Regards

Keith

[Mervyn and Trish]

Hi Sir Merv... I'm not trying to be cantankerous here but everything I have read suggests there is a strong link between that of car pollution and asthma.

In the same way as everything you read blames you for global warming! My point exactly.

Back in the 70s the assumption was made cars were the whole answer and research into other factors stagnated. Now it is accepted there is much more to it.

Here's what the NHS says:

"Factors such as a genes, air pollution, chlorine in swimming pools and modern hygiene standards have been suggested as possible causes, but there's not currently enough evidence to be certain whether any of these do cause asthma."

And:

"Some of the most common causes of occupational asthma include:
isocyanates (chemicals often found in spray paint)
flour and grain dust
colophony (a substance often found in solder fumes)
latex
animals
wood dust "

[Ray B]

Mr Trump maybe having a rethink..........................Asked if he thought human activity was linked to climate change; he responded: “I think there is some connectivity. Some, something. It depends on how much.”

He also said he would keep an open mind on whether he would pull the US out of a landmark international climate change deal.

[towny44]

The climate has been changing as it has been for thousands of years. It's cooler now than it was a few hundred years ago when they grew grapes up north.

I did not realise you were so old Shiney?

[towny44]

Mr Trump maybe having a rethink..........................Asked if he thought human activity was linked to climate change; he responded: “I think there is some connectivity. Some, something. It depends on how much.”

He also said he would keep an open mind on whether he would pull the US out of a landmark international climate change deal.

I only wish some of the European politicians were as pragmatic as DT, when it comes to talking about our exit terms.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Off topic I know but following Towny's point above.

Pathetic Malta today, a country smaller than many of our cities, chucking its weight about and thinking to dictate tough terms.

On the other hand, pragmatic Bavaria, home to many of Germany's big exporters, saying a decent trade deal must be done

[Silver_Shiney]

The climate has been changing as it has been for thousands of years. It's cooler now than it was a few hundred years ago when they grew grapes up north.

I did not realise you were so old Shiney?

Rats never look or act their age, Towny...

[qbman1]

They do when they get their head stuck in one of my traps !

[towny44]

I read over the weekend, or maybe today, that some scientists now attribute all global warming to El Nino's, and that now the last peak has gone next year will see a major fall in world temps. I look forward to seeing that proved correct.

[Stephen]

I read over the weekend, or maybe today, that some scientists now attribute all global warming to El Nino's, and that now the last peak has gone next year will see a major fall in world temps. I look forward to seeing that proved correct.

I think it's started early going by the current outside temp (5.1deg) and falling fast. Time to get the woolly vest out me thinks.

[qbman1]

Not sure it will help your chances with Louise it you pitch up in a woolly vest !

[Stephen]

The height of fashion old chap.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Not sure it will help your chances with Louise it you pitch up in a woolly vest !

I'm not entirely sure Stephen's chances with Louise were that great anyway. Just saying. .....

[Silver_Shiney]

The height of fashion old chap.

Sure you mean the height of old fashion??

[Stephen]

As long as I'm warm I couldn't care less