I for one would like to see this "indisputable evidence"Onelife wrote:The question as to what created the universe will, for the foreseeable future be pure conjecture, but for those of you who belive that it was something called "God" then l'm more than happy to go along with you...albiet for the sake of not coming up with a alternative word.
There is indisputable evidence that everything living today has done so through the evolutionary process, anyone who still believes their ancestral line started with Adam and Eve must imo be living in denial or/are the result of religious grooming.
A bit harsh maybe, but there is no doubt in my mind that all religions have derived from the need to control. It matters not which religion one belongs too, they all have one consistent message, one that revolves around fear and hope (The fear of the unknown and the hope of what could be) which when one thinks about it are the very tools that powerful people use to control others.... here endth the first lesson in life.
The simple fact is that there is none. The fossil record and DNA are merely two examples that are evidence AGAINST evolution.
We are all indoctrinated into believing that we evolved over gazillions of years, but these are faith statements. "The scientists who make these statements seem unable to tell the difference between origins science and operational science. The distinction between origins and operational science is that the latter deals with things that are repeatable and observable. You can test, and prove until the cows come home, that water will boil at 100 degrees Celcius. All of operational science is like this in principle, even if it gets a lot more complex than that.
Origins science takes what we can find out through operational science and tries to apply that to the past to explain what we see in the present. Criminal forensic science, tries to use the evidence to reconstruct a crime to figure out what happened, and who committed the crime. To a much larger degree, origins science tries to take what we know about biology, chemistry, and geology today, and extrapolate back to try to find out things about the earth’s past.
Origins science is trying to answer historical questions: how did we get here, what happened in the past to give us what we have today? Origins science is not completely invalid; open-minded geologists and cosmologists, for example, engage in a sort of origins science, for instance when hypothesises are made about certain conditions during the Flood that led to the dinosaur eggs, tracks, and bonebeds that we see today. The difference between evolutionary origins science and creationist origins science is that creationists realize the historical nature of the questions, and therefore turn to a historical text — ie Scripture — to inform them about what sort of big historical events may have caused what we see today. There is still debate among creationist scientists, for instance, about things like plate tectonics or about what stage of the Flood certain strata represent, but the Bible gives a historical ‘scaffold’ on which to hang theseideas.
It would be common for evolutionists to say that this dependence on the Bible to give us our historical framework for doing operational science biases Christians in a way that’s unacceptable for true scientists. But the evolutionary scientists have their own ‘scaffolding’ on which they hang their ideas. For instance, there are many different ideas about the relationships between various groups of animals and how they are related to each other, but all of them assume millions of years of evolution. Not even findings like DNA in a dinosaur leg bone, or the numerous living fossils , or the evidence that the genetic codes of multi-celled organisms are accumulating errors at an alarming rate which dooms them all (including us, except Jesus has promised to return first) to extinction—none of these findings make them question their ‘scaffold’; they can even absorb these into their ‘scaffold’.
So in other words, operational science is the stuff that requires lab coats and goggles; when you run an experiment and collect data. Origins science is when you try to apply those results to explain what happened in the past to explain what we see in the world today. And surprisingly to some, origins science is not limited to godless evolutionists; it’s something that creationists can do, informed by the historical record of Scripture, to the glory of our God and Creator." (Lita Costner)
Geologists, for example, are trained to believe that rock formations only come about through vast periods of time (something that Dark Knight disclaimed a while back when he said that his company makes rock and stone). They will that it takes thousands, if not millions of years to produce the rock formation of an island and have it "eroded" to to cliffs and sand. Yet Surtsey came into existence in 1963.
The following quote is from the official Icelandic geologist Sigurdur Thorarinsson (Sigurður Þórarinsson, 1912–1983) writing in 1964:
‘An Icelander who has studied geology and geomorphology at foreign universities is later taught by experience in his own homeland that the time scale he had been trained to attach to geological developments is misleading when assessments are made of the forces—constructive and destructive—which have molded and are still molding the face of Iceland. What elsewhere may take thousands of years may be accomplished here in one century. All the same he is amazed whenever he comes to Surtsey, because the same development may take a few weeks or even days here.
‘On Surtsey, only a few months sufficed for a landscape to be created which was so varied and mature that it was almost beyond belief. During the summer of 1964 and the following winter we not only had a lava dome with a glowing lava lake in a summit crater and red-hot lava flows rushing down the slopes, increasing the height of the dome and transforming the configuration of the island from one day to another. Here we could also see wide sandy beaches and precipitous crags lashed by the breakers of the sea. There were gravel banks and lagoons, impressive cliffs … There were hollows, glens and soft undulating land. There were fractures and faultscarps, channels and screes … You might come to a beach covered with flowing lava on its way to the sea with white balls of smoke rising high up in the air. Three weeks later you might come back to the same place and be literally confounded by what met your eye. Now, there were precipitous lava cliffs of considerable height, and below them you would see boulders worn by the surf, some of which were almost round, on an abrasion platform cut into the cliff, and further out there was a sandy beach where you could walk at low tide without getting wet.’
In a later, more popular account in National Geographic, Sigurdur Thorarinsson3 wrote:
‘ … in one week’s time we witness changes that elsewhere might take decades or even centuries … Despite the extreme youth of the growing island, we now encounter a landscape so varied that it is almost beyond belief.’
So we know that it does not take vast eons of time for landscapes to form. This is known through observation, not assumption.
Selective breeding can produce a new breed of animal or plant over a relatively short period of time. This is known through observation, not assumption. It is known that a fish cannot change into a bird or anything else - through observation - yet it is still taught that land creatures first came from the sea.
Under ideal conditions, DNA will decay to uselessness after a few hundred years, yet useable DNA and soft tissue has been extracted from the remains of dinosaurs, which are held to have become extinct millions of years ago. And as for the complexity of DNA -it takes more faith than I will ever have to believe that it came about by random chance.
I, too, used to believe in evolution until I went, out of interest, to a talk a few years ago and realised that I'd been fed a lie all my life.
Don't believe everything that Darwin, Dawkins and Attenborough tell you. But if you want to believe in "goo to you via the zoo", that's your right.
