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[Mervyn and Trish]

Because I don't have very right wing views Towny! I'm a classic floating voter who has voted for every major party at some point in the past 20 years. Though never for the SNP! And despite the unbiased view of the Daily Wail the BBC isn't full of lefties. I was there when Alastair Campbell attacked us for right wing bias!

[qbman1]

Wow Mervyn!!!
Not bad for 9.00 on a Friday morning.
I agree!!

Yes that post was well elucidated and I agree with everything he said.

There is one thing which does puzzle me though, with his very right wing views and his dislike of the liberal elite, how on earth did he ever get a job at the BBC?

Not there now, though, is he ?!

[Mervyn and Trish]

Too good for them Cubie

[Jack Staff]

Let's not celebrate our agreement. Jack will be along with the facts shortly!

I am glad you realise that the facts spoil your fun.

[Jack Staff]

Jack, if the PM was irresponsible enough to ignore the democratic decision and allow a re-run, and that referendum also voted for Brexit by the same majority, would you be demanding a third vote?

No.
I was not even in favour of the vote on the 23rd.

[Silver_Shiney]

Let's not celebrate our agreement. Jack will be along with the facts shortly!

I am glad you realise that the facts spoil your fun.

Well, that was a waste of good sarcasm, Merv!!

[Silver_Shiney]

Jack, if the PM was irresponsible enough to ignore the democratic decision and allow a re-run, and that referendum also voted for Brexit by the same majority, would you be demanding a third vote?

No.
I was not even in favour of the vote on the 23rd.

Whether you were in favour of the first vote or not is, frankly, irrelevant now, as it happened and the majority has spoken. Thankfully, the prime minister, who wanted to remain, is respecting the democratic decision and is arranging for us to regain our sovereignty.

[Jack Staff]

And Jack should the Labour party ever win a General Election (an unlikely concept in the near future I know) by taking over a million more of the total vote than the other parties, will they dismiss that as "a few votes" and immediately call a new election to check the result?

You are confusing a plebiscite (extreme PR, if you like) with first past the post.

And it was only you Jack talking about Tory lies. I was widening the conversation to include Labour lies. Is that not permitted?

Seems to me the current output of the Labour party (with a few notable exceptions) is all lies. So a bit pointless really.

[Jack Staff]

We were talking about Tory lies, one of which was to trigger A50 on 24th June.

The day after the Brexit vote? Really? It was Corbyn who insisted Article 50 should be invoked on June 24th. Some people make it up as they go along.
Personally I wish Article 50 had been invoked earlier. For me, the sooner we can enter negotiations the better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW1zZ4EufkE

[Jack Staff]

On the current debate about Scottish independence I think Theresa May is talking sense and Mrs Krankie her usual nonsense.

Of course for Krankie and many other Scots they need no logic. They hate the English and Brexit is just the excuse for a rerun.

But it would be bonkers for the Scots to be asked to vote before the outcome of the Brexit negotiations is known. We might get a rubbish deal and they may want to consider a different future. But we might get a decent deal which they'd prefer to the uncertainty of going it alone.

It is even conceivable that along the way something will happen and we won't leave at all. In which case wouldn't Krankie look silly if she'd taken Scotland out of the UK and possibly out of the EU too unnecessarily?

And even if we get the worst possible deal and Scotland managed to stay in as an independent country, which is a long way from certain, how would the economics look?

Currently two thirds of Scotland's exports go to the rest of the UK. That's more than 4 times their trade with the rest of the EU. And more than 5 times their trade with the rest of the world. So are they better off with free trade with the UK or free trade with the EU? Because if we fail to get a decent deal with the EU they wouldn't be allowed to do their own deal with the rest of the UK.

Not that economics is Krankie's strong suit. Remember the SNP promised a prosperous future based on oil. Then the price collapsed. If they had won last time they'd be bust now. And of course out of the UK they would lose their subsidy from the hateful English.

The only argument for a quick vote would be that hatred which Krankie cannot voice. What she is afraid of is that if the vote is delayed we might get a decent EU deal and for all her bluster about respecting the will of the people she doesn't want to let them see the real choice.

Finally let's not forget Krankie represents less than 50% of the Scots population who are themselves less than 10% of the UK. So she represents less than 5%. That's a very small tail demanding to wave a very large dog.

Every argument for or against Scotland independence can be used re UK 'independence' from EU.
Every time you say they will be cutting themselves off from their biggest market. Every time you talk of the small population demanding to wave a very large dog...

[Jack Staff]

If Scotland gained independence, any application for EU membership must be agreed by all member states. If granted, the Basque and Catalonia regions would then demand independence. Do you think Spain would grant them that? Spain, for one, would not accept Scotland's application.

And Spain has a lot to say about Gibraltar. Politics....

[Jack Staff]

And one against is all they need

Same for our Brexit deal.

[oldbluefox]

We were talking about Tory lies, one of which was to trigger A50 on 24th June.

The day after the Brexit vote? Really? It was Corbyn who insisted Article 50 should be invoked on June 24th. Some people make it up as they go along.
Personally I wish Article 50 had been invoked earlier. For me, the sooner we can enter negotiations the better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW1zZ4EufkE

If I were you I would look at that again, my friend. It is not what you are representing at all, merely your interpretation. I think Cameron's "If that is what we have to do................." seems to have been omitted from your thinking.

[Jack Staff]

Jack, if the PM was irresponsible enough to ignore the democratic decision and allow a re-run, and that referendum also voted for Brexit by the same majority, would you be demanding a third vote?

No.
I was not even in favour of the vote on the 23rd.

Whether you were in favour of the first vote or not is, frankly, irrelevant now, as it happened and the majority has spoken. Thankfully, the prime minister, who wanted to remain, is respecting the democratic decision and is arranging for us to regain our sovereignty.

The government states: “The sovereignty of Parliament is a fundamental principle of the UK constitution. Whilst Parliament has remained sovereign throughout our membership of the EU, it has not always felt like that.”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 59556.html

[Jack Staff]

We were talking about Tory lies, one of which was to trigger A50 on 24th June.

The day after the Brexit vote? Really? It was Corbyn who insisted Article 50 should be invoked on June 24th. Some people make it up as they go along.
Personally I wish Article 50 had been invoked earlier. For me, the sooner we can enter negotiations the better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW1zZ4EufkE

If I were you I would look at that again, my friend. It is not what you are representing at all, merely your interpretation. I think Cameron's "If that is what we have to do................." seems to have been omitted from your thinking.

I'm just trying to keep up with you guys. Yes I should of spent more time on that one. But hey, I have other things to do.
Maybe I'll check back here later as I seem to have commented on most of the replies now. BCNU!

[Stephen]

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[AileenB]

Please can we put an end to the misconception that the Scots who misguidedly follow Sturgeon, Salmond and the like "hate the English"? They hate the Tories.

[towny44]

Every argument for or against Scotland independence can be used re UK 'independence' from EU.
Every time you say they will be cutting themselves off from their biggest market. Every time you talk of the small population demanding to wave a very large dog...

Quite right Jack, but at least our dog does stand a good chance of continuing to bark after Brexit, whereas Nicola's would be left whimpering in the corner after Scotsit.

[qbman1]

Didn't you miss an "H" out of that last word ?

[Silver_Shiney]

Schotsit? Scothsit? Scotsith?

Sorry, don't get it

[Mervyn and Trish]

Every argument for or against Scotland independence can be used re UK 'independence' from EU.
Every time you say they will be cutting themselves off from their biggest market. Every time you talk of the small population demanding to wave a very large dog...

Quite right Jack, but at least our dog does stand a good chance of continuing to bark after Brexit, whereas Nicola's would be left whimpering in the corner after Scotsit.

And we're not trying to wag the dog. We're leaving it. And if someone vetoes a deal we're gone anyway. Very very different from the Scottish deal. And yes I accept that it is probably the Tories rather than the English that some Scots hate. But will Krankie shut up if Labour return to power in the UK? Though she may be a pensioner by then.

[oldbluefox]

Hi Aileen
Try telling that to that lot in the Scottish Parliament. I think they're fired up with Iron Bru and Braveheart and are ready to wipe out any Englishman in sight. There are bones piled up in the corridors of power!! It was only the fact I put on a few "See yous" interspersed with "Och ayes" that I managed to escape intact.
In all seriousness there was an old chap up there in the public gallery who was harping on about James and Culloden. We got a full history lesson (he didn't realise we were from over the border) and was similarly fired up.
Thankfully we didn't experience any more vitriol once away from the place. I'm afraid Krankie does you no favours.

[Stephen]

Hi Aileen
Try telling that to that lot in the Scottish Parliament. I think they're fired up with Iron Bru and Braveheart and are ready to wipe out any Englishman in sight. There are bones piled up in the corridors of power!! It was only the fact I put on a few "See yous" interspersed with "Och ayes" that I managed to escape intact.
In all seriousness there was an old chap up there in the public gallery who was harping on about James and Culloden. We got a full history lesson (he didn't realise we were from over the border) and was similarly fired up.
Thankfully we didn't experience any more vitriol once away from the place. I'm afraid Krankie does you no favours.

You ventured North Foxy . and got out in one peice. Lucky lucky man.

[Happydays]

I have voted on a petition "Another Scottish independence referendum should not be allowed to happen" the signatures on it at moment is 176,456.
It goes on to say "We in Scotland are fed up of persecution by the SNP leader who is solely intent on getting independence at any cost. As a result, Scotland is suffering hugely. I know of many people who have voted on this petition... have a look!

[oldbluefox]

You ventured North Foxy . and got out in one peice. Lucky lucky man.

It looked empty so I just popped in. I thought Rab C Nesbitt was a fictional character.
Goes to look for tin hat and takes cover