Current Affairs

[barney]

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Are you ever going to give this a rest.

It's over!

All that now remains is the terms of exit and any future relationship.

Gibraltar is the first shot across the bows to let everyone in the EU know their negotiating stance.
They are playing to their own audience, as is our Prime Minister.

At the end of the day, a compromise deal may be reached, equally it may not.
It's likely in both sides interest to reach a deal.

The point that you are overlooking my friend is that people voted for change.
Nobody who voted for change expects there to be NO change.
That's the whole blooming point of the referendum.
Stay in or leave the EU !!!!

Please feel free, after March 2019 to start a 'let's join the EU' campaign.

But .... in the words of Elsa in frozen, let it go, let it go.

[Jack Staff]

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Are you ever going to give this a rest.

No, even if it takes 41 years.

It's over!

I hear no rotund female making use of sustained tonality, rhythm, and a variety of vocal techniques.

All that now remains is the terms of exit and any future relationship.

Lots more to come yet.

Gibraltar is the first shot across the bows to let everyone in the EU know their negotiating stance.
They are playing to their own audience, as is our Prime Minister.

They have let us know the next two years are not going to be easy.

At the end of the day, a compromise deal may be reached, equally it may not.
It's likely in both sides interest to reach a deal.

There will be no compromise deal. May is determind to blame the EU for her and her governments failure.

The point that you are overlooking my friend is that people voted for change.
Nobody who voted for change expects there to be NO change.

That's what general elections are for.

That's the whole blooming point of the referendum.
Stay in or leave the EU !!!!

The point of the referendum was to placate a part of the Conservative party. The architect of the referendum resigned, though falling on his sword would have been better.

Please feel free, after March 2019 to start a 'let's join the EU' campaign.

It will be before then. Article 49 by the way.

But .... in the words of Elsa in frozen, let it go, let it go.

ARGGGGHHHHHH NO! Earworm ARGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

[oldbluefox]

The crux of the matter is nothing you have said (and you actually say very little in actual support of Remain) makes me think I may have made a mistake in voting to Leave. In fact the more the Remainders scrabble about looking for excuses for the EU, spreading their lies and exaggerations the more convinced I am that the sooner we leave the EU the better. In five years time there may well not be an EU anyway , just a trading bloc which it was first intended to be, and which it should still be.
Stepping out now as I have better things to do with my time.

[Jack Staff]

The crux of the matter is nothing you have said (and you actually say very little in actual support of Remain) makes me think I may have made a mistake in voting to Leave. In fact the more the Remainders scrabble about looking for excuses for the EU, spreading their lies and exaggerations the more convinced I am that the sooner we leave the EU the better. In five years time there may well not be an EU anyway , just a trading bloc which it was first intended to be, and which it should still be.
Stepping out now as I have better things to do with my time.

Unfortunately what you say is actually the real crux of the matter and I have to say I am in full agreement (excepting the obvious).
No Brexiter has ever made me think I made a mistake in voting to remain and you guys have given me nothing that I can say 'Yeah, that's right, I've been wrong all along'.
The real problem, as I see it, is that neither of us can see the other side.
We have managed to break this country, pretty much down the middle, with both sides now becoming more entrenched.
Remain is not going away. No matter how many times we are told 'You lost, get over it' 'Suck it up'.
The only way to solve it would be a compromise, something we are both unhappy with. I can not see that happening currently, as May has pretty much nailed her colours to the mast and going full tilt Brexit, not even compromising on the break up of the United Kingdom. I know a few Quitlings who see this as their favoured option (sorry, but I see other Brexiters too. I hope you realised this was an open relationship! ).
But I still have faith in democracy and wasn't that one of the main pillars of the vote?
So we will end up where we get to with the politicians we elect over the coming years.
It will be up to them to repair this situation and come up with that compromise. Obviously I hope that you will be more disappointed than me, but we will just have to wait and see.

[oldbluefox]

I think we have some areas of agreement Jack. We are just coming at the issues from different and opposing directions. The only area I would disagree with you is your comment "The real problem, as I see it, is that neither of us can see the other side". I have experienced the EU for the past 40 years and know what the status quo is and I don't like it but apart from that you, and I, are correct. There will have to be give and take and there will be compromises to be made. We wait and see.

[screwy]

Well you 2, that was quite civalised......Can we please have an end to this now, it is what it is....

[Mervyn and Trish]

Yes please Screwy. I'm with you. And I will be offering no further comment on Brexit on this thread. That doesn't mean I agree with Jack by the way. Please don't take no comment as an endorsement. I just have better things to do and am happy to let the politicians get on with it. So now back to decorating the kitchen and the holiday brochures.

[oldbluefox]

So now back to decorating the kitchen..........

I'd rather talk Brexit!!!

[Onelife]

I'm not sure when these compromises are supposed to kick in but to my mind they are best put on the back burner until such time that the EU get it in their heads that a hard Brexit is a real possibility. At the moment most of the member states want to punish us and that ain't no platform on which to make compromises.

[towny44]

Yes please Screwy. I'm with you. And I will be offering no further comment on Brexit on this thread. That doesn't mean I agree with Jack by the way. Please don't take no comment as an endorsement. I just have better things to do and am happy to let the politicians get on with it. So now back to decorating the kitchen and the holiday brochures.

Why and how are you decorating your holiday brochures?

[Mervyn and Trish]

Yes please Screwy. I'm with you. And I will be offering no further comment on Brexit on this thread. That doesn't mean I agree with Jack by the way. Please don't take no comment as an endorsement. I just have better things to do and am happy to let the politicians get on with it. So now back to decorating the kitchen and the holiday brochures.

Why and how are you decorating your holiday brochures?

I'm colouring them in

[qbman1]

Joining the dots is all the rage now !

[Mervyn and Trish]

There was a book of them in the paper at the weekend. Supposed to be a stress buster! Pah! Threw the bloody thing in the bin in the end and had a large whisky instead.

[qbman1]

I haven't even got to grips with the adult colouring books yet. What a load of tosh. Who has nothing better to do ?!

[Mervyn and Trish]

Judging by the time you spend on here. Just saying..................

[qbman1]

But I'm paid for that !!

[oldbluefox]

I'm colouring them in

Therein lies madness................... just saying as Mob just says.

[Silver_Shiney]

We have all benefited greatly from the E.U., but I live in an area that has had little investment. The wealth is spread in areas like Cornwall and Wales that really need it, but these areas voted mainly to leave . I am well away from the big cities, thank you.

But we have not greatly benefited from the EU otherwise the country would have voted to remain. There are vast swathes of the country which have suffered lack of investment - poor road infrastructure, lack of rail investment, public transport non existent, hospitals lacking up to date equipment, lost manufacturing opportunities, etc, etc. The list is endless. Compare the situation here with that of our European neighbours and, considering we are net contributors to the EU coffers we are light years behind. This is the legacy of 40 years of EU 'investment'.
I maintain that only those who have a vested interest in the EU, who gain personally from our involvement, or who live in a major city which has received investment will feel any commitment towards remaining in the EU. I see no reason to remain part of a club which is broken and provides a gravy train for failed MPs and bureaucrats.
You mention Wales. I expressed surprise that Wales had voted to leave to a Welsh friend of mine. As in England he said all the investment had been given to Cardiff whilst other parts of Wales received little or nothing. He was not at all surprised the vote had gone as it had.

Just about all of your points are the responsibility of our government. It is them who have failed our country.
I have no vested interest in the EU, except I see it as the future for myself,my family and my country. We all gain from our involvement. I do not live in a major city, or even near one and you know I feel a commitment towards remaining in the EU.
Any large organisation has problems, but the EU is hardly broken. Have you already forgotten the 'gravy train' of MPs expenses?

I have certainly heard of the gravy train of MPs' expenses and find it reprehensible. However, post-Brexit we will only get shafted by our own MPs,not by those from other countries as well

[Onelife]

Agree Mr Shiney...l think l read that they get over £300 a day in subsistence money.... disgusting use of tax payers money.

[Silver_Shiney]

Agree Mr Shiney...l think l read that they get over £300 a day in subsistence money.... disgusting use of tax payers money.

Kindred spirits in agreement, eh, boss!!

[oldbluefox]

Whilst we're on the subject of expenses it's about time we sorted out those in the Lords who claim expenses and do nothing for them. They could do with a good pruning as well as my hydrangeas.

[qbman1]

You need to borrow Keefy's new hedge trimmer

[oldbluefox]

If he gets the extended reach one I'll be able to do it sat in my conservatory.

[Onelife]

Agree Mr Shiney...l think l read that they get over £300 a day in subsistence money.... disgusting use of tax payers money.

Kindred spirits in agreement, eh, boss!!

If you were to pay me £300 a day l would swear that you were my long lost Brother

[Mervyn and Trish]

Hi Bruv

Now send the cheque