I don't understand all this socialist triumphalism. OK, Labour did better than expected but, at the end of the day, Jezzer lost - and marginally less badly than Mrs Krankie, Shrek and Cleggy. The Conservatives are still in power so why all the whooping and hollering?!
Nobody has told them yet that they have lost!!!
There is an irony that Mrs Krankie is calling for Mrs May to resign. Since her own results were even worse should the Scottish windbag not also be resigning?
I think Theresa May is on a hiding to nothing whatever she dose from this point on and it can only be a matter of time before she is forced to move house.
As for our Brexit dealings, we might just as well get used to the fact that we won't be getting anything like what the majority of the UK voted for.....a very watered down version at best.
In a nutshell Brexit is dead in the water... as are the conservative party who will come under ever increasing amounts of pressure to call another election....Oh! and my last prediction will be that Jezza and Abbots love child Laura Kuenssburg will get the job of labours spokesperson.
So there you have it..... fairy tales can come true.
I do hope you are wrong OL but I fear that there will now be a continuous clamour for a re-think on the single market, which might be good for trade, but carries with it a lot of the baggage I that want rid of, like free movement of labour and subservience to the European court of justice, major limitations on ROW trade as well as the stupid common agricultural policy.
This would result in a very watered down Brexit which will not be much better than the deal Cameron was originally offered.
I don't understand all this socialist triumphalism. OK, Labour did better than expected but, at the end of the day, Jezzer lost - and marginally less badly than Mrs Krankie, Shrek and Cleggy. The Conservatives are still in power so why all the whooping and hollering?!
The problem is that May has been badly wounded and is now considered such a lame duck PM that it will be just about impossible for her to function at her best as she will be under continuous attack from the opposition parties and the BBC's chief big game hunter, Laura Kuenssberg.
No doubt the Tories snatched defeat from the jaws of victory and it was their disastrous manifesto that was largely to blame.
The UK is still largely broke and can't afford to do much of the things we'd like it to. But the Tory manifesto made the mistake of being honest about that! Jezzer's unaffordable bribes looked much more attractive to many. Fortunately for him he doesn't have to deliver them. Then we'd see the broken promises.
I wonder how these things are affected by the current attitude to personal debt?
In the past people were used to paying for what they bought or at the most having a hire purchase agreement with a defined end date.
But now we all have credit cards. I pay mine off every month and merely use it for convenience, on-line purchases and smoothing cashflow through that month. But many people are quite relaxed about carrying thousands of pounds of debt on their cards, often equivalent to many months or even years of income.
And these latest car deals where you can get a top of the range BMW for a deceptively modest monthly payment are popular too. Doesn't occur to them that they'll never actually own the car, unless they stump up the large single payment at the end of the deal.
Let's not pretend that if Jezzer abolished student tuition fees they'd all come out of university in the black. No chance.
So maybe they're equally not conscious about the dangers of government debt.
Greece is simply a holiday destination. Not a warning of what happens when governments go on spending money they don't have.
No doubt the Tories snatched defeat from the jaws of victory and it was their disastrous manifesto that was largely to blame.
The UK is still largely broke and can't afford to do much of the things we'd like it to. But the Tory manifesto made the mistake of being honest about that! Jezzer's unaffordable bribes looked much more attractive to many. Fortunately for him he doesn't have to deliver them. Then we'd see the broken promises.
I wonder how these things are affected by the current attitude to personal debt?
In the past people were used to paying for what they bought or at the most having a hire purchase agreement with a defined end date.
But now we all have credit cards. I pay mine off every month and merely use it for convenience, on-line purchases and smoothing cashflow through that month. But many people are quite relaxed about carrying thousands of pounds of debt on their cards, often equivalent to many months or even years of income.
And these latest car deals where you can get a top of the range BMW for a deceptively modest monthly payment are popular too. Doesn't occur to them that they'll never actually own the car, unless they stump up the large single payment at the end of the deal.
Let's not pretend that if Jezzer abolished student tuition fees they'd all come out of university in the black. No chance.
So maybe they're equally not conscious about the dangers of government debt.
Greece is simply a holiday destination. Not a warning of what happens when governments go on spending money they don't have.
Merv, you are applying far too much common sense to the average Labour voter, sorry man, i mean person in the street.
It was interesting on the news last night (cannot remember which channel) where they were interviewing several students, all of whom had voted Labour. When asked why they trotted out all the "best buys" that Labour were offering, totally oblivious to the fact that if labour had won then their grandchildren would be the ones paying for all of these policies.
I also wondered whether in a few years time when they had gained their degrees, had a [good] job, home and family if they would still have the same set of views.
And now we have a petition protesting about Theresa May forming a government!
Do they not get it? This is called democracy. We all had a vote. (If anyone didn't use it tough - but don't stay home and then sign petitions after!)
The Conservatives won it. They got more seats than anyone else. And more votes. In fact more votes than they got last time.
So they get to form the government. On their own or with support from other parties. That's how our system works.
If they fail Jezzer gets a go.
But stop kidding yourself Labour. You did better than expected, but you lost. And the only way you could form a government would be with the support of the SNP, who lost spectacularly. In fact only UKIP and Lord Buckethead did worse!
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What concerns me now is that I can see no way that the Conservatives will win the next GE, unless they can hang on until the Brexit negotiations are complete, and that they get a very good deal. Neither scenario seems likely at present.
But of even more concern is that following Jezzers performance in this GE, I fully expect him to be the Labour leader at the next one, which will be the most frightening political nightmare I have ever lived through.
At least the 2 buffoons who she surrounded herself with have finally and quite rightly fallen on the sword.
I personally did not think she was/is a good leader nor did i believe she was a good Home Sec. She is now going to have to do a lot of grovelling to senior Tories and become more open with them when discussing future policies, i really dont get this 'Advisor ' stuff.
I agree Towny that unless she can turn things around and quickly, the prospect of a Corbyn led Labour Govt isnt very appetising.
The election was May's to lose and, while she may have 'won', she really lost it big time.
I may despise the man, but Corbyn ran a good election campaign. I am sure he is currently counting his lucky stars that he did not win otherwise he would have had to shake that magic money tree really hard to fund all the promises he made (as he ran around the country telling everyone they could have whatever they asked for).
The bottom line is that the UK electorate have given the EU the upper hand in any brexit negotiations with the EU holding all the ace's. The real irony is that it is those that chose to give the establishment a two fingered gesture that will be the most liked to be adversely affected by this (i.e. younger voters and those on lower incomes).
The election was May's to lose and, while she may have 'won', she really lost it big time.
I may despise the man, but Corbyn ran a good election campaign. I am sure he is currently counting his lucky stars that he did not win otherwise he would have had to shake that magic money tree really hard to fund all the promises he made (as he ran around the country telling everyone they could have whatever they asked for).
The bottom line is that the UK electorate have given the EU the upper hand in any brexit negotiations with the EU holding all the ace's. The real irony is that it is those that chose to give the establishment a two fingered gesture that will be the most liked to be adversely affected by this (i.e. younger voters and those on lower incomes).
A very true comment Ken it reminds me of one that an old work colleague said his Dad used to quote, who was a died in the wool Labour supporter "under Labour the wealth of the country is more fairly distributed, but under a Conservative Govt. every one is better off", and his Dad could remember back to the first Labour administration. As you say it is always the lowest income groups who suffer most when the economy stutters, which it does far more under Labour.
I have just read a comment on a friends Facebook page that I agree with so much that I just had to copy & paste it here:-
An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Corbyn's vision of socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.
The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Corbyn's ideological plan”. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A…. (substituting grades for £ 's )something closer to home and more readily understood by all).
After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.
The second test average was a D! No one was happy.
When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.
As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.
To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.
It could not be any simpler than that.
There are five morals to this story:
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.
Foxy, that's brilliant. If only the young Corbyn voters could read that, and what's more important understand that it is what would happen under a Corbyn government. I still can't understand how Corbyn says he should be allowed to form a government - how?? I suppose that if he says he really won often enough people will start to believe him.
So now Jezzer and his cronies are talking about "voting down" the Queen's Speech.
When will they realise that it is not "all about them" but that they are actually being paid £74k a year to run the country. If they were children they would all be sent to the naughty step
So now Jezzer and his cronies are talking about "voting down" the Queen's Speech.
When will they realise that it is not "all about them" but that they are actually being paid £74k a year to run the country. If they were children they would all be sent to the naughty step
Dont know about the naughty step. I would have been put over the knee and had my a*se slapped.
Saying that, Corbyn has a face i could put my fist through.....not that i condone violence..
The only good thing to out of the results are that the three SNP MP's that I absolutely detest lost their seats... Angus Robertson,Our local MP Tasina (UGH!!) and of course the best was Alex Salmond. It shall keep the other nutters quite about a second referendum for a little while until they get a spin on it.
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