Transport poverty

[gfwgfw]

somebody please show me TRUE poverty in the UK and I will happily retract anything I have posted and ask Admin to remove it
a council house filled with kids filled by a feckless mother who is getting lots more benefits, that working people earn. for doing nothing is repugnant and morally corrupt and to have the gall to say it is because I red the Sun , just shows how feeble peoples arguments are
her family is now on a second generation of scoungers and wastrels, so don't pretend it is a public service when she is clearly fleecing the system and to try to justify her having or part owning a horse is pathetic

show mw real poverty and not just bleedin heart liberal sentiment and I will plat fog, it just does not exist and not one of you can show it does, so rather than insult me try to prove your counter argument and when you cannot you can pm me to apolgise

Dear Mr DN

Be assured we know you to be as pure as the riven snow, you lucky so and so tuck away in your palatial Derby mansion

You make me feel a tad uncomfortable 'cus I shall soon be entitled to a 25p per week increase in my state pension less tax

Lubooo lots

Graham

[Mervyn and Trish]

Wow. How are you going to invest that? Or will you just blow it on another cruise?

[Dark Knight]

gfw
i do not have palatial home, nor am I what you could class as wealthy, but I have worked and studied for 30 years to achieve where I am now and I will dammed if I will feel guilty for it, when I see people fleecing the system and I am not going to agree with bleeding hearts who thing this type of system is either right or fair as it is plainly not

benefits shouls be a saftey net, not a lifestyle choice for wasters

and if that makes anyone uncomfortable, then tough, coz if theses people moved in next door to you, you would soon be making waves about their affluence

Spend you 25p wisely gfw

[gfwgfw]

May be the OP was a tad over zealous using the word "poverty" may be "hardship" would be more apt

Again I reiterate

The main fault in my opinion is the ongoing policy of several decades of mis guided politians added and abbetted by their bedmates Bankers and associates

Even the major superstores are bleeding their customers together with the utility mega d**k Turpins if you get my drift

Rabbit pie (wild) and freshly soursed triple vegies tonight - a super feast rural Darzet style- for less than 50p - Howzat me dears

[gfwgfw]

Mr DN

Mainly the entitlement to add the infortunate, hard as it is for you to except

Is their legal right under the current guide lines laid down by legistration - sadly mis guided perhaps and perhaps completey out of superintendence

Again, reteratating I find you rather unfortunate way with words slightly unwarranted

I wish you well . . . and I still

Lubooo

Graham

[Manoverboard]

... But that doesn't mean that the concept of relative poverty isn't the correct one to be looking at.

I agree that it has to relate to something and that something to me is the lowest standard possible. Thereafter an incentive for extra allowance and/or benefit should be available but be earned through contributing to society rather than taking from it.

What is important in any society is the fact that we all feel connected to it. Rule of law, general standards of decency and behaviour, even acceptance of the need to go to war, all depend on us feeling part of a whole. If the gap between any one group emerges, either higher or lower up the income scale, then that's generally bad news for the rest of us ...

Connection is about contributing, see above.

It is simply not an option to drop out and leave it to everybody else ... unless ... you want nothing in return bar real hardship.

ps .... and NO rabbit Pie

[oldbluefox]

Benefit should be a safety net, not a lifestyle choice.

Maybe we should make political parties aware of this. It is immoral that anybody can get more from staying at home doing nothing than working.

[Dark Knight]

and once again I reiterate that I do not apologise for my views, however left field they may be

perhaps if more people were honest about this in governement and real life, something might be done to curtail the lifestyle choice of wasters
Middle England needs to grow a pair and stand up against, what is an obviously flawed system and weighted in favour of the feckless who neither work nor intend to work

[gfwgfw]

Wow. How are you going to invest that? Or will you just blow it on another cruise?

You may recall we did not take our annual cruise this year

We decided it far better to help finance our beautiful Grandaughters first year at university

Made good use of our friendly bus pass and senior rail card, hitting the flesh spots of the South

Different yes, but we did have fun

Kindly

Graham

[gfwgfw]

DN my best friend

Just last evening

I spoilt the much beloved by taking her to the beautifully restored Art Deco Tivoli Theatre in the equally beautiful Minster town of Wimborne

We enjoyed very much the movie Les Mis shown on our newly installed Digital state of the art projector upon again state of the art new screen

Methinks, the time has come for an revolution to rid our beautiful Islands of the no gooders who add and abet the sados of all persuations

Just like the theme in Les Mis

I seem to remember many years since there was a civil skimish not too far from your afflurent enclave in Derbyshire


It has a ring to it

Dark Oliver Cromwell Nighty

What am I doing rambling on like an old **** - for give me it is medication time

Still

Lubboo

Graham

[Dark Knight]

gfw
I am only advocating a fair system, where those in most need get fair benefits for a fixed perios while they get back to working
not giving skivers and wasters a lifestyle option where they never need to work or contribute to society


i am not advocating a civil war

[paultheeagle]

There are people in this country who have to rely on food banks so they can feed their family....There are children going to school hungry because parents cannot afford to give them breakfast. Hundreds of families living in over crowded B&B bedrooms because there is a shortage of housing...People go cold because they cannot afford to turn on their heating.

There are 3.6 million children living in poverty in this country today. That's 27% of all children.

Work does not provide a guaranteed route out of poverty in the UK. Almost two-thirds (62 per cent) of children growing up in poverty live in a household where at least one member works.

http://www.cpag.org.uk/child-poverty-fa ... e3_hnylx6z

Oxfam are alive and kicking and active today........ in the UK.

And yet some prefer to pretend that poverty in the UK does not exist.

You do not have to be living in a cardboard box or down a drain pipe or scrambling about on a rubbish tip to be living in poverty.

And in this country it's getting worse.

[Dark Knight]

PTE

I whole heartedly disagrree, there is no poverty in the uk on the scale of the privation in India, China, South America etc
our measure of poverty would make indian families and chinese families drool with envy and they would swap places in a heart beat

[Manoverboard]

Same applies to Romania and Bulgaria ... real poverty and especially so in the gypsy enclaves.

Indeed this is the very reason we are trying to stop them all coming to the UK in 2014, the more they have out of the welfare pot the less there will be for established citizens of this Country.

[oldbluefox]

Many of the causes of poverty in this country are not due to a lack of money but a mismanagement of money. It is little wonder that children go hungry, that rooms are cold, that families are in debt when their parents spend their money on alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, Sky television, takeaway meals, lottery cards etc etc.
As one who worked for 20 years in a socially deprived area I have witnessed it at first hand. It doesn't matter how much money you give them it will never be enough until somebody breaks the cycle of fecklessness. What is equally depressing is that the cycle continues through their children and then their children. Some families have never worked because they know how to avoid it.
I agree, compared to other countries there is no poverty in UK.

[Silver_Shiney]

I would dare to suggest that we may be talking at cross-purposes.

Yes, tragically there are individuals and families who, through absolutely no fault of their own, have fallen on hard times and need all the help they can get.

There IS poverty in this country - but nothing like on the scale seen in places like India, Africa, South America, Romania etc

The people I am uptight with (and, I suspect, DK is too - apologies if that's wrong) are the workshy, who believe that the State owes them. I'm fed up seeing the "poor" being interviewed on TV bleating about how hard things are - when they've got a pint in one hand, a packet of fags in the other and a large flat-screen in their lounge. There simply has to be something wrong with a welfare system that lets a feckless female say she can use her benefits payments to pay for breast enlargement, because it's "her money" and she can "do whatever she likes with it".

[Dark Knight]

SS
very eloquently put and my point as well, people seem too PC to tell it as it is and that's where the rot starts

[gfwgfw]

Still the best country to live in by far in my opinion

I have no real problem, in helping the underprivileged both UK/Worldwide

Lubooo all

[oldbluefox]

Shiney sums the situation up precisely. I don't think anybody objects to helping the genuinely underprivileged. Being taken for a ride is a different matter altogether.

My wife once took some perfectly good clothes to a homeless charity. They were not accepted because they weren't labelled designer clothes. The attitude was 'just because they are homeless doesn't mean they shouldn't have decent clothes'. They were the last donations of any kind they received. If you can turn down good clothes because they are not the right make you are not poor.

[Quizzical Bob]

Hello My Darlings

The fact is it is a housing association that is building this house for the large family and then renting it out to the woman...Not a penny of tax payers money is being used. When this family have finished with the house and the children have all left home, then the housing association will rent it out to another large family.

So all those that are so quick to condemn what would you do to house this family...Maybe the mother has been reckless and should be put in a chastity belt or burnt at the stake but what is the alternative. Do we depive these children, who have done nothing wrong remember of family life just because their mother cannot keep her knickers on or do we house them.

To split the family up and foster the children out or put them in children's homes would cost the tax payer a great deal more money than keeping them all under one roof.

We have this thing called a welfare state to help the more vulnerable in our society and yes there are a few that abuse that privalege but the vast majority don't.....Believe it or not they don't just give you benefits you have to apply, fill in a form and some middle class suit will agree that someone can have that benefit. Contrary to popular belief they ain't handed out will nilly.

As I say we have created the welfare state, we cannot now just pull the rug from under peoples feet because the politicians have got it wrong.....Not like what this government are doing because all that will happen is that you will put more and more innocent people into poverty.

The woman is on benefits so the rent is definitely coming from the taxpayer.

[Silver_Shiney]

Shiney sums the situation up precisely. I don't think anybody objects to helping the genuinely underprivileged. Being taken for a ride is a different matter altogether.

My wife once took some perfectly good clothes to a homeless charity. They were not accepted because they weren't labelled designer clothes. The attitude was 'just because they are homeless doesn't mean they shouldn't have decent clothes'. They were the last donations of any kind they received. If you can turn down good clothes because they are not the right make you are not poor.

The charity shop I used to manage had one proviso regarding clothing, and one proviso only - is it in good condition?. If it was (ie no rips, tears, stains etc) it was put out for sale. If it was grubby but otherwise okay, it was laundered before selling. If it didn't come up to scratch, it was sold for rags. So to turn away serviceable donations is inexcusable.

[gfwgfw]

I would just lub to applaud all posters for their varying views on this very vexed subject . . . without the need of our vigilant Mods dreaded RED whatsit

Do not forget to pick up your copy of the "Big Issue" on your way to your friendly Starbucks Coffee Shoppee - they do not pay Corporation Tax
on their considerable mega turnover -

Yet another example of perks for the shareholders who we oh so tolerant politicians deem to turn a Nelson's too

Good night me dears. must put me ferrets to bed

Luboooo all

[oldbluefox]

Sorry I may not have explained properly. This wasn't a shop. It was a direct donation for young homeless people who supposedly were on their uppers. We later found it rather amusing that the clothes I would wear were not considered good enough for the homeless!!

[gfwgfw]

Mr Foxy

Perchance you may have a pair of grubby corduroys and brown boots spare

Mine are were purchased many years since and are an embarrassment when I bend down . . . you know what I mean

Thanks in anticipation

[Silver_Shiney]

Sorry I may not have explained properly. This wasn't a shop. It was a direct donation for young homeless people who supposedly were on their uppers. We later found it rather amusing that the clothes I would wear were not considered good enough for the homeless!!

No worries, Foxy, the principle remains the same - our shop worked closely with the homeless and perfectly good stuff that didn't get sold after 4 weeks was taken down to the city centre with our soup kitchen. One chap picked up my wife's unwanted jumper. I stopped him, telling him it was a lady's jumper. He said he didn't care, it would keep him warm. Perhaps the people at "your" charity should talk to their "customers" to ascertain exactly what they want!