Current Affairs

[Jack Staff]

Jack, that's why it is in the EU's interest to agree a free trade deal since they sell us far more than we sell to them.
Come on Jack do keep up with the pace of these discussions or we will begin to have doubts about you.

Dream on...
"Mr Wissmann had little time for the idea that his German car industry would approach Chancellor Angela Merkel and force a compromise in Brexit talks on behalf of an industry which exports one in seven cars to the UK."
http://www.skynews.com.au/news/politics ... rexit.html

[Jack Staff]

Sterling has just finished the week at 1.1355 to the euro, against a low of 1.08 on 29th August that is over a 5% increase. All that for a measly quarter percent increase in the Bank rate, which is great for holidaymakers, oh but hang on a minute the school holidays have now finished, could there be some correlation there, I'm sure Jack will have an answer, not necessarily the correct one of course.

I thought I had already explained this for you.
Would you like me to again? Perhaps in a simpler way?

[barney]

Well, old Boris certainly threw a hand grenade into No.10 didn't he?

I managed to wade through all 4,000 words and he's not backward at coming forward, that's for sure.

What a refreshing change to read something positive from a politician.
His enthusiasm and vision for the UK was heart warming.
What a shame our pathetic leader could get excite the nation in a similar way.

Paradoxically, poor old Vince, the only leadership candidate for an almost invisible party showed his true colours today.
A future Prime Minister??
Do me a favour? So very out of touch with the country.
Jack Staff has more chance of being PM

For anyone else interested in preserving our European Utopia, check out what is happening in Spain at the moment with the Catalan movement.
It's been virtually ignored by our media and Brussels but is quite shocking in a 'democratic' EU.

[Ray Scully]

Well, old Boris certainly threw a hand grenade into No.10 didn't he?

I managed to wade through all 4,000 words and he's not backward at coming forward, that's for sure.

What a refreshing change to read something positive from a politician.
His enthusiasm and vision for the UK was heart warming.
What a shame our pathetic leader could get excite the nation in a similar way.

Paradoxically, poor old Vince, the only leadership candidate for an almost invisible party showed his true colours today.
A future Prime Minister??
Do me a favour? So very out of touch with the country.
Jack Staff has more chance of being PM

For anyone else interested in preserving our European Utopia, check out what is happening in Spain at the moment with the Catalan movement.
It's been virtually ignored by our media and Brussels but is quite shocking in a 'democratic' EU.

Letter-from-Sir-David-Norgrove-to-Foreign-Secretary-page-0.jpg

“The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to such a pass that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him,

[Jack Staff]

What a refreshing change to read something positive from a politician.
His enthusiasm and vision for the UK was heart warming.

You may call it positive.
Others say:
"It is a clear misuse of official statistics," The UK Statistic Authority.
"Boris' compulsive lying means he has lost the right to be heard on Brexit." Chuka Umunna MP
""The £350m figure was simply wrong during the referendum campaign, and it's wrong now."
http://news.sky.com/story/brexit-statis ... m-11040516

Thank you for the vote of confidence, but our next Prime Minister will be Jeremy Corbyn. Think yourself lucky, he is the only hope for Brexit now.

But just consider what he will be able to do with all the powers that TM the PM is currently trying to get.

[barney]

" our next Prime Minister will be Jeremy Corbyn. Think yourself lucky, he is the only hope for Brexit now."

Are you for real ?

Jezza is a harder Brexiteer than Boris.
Always has been and always will be.
He loathes the EU superstate.

He has only moderated his views to appeal to the likes of you Jack, knowing full well that he doesn't have to carry them through.
A little bit like all of his outrageous pledges at the last election.
The beauty of opposition.
Say what you think the public want to hear because you'll never have to do it.

I'd have a little wager that IF the EU referendum was re-run tomorrow, the Leave vote would increase due to Juncker and Verhofstadt's behaviour.

Just supposition because it won't happen.
what will happen is that one way or the other, the UK will leave in March 2019 and you can then ramble on about the 'good old days'

[anniec]

Well said, Barney; you've saved my fingers typing roughly the same thing.

Jack, how much do you actually know about Corbyn's background as an enthusiastic anti-EU supporter?

I'm not a Boris fan, but from where I'm sitting it's all about controlling OUR money. Not about paying into the EU, getting rebates, and being told where to spend the money the EU gives us back. Money that we gave to them in the first place.

[david63]

I have an interesting question about the "divorce bill" where the EU are trying to insist that we honour our commitments and pay some ridiculous billions of pounds, basically because they will be short of money when we go as we are one of the main net contributors.

So the question is - if we were a net recipient would the EU pay us untold billions upon leaving?

Answers on the back of a postage stamp!!

[towny44]

As an avid cruiser the one thing I like about the EU is that it has lavished money on most of the Mediterranean countries to update and improve their tourist infrastructure, which means there are endless miles of pristine promenades which are extremely wheelchair friendly.
Mind you I think we might have overpaid massively for this privilege, but it is welcome nonetheless.

[oldbluefox]

........................................... and we've got a footpath from the ice cream shop to nowhere in particular in Allonby. Does that count?

Actually I have found an interesting article on our contributions to the EU here.

[Jack Staff]

" our next Prime Minister will be Jeremy Corbyn. Think yourself lucky, he is the only hope for Brexit now."

Are you for real ?

Barney (and Anniec), you have missed the point entirely.

The current government is proving itself incapable of delivering any kind of Brexit (except possibly the worst, that no one wants).
Boris is obviously trying to trip up TM the PM and you can bet Diddy David and disgraced former defense minister Fox are all doing their bit behind the scenes too.
But they are ensuring the executive gets undemocratic power.

I was pointing out that this government will fall. Corbyn will get in because (as you say) he is a Brexiter.
Hence me saying "he is the only hope for Brexit now."
He is also not a Conservative.
Now what will he do with those Henry VIII powers? - that is what you should be worried about.

[barney]

Interesting Foxy

So, the figure is really £250 million a week, not £350 million.

I feel so much better knowing that.

What's all the fuss about

No doubt there are a few who think that's a price worth paying for the 'benefits'
I'm not one of them.

Hopefully useless May will be telling the EU how much they need to pay to have free access to our market, then write one off against the other.
That should come to the grand sum of zilch both ways.

But wait, Jack says, we need them more than they need us!
Time will tell, won't it.
He says, the kind of Brexit know one wants !! Actually a clean break is the kind of Brexit the majority want.
He now thinks he speaks for the country. The opinion polls say otherwise.

They have had it all one way before because they have been dealing with poor, supplicant countries.
This is a whole different ball game but the penny still hasn't dropped.

The UK is a major player, both economically & militarily.
Juncker et al will have to come to terms with this.

[Jack Staff]

Interesting Foxy

So, the figure is really £250 million a week, not £350 million.

Actually, if you read it, it says the figure is £8.6 billion per annum.

Last time I checked, there were 52 weeks in a year.

8.6 Billion divided by 52 equals £165 million. Not £350 million and not £250 million.

Unsubstantiated claim removed He is wrecking your Brexity dream.

[barney]

Oh cheers Jack

£165 million a week still seems a scary amount to me.

Obviously good value for you.

I can think of a few better ways of spending it than a promenade in Malta or a motorway in Slovakia.

And of course Boris is a liar.
He is a politician.
All politicians are liars.
It's a pre-requisite.

[oldbluefox]

Jack, you accuse annie of 'missing the point entirely'. What she said was:
"it's all about controlling OUR money. Not about paying into the EU, getting rebates, and being told where to spend the money the EU gives us back. Money that we gave to them in the first place".
The article I posted says:
"£350 million is what we would pay to the EU budget, without the rebate. But the UK actually pays around £250 million a week.

The figure of £8.6billion is what the EU keeps for itself after rebates and anything else it deigns to return to us. You have confused the actual amount we should be paying, which is actually £350 million a week, with the actual cost to us of maintaining this failed and extravagant administration.
As annie says 'it's all about controlling OUR money' not being told by the EU what we will spend it on or how it will be spent. I think annie was quite clear, as was barney.

[Jack Staff]

barney wrote: ↑
17 Sep 2017, 15:02
What a refreshing change to read something positive from a politician.
His enthusiasm and vision for the UK was heart warming.


And of course Boris is a liar.
He is a politician.
All politicians are liars.
It's a pre-requisite.

[Jack Staff]

Jack, you accuse annie of 'missing the point entirely'. What she said was:
"it's all about controlling OUR money. Not about paying into the EU, getting rebates, and being told where to spend the money the EU gives us back. Money that we gave to them in the first place".
The article I posted says:
"£350 million is what we would pay to the EU budget, without the rebate. But the UK actually pays around £250 million a week.

The figure of £8.6billion is what the EU keeps for itself after rebates and anything else it deigns to return to us. You have confused the actual amount we should be paying, which is actually £350 million a week, with the actual cost to us of maintaining this failed and extravagant administration.
As annie says 'it's all about controlling OUR money' not being told by the EU what we will spend it on or how it will be spent. I think annie was quite clear, as was barney.

I was referring to her (and his) Corbyn comments.

[barney]

As Jack seems to have plenty of time on his hands this morning, I wonder if he could educate us into exactly how much money other 'third countries' contribute into the EU coffers in return for a trade agreement ?

It's just that I've found the latest is with South Korea but can't find any information on EU contributions, free movement or jurisdiction of the ECJ.

Bizarrely, similar information is lacking for the upcoming (if it ever goes through) Canadian trade agreement.

Could it possibly be, that the EU views the UK as a cash cow, and is looking to exploit the good citizens of this country?

[Jack Staff]

As Jack seems to have plenty of time on his hands this morning, I wonder if he could educate us into exactly how much money other 'third countries' contribute into the EU coffers in return for a trade agreement ?

It's just that I've found the latest is with South Korea but can't find any information on EU contributions, free movement or jurisdiction of the ECJ.

Bizarrely, similar information is lacking for the upcoming (if it ever goes through) Canadian trade agreement.

Could it possibly be, that the EU views the UK as a cash cow, and is looking to exploit the good citizens of this country?

You've had over forty years complaining about stuff you don't know about. Brilliant.

[anniec]

"but our next Prime Minister will be Jeremy Corbyn. Think yourself lucky, he is the only hope for Brexit now".

If you didn't actually mean the above, perhaps next time it would be helpful to us all if you could be a little clearer?

Anyway, according to the not even remotely delusional Vince Cable, he's going to be the next PM, so we needn't worry about Jeremy.

[Jack Staff]

"but our next Prime Minister will be Jeremy Corbyn. Think yourself lucky, he is the only hope for Brexit now".

If you didn't actually mean the above, perhaps next time it would be helpful to us all if you could be a little clearer?

Anyway, according to the not even remotely delusional Vince Cable, he's going to be the next PM, so we needn't worry about Jeremy.

I did mean it.
This government is toast.
The next one (IMO) can only be Corbyn lead Labour. Complete with the powers given to him by the present government.
As a committed Quitling, he will be the only person able to push through Brexit. So he will be voted in by the Tory haters and the Brexiters.

What will he do with those supreme powers then?

To me, that is as bad if not worse than what we have now.

[barney]

As Jack seems to have plenty of time on his hands this morning, I wonder if he could educate us into exactly how much money other 'third countries' contribute into the EU coffers in return for a trade agreement ?

It's just that I've found the latest is with South Korea but can't find any information on EU contributions, free movement or jurisdiction of the ECJ.

Bizarrely, similar information is lacking for the upcoming (if it ever goes through) Canadian trade agreement.

Could it possibly be, that the EU views the UK as a cash cow, and is looking to exploit the good citizens of this country?

You've had over forty years complaining about stuff you don't know about. Brilliant.

Interesting that you never dissect a comment, line by line, when your flummoxed, like you usually do.

Actually, I have never spent forty years complaining about the EU Jack.

It was only after the referendum was called and I started doing a lot of research, did I discover that it's a huge Ponzi scheme, taking borrowed money from member states, to loan it back to them. It's called the European Central Bank.
Then other 'projects' came to light.
The wastage is horrendous.
From moving to Strasbourg every month to tens of millions of disappeared Euros that cannot be accounted for.
Then there is CAP. What a scandal that is.
Then there is the German question.
Why is it right that they prosper in an 'equal EU' when so many others are suffering so badly.
Hardly equal is it?
The more I found out, the more I was convinced that leaving was, in the long run, the right thing to do.

In a nutshell, the majority of people in this country have become fed up with our taxes subsidising half of Europe, when there is so much to be done here.
If you are happy for your hard earned tax money to be used to pay for a motorway in Slovenia in 2020, then fine.
I'm not. I'd rather it be spent on an old folks home in the UK.

Whatever the real amount of money is, is irrelevant. Be it £350 million, £250 million or £160 million.
That money is needed in this country.

[david63]

Can you please keep this civil.

Making potentially slanderous comments about non members of this board who cannot defend themselves is not acceptable and will lead to official warning and potentially a ban.

[towny44]

Can you please keep this civil.

Making potentially slanderous comments about non members of this board who cannot defend themselves is not acceptable and will lead to official warning and potentially a ban.

You do seem to have put the frighteners on posters with this comment David, I always thought that slagging off politicians or other minor celebrities was fair game on social media. However slandering forum members should be more likely to bring the mods down on the offender, unless of course the offender is me.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Even politicians can claim damages for defamation!