Brexit

[david63]

Like so many politicians, their hypocrisy beggars belief.

As does their logic.

If there will be less voters for a second referendum due to some "popping their clogs" then surely there will be some newcomers at the other end - or am I missing something?

[oldbluefox]

Don't worry about it David. Diane Abbott will have done the calculations so they are bound to be right......................ish.

[oldbluefox]

Rumour has it the Italian election was merely advisory. The people didn’t know what they were voting for..

[Mervyn and Trish]

And some of the politicians told lies

[oldbluefox]

And some of the politicians told lies

Correction. They all tell porkies. Lies are what each party accuses their opponents of telling. Of course the Remainers didn't tell any lies.........so they say and have you believe.

[Ray Scully]

Well folks! after Mrs May' outlining her wishes for a Brexit deal, I really feel that our Brexiteers have been very badly let down.
This deal is just a mish mash mess, confusion, hotchpotch, hodgepodge, ragbag, patchwork call it what you will and nothing like that which Messrs Johnson and co. promised

[oldbluefox]

I tend to agree Ray. We are veering towards a Brexit deal which is Remain under a different name. Party politics and the personal ambitions of our politicians to remain in the EU, despite what their electorate voted for are getting in the way of any significant progress. Barnier & Co must be laughing their little EU socks off at just how weak and lily-livered we have become.

[Ray Scully]

I tend to agree Ray. We are veering towards a Brexit deal which is Remain under a different name. Party politics and the personal ambitions of our politicians to remain in the EU, despite what their electorate voted for are getting in the way of any significant progress. Barnier & Co must be laughing their little EU socks off at just how weak and lily-livered we have become.

But OBF were the great British public not miss led in the first place, by politicians promising what they could not deliver, confident that the referendum would not come out on their side.

[oldbluefox]

No, they just didn't believe the lies put forward by Project Fear, shown to have been totally unfounded but the Remain camp prefer to have forgotten those. In addition they had had enough of being dictated to by an extravagant gravy train of failed MPs at great cost to the nation. Neither did they want to be part of a federal state or part of a European Army. There's an arrogance about the Remain camp in thinking the British public were naive and were mislead. I am still looking to see where it says £350million would be given to the NHS and anybody who believed that should be locked up.
Furthermore Mrs May was asked which she would accept; bad deal or no deal and has been lambasted for her answer. I presume from their responses her opponents would rather accept a bad deal and if we are not careful that is what we will get - and more than likely Jezza "I'll be PM by Christmas" will be in No10.

[towny44]

Vince Cable says that all Brexit voters hanker after the old days when Britain was mainly white, well maybe some do but for me the bureaucratic waste of the European parliament was a much more important reason.
The telegraph back in 2013 wrote that each MEP cost £1.79m pa, which adds up to £1.35bn pa over the total 751 MEPs, God knows how much it is now, and they are a totally worthless rubber stamping assembly.
If it had ever seemed likely that the EU would run a balanced budget, never mind trying to live within it's means, then I might have considered it worthwhile to believe that it might in time reform itself back into an economic union and be worth preserving.
But pigs do not fly.

[Ray B]

[quote=oldbluefox post_id=228249 time=1520334299 user_id=244]
There's an arrogance about the Remain camp in thinking the British public were naive and were mislead. I am still looking to see where it says £350million would be given to the NHS and anybody who believed that should be locked up.

Foxy, Some folk only saw what they wanted to see. On the side of the bus was

We send the EU £350 million a week
Let's fund our NHS instead vote leave

[oldbluefox]

But where does it say £350 million a week will be given to the NHS? It doesn't. You are right Ray. Some people only saw (and still see) what they wanted to believe. Of course it is convenient for the Remainers to put their own interpretation on it and they clearly feel if they say it long enough people will believe it.
We could give it all to the NHS but there would be no subsidies for farmers, fishermen etc, no money for research and no funding for capital projects which the EU feels we need to have.
Meanwhile their predictions of immediate impending doom and gloom (eg Brown's emergency budget) if we voted to leave did not materialise. As a consequence Brown and Cameron departed with egg on their faces despite Cameron saying "Brits don't quit - we get involved, we take a lead, we make a difference, we get things done," (31 Jan 2018). Brits don't quit indeed!!!

[Ray Scully]

Whatever happens, is it not reasonable that those seniors who apparently voted in droves to leave, be rewarded with an increase in pension paid for out of the dividend that will accrue from leaving?

[towny44]

Whatever happens, is it not reasonable that those seniors who apparently voted in droves to leave, be rewarded with an increase in pension paid for out of the dividend that will accrue from leaving?

Further fake news from the remain camp.

[Ray Scully]

Whatever happens, is it not reasonable that those seniors who apparently voted in droves to leave, be rewarded with an increase in pension paid for out of the dividend that will accrue from leaving?

Further fake news from the remain camp.

Can anyone help? who defined 'fake news' as something that did not support ones argument.

[gilly88]

if anybody is interested there is a petition up and running on the government website, asking them to think again about the passports being awarded to the Dutch /French company instead of de la rue. just over 10.000 signatures now.

[barney]

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-lead ... n-council/

It does seem at last (hooray) that the EU 27 have finally come to terms that the UK is leaving and are now willing to be sensible in order for a decent outcome for all.
One or two still hoping that we will remain in the single market and customs union, but all in all, resignation to the inevitable.

It now appears that they just want us gone so that they can get on with their business, and that suits me down to the ground.
Not much mention of cherry picking and cake and eat it, I notice.

Hopefully a sensible deal can now be concluded that is mutually beneficial, with us as one of the EU's largest external trading partners, and them still having access to the financial clout of the City of London in return for reasonable access to their markets.

Maybe, just maybe, common sense will actually prevail.

With a bit of luck, the looney Remainiacs in our own country will now wind their necks in and work towards the best possible outcome.

ref the passport saga, it's now coming out that the company that won the contract fair and square have a processing plant in Poland where the wages are a pittance in comparison to the UK's at De La Rue.
That would go a long way to explaining the differentials.
That is what an open, free trading country has to put up with.
Protectionism is one of the reasons to leave the EU.
It's only making the books. all printing and data is added in the UK.
It does seem a shame but assuming a like for like product, the procurement office is obliged to get the best deal for the UK taxpayer.
That's life folks.

[Ray Scully]

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-lead ... n-council/





Hopefully a sensible deal can now be concluded that is mutually beneficial, with us as one of the EU's largest external trading partners, and them still having access to the financial clout of the City of London in return for reasonable access to their markets.

Wonderful! does this mean that the NHS will now get the £350 million a week, such good news.

[Mervyn and Trish]

I came across an interesting example of how the EU works together for mutual benefit during our recent holiday in Madeira. Talking to a local businessman he told us how the island used to have a profitable banana industry. Then the EU did a deal with the USA. In return for the US importing French wine the EU would import US bananas. Result. Happy French wine makers. Madeira banana industry devastated.

[oldbluefox]

Wonderful! does this mean that the NHS will now get the £350 million a week, such good news.

As I said earlier, if the Remainers repeat this often enough they will start believing it
Diane Abbott mentioned it again today so it looks like the Remainers are in good company. She is, after all, hardly a clear thinker so what would anyone expect.

[oldbluefox]

I came across an interesting example of how the EU works together for mutual benefit during our recent holiday in Madeira. Talking to a local businessman he told us how the island used to have a profitable banana industry. Then the EU did a deal with the USA. In return for the US importing French wine the EU would import US bananas. Result. Happy French wine makers. Madeira banana industry devastated.

Oddly enough production of many of our chocolate confections have been transferred to Poland, which is good news for Polish workers but this is at the expense of the British workforce. A good example of how the EU works in our favour.

[Ray Scully]

I came across an interesting example of how the EU works together for mutual benefit during our recent holiday in Madeira. Talking to a local businessman he told us how the island used to have a profitable banana industry. Then the EU did a deal with the USA. In return for the US importing French wine the EU would import US bananas. Result. Happy French wine makers. Madeira banana industry devastated.

Oddly enough production of many of our chocolate confections have been transferred to Poland, which is good news for Polish workers but this is at the expense of the British workforce. A good example of how the EU works in our favour.

But surely this is what is wanted, the Polish and others to find suitable employment in their home countries, negating the need for them coming into the UK to find work

[Ray Scully]

Wonderful! does this mean that the NHS will now get the £350 million a week, such good news.

As I said earlier, if the Remainers repeat this often enough they will start believing it
Diane Abbott mentioned it again today so it looks like the Remainers are in good company. She is, after all, hardly a clear thinker so what would anyone expect.

Oh I thought it was the Brexiteers who made this promise, albeit they are rowing back on it now.

[oldbluefox]

But surely this is what is wanted, the Polish and others to find suitable employment in their home countries, negating the need for them coming into the UK to find work

I take it from that you approve of British manufacturing undustry being taken abroad. I suggest those who voted for Brexit did not.

[oldbluefox]

Wonderful! does this mean that the NHS will now get the £350 million a week, such good news.

As I said earlier, if the Remainers repeat this often enough they will start believing it
Diane Abbott mentioned it again today so it looks like the Remainers are in good company. She is, after all, hardly a clear thinker so what would anyone expect.

Oh I thought it was the Brexiteers who made this promise, albeit they are rowing back on it now.

I refer you to my quote from post 387
"But where does it say £350 million a week will be given to the NHS? It doesn't. You are right Ray. Some people only saw (and still see) what they wanted to believe. Of course it is convenient for the Remainers to put their own interpretation on it and they clearly feel if they say it long enough people will believe it".
As a Brexiteer I am happy to stand by that statement despite the fairy tales of the Remainers.