Brexit

[barney]

Thanks Jack !

I got a 2.1 in Whataboutery at Uni.


A bit more whataboutery would have got me a First according to my Tutor.
What does he know about it? Bl*ody Experts. Think that they know everything.

Reading the Times today and their expert says that he thinks the UK can get a free trade agreement of goods quite easily.
Given that the EU have a massive surplus with us on goods, he recommends paying money to the EU in return for this agreement.

So, this genius expert thinks it a good idea to pay money to the EU in return for them allowing us to buy millions of Euros of there goods.
The world has actually gone bonkers.
I'd be saying, we'll buy EU goods, in return for free access for services, of which we have a surplus.
Win/Win

[Jack Staff]

I am afraid you may be right Barney, from what I have heard anyway.
Theresa May is headed for a deal on goods (which Europe has and we don't) but not services (which we do have).
In other words we are being sold down the river with a deal neither you nor I could possibly be happy with.

This is really not going well.

[barney]

I see that a Bill had it's first reading in Parliament today, giving Gibraltar the option of having an MP in Westminster, to further strengthen bonds with the UK.
Under the 1713 Treaty of Utrecht, Gib was acceded to Britain in perpituity.
However, the sting in the tail is that Gibraltar can never be independent.
It can only be a territory of either Britain or Spain.

The proposal in the first reading was that Gibralter should have the right to representation in Parliament should the Gibraltar people wish it.
With a voting population of just 22,000, it still wouldn't be the smallest constituancy in Parliament.
That honour goes to the Outer Hebridese.

All interesting stuff that I didn't know.

[Stephen]

Looks like we've been sold down the river again by May just to appease the EU bolsheviks.

The country voted to leave the EU not have them with a foot in the door still dictating
laws to us if May gets her way. This government has the back bone of a jelly fish, an absolute shambles, the lot of them.

[oldbluefox]

What's the betting that Labour, the SDP and Vince Cable will reject it and Barnier will turn it down anyway? Nothing less than staying in the EU will satisfy them. The EU needs our money, opposition parties need to appeal to the 49% and we have a PM who is not committed.
Did anybody really think that MPs would give up their gravy train?

[towny44]

It's not the Brexit deal I want, but I imagine it will be turned down by Barnier and Juncker anyway, and I hope the cabinet Brexiteers will not agree to any further watering down of the withdrawal conditions and persuade May to agree with them or force a leadership election.

[Ray Scully]

All we need is the deal we were promised by Bojo and co, that is the EU falling over itself to keep us happy and give us the deal we want, and the massive red bus cash savings going to the NHS. Simps get this and just sign up.

[Manoverboard]

The published highlights of the deal certainly weren't what I was hoping for but the populous were split evenly and everybody should be represented … a good old British compromise was therefore the outcome ?

[Jack Staff]

The published highlights of the deal certainly weren't what I was hoping for but the populous were split evenly and everybody should be represented … a good old British compromise was therefore the outcome ?

No, I do not believe so.

The proposed 'solution' is nothing of the sort. The only thing it does it keep the Conservative party together for a while (maybe only as long as the Sunday papers/Marr tomorrow, who knows?).

The EU told us two years ago that what is proposed is a non-starter.
The EU is a club of rules, we should know, we wrote most of them. They can not negotiate these rules.

Therefore, we are either going to crash out or we remain.

[Jack Staff]

I spoke too soon about it lasting until tomorrow!
Laura Kuenssberg:
‏Tory pact fraying tonight - briefing going round eurosceptics warns Chequers deal is a 'Black Hole Brexit' - May's plan is not a 'serious proposal capable of actual implementation'.

[barney]

Having watched Gove on Andrew Marr, I think that most rightminded people could go with this fudge.
It ties us loosely in for now, but critically doesn't tie the hands of any future government.

I expect that you Jack will be absolutely chuffed if the EU accepts this. A good compromise in my opinion, with the UK definitely out of the EU and able to dictate it's own future policies.

Interestingly, the final Gove statement was that the whole cabinet has agreed that is the EU rejects this, then the no deal scenario is very much on the table and preperations are well in hand for that possibility.

So, over to Brussels for a reaction.

Nobody will ever be able to placate the two extremes of the argument.
Clegg wants nothing less than full EU membership, Farage wants noting less than an absolute break.

The millions in between simply want them to bloodywell get on with it.

[screwy]

I spoke too soon about it lasting until tomorrow!
Laura Kuenssberg:
‏Tory pact fraying tonight - briefing going round eurosceptics warns Chequers deal is a 'Black Hole Brexit' - May's plan is not a 'serious proposal capable of actual implementation'.

It's Kuenssberg Jack. She's still smarting over England reaching the Semi's.. All we need is for England to beat France or Belgium in the final and that would really put 2 fingers up to Europe....

[Jack Staff]

I spoke too soon about it lasting until tomorrow!
Laura Kuenssberg:
‏Tory pact fraying tonight - briefing going round eurosceptics warns Chequers deal is a 'Black Hole Brexit' - May's plan is not a 'serious proposal capable of actual implementation'.

It's Kuenssberg Jack. She's still smarting over England reaching the Semi's.. All we need is for England to beat France or Belgium in the final and that would really put 2 fingers up to Europe....

So Kuenssberg and all the other political commentators are against the England football team????

[barney]

I spoke too soon about it lasting until tomorrow!
Laura Kuenssberg:
‏Tory pact fraying tonight - briefing going round eurosceptics warns Chequers deal is a 'Black Hole Brexit' - May's plan is not a 'serious proposal capable of actual implementation'.

It's Kuenssberg Jack. She's still smarting over England reaching the Semi's.. All we need is for England to beat France or Belgium in the final and that would really put 2 fingers up to Europe....

So Kuenssberg and all the other political commentators are against the England football team????

Only the non English ones. A Welsh Guardian journo on the Sunday Politics said she supports anyone that England are playing .

[barney]

Interesting that both Marr and Sarah Smith chose to put their own spin on what the cabinet agreed and were both firmly put back in their box. It's so near to what Labour have proposed that they are now embarrassingly back tracking.

[screwy]

A Scottish presenter on Sky news didnt want to talk about the football. Ridiculed by his Co-presenter.

[Jack Staff]

Having watched Gove on Andrew Marr, I think that most rightminded people could go with this fudge.
It ties us loosely in for now, but critically doesn't tie the hands of any future government.

I expect that you Jack will be absolutely chuffed if the EU accepts this. A good compromise in my opinion, with the UK definitely out of the EU and able to dictate it's own future policies.

Interestingly, the final Gove statement was that the whole cabinet has agreed that is the EU rejects this, then the no deal scenario is very much on the table and preperations are well in hand for that possibility.

So, over to Brussels for a reaction.

Nobody will ever be able to placate the two extremes of the argument.
Clegg wants nothing less than full EU membership, Farage wants noting less than an absolute break.

The millions in between simply want them to bloodywell get on with it.

Once again Barney you have scared me on how close we are.
But...
The agreement/fudge is purely for the consumption of the Conservative party and other Brexiters.
Other Brexiters (ERG) have already dissed it. Conservative members of the cabinet don't like it "You can't polish a ...."

It is NOT an agreement until the EU agree to it. That is simply not going to happen.
The whole thing is a waste of newspaper ink.

Some Brexiters do like it because it means the British are wholly unprepared and will have to resort to the nuclear option of walking away.

The millions in between simply want Brexit to just go away.

[Jack Staff]

Robert Peston:
‏Sources confirm letters calling for vote of confidence in @theresa_may leadership going in to @Graham__Brady, chair of 1922. Tory Brexiters very unhappy - accuse PM of traducing those who voted to leave EU. This appears to be spontaneous, not coralled by ERG & @Jacob_Rees_Mogg.

[Mervyn and Trish]

I detested Robert Peston when he was at the BBC and almost single handedly created a run on Northern Rock as he talked up the problems and I don't like him or trust him any more now.

[Jack Staff]

I detested Robert Peston when he was at the BBC and almost single handedly created a run on Northern Rock as he talked up the problems and I don't like him or trust him any more now.

This suit you better?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... tee-brexit

[Mervyn and Trish]

I detested Robert Peston when he was at the BBC and almost single handedly created a run on Northern Rock as he talked up the problems and I don't like him or trust him any more now.

This suit you better?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... tee-brexit

You really should read before you post Jack. In what way is the Express quoting Peston second hand more authorative than Peston himself?

But either way, any Brexiteers voting to oust Theresa May will be voting to elect Jezzer as PM, thus ensuring the softest of all soft Brexits. Is that what they really want?

[towny44]

I detested Robert Peston when he was at the BBC and almost single handedly created a run on Northern Rock as he talked up the problems and I don't like him or trust him any more now.

This suit you better?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... tee-brexit

You really should read before you post Jack. In what way is the Express quoting Peston second hand more authorative than Peston himself?

But either way, any Brexiteers voting to oust Theresa May will be voting to elect Jezzer as PM, thus ensuring the softest of all soft Brexits. Is that what they really want?

I doubt that even Jezzer will be able to negotiate any Brexit deal with the EU that would be acceptable to anyone who voted leave, which then begs the question, what next?

[Jack Staff]

I detested Robert Peston when he was at the BBC and almost single handedly created a run on Northern Rock as he talked up the problems and I don't like him or trust him any more now.

This suit you better?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... tee-brexit

You really should read before you post Jack. In what way is the Express quoting Peston second hand more authorative than Peston himself?

But either way, any Brexiteers voting to oust Theresa May will be voting to elect Jezzer as PM, thus ensuring the softest of all soft Brexits. Is that what they really want?

Well you have got me banged to rights there Merv, as you already know I would not actually read anything from that comic. I was just trying to be helpful.

I beg to differ. Corbyn would provide a much 'harder' Brexit than May ever will. Hence the current problems in the Labour party.

[Jack Staff]

I doubt that even Jezzer will be able to negotiate any Brexit deal with the EU that would be acceptable to anyone who voted leave, which then begs the question, what next?

There is no 'deal' that will be acceptable to leave voters or in fact anyone.

Whatever happens deal wise, we will all be poorer, less influential in the world and more divided as a country.

[Jack Staff]

Diddy Davis has threatened to resign so many times I never actually believed he would!