Brexit

[Onelife]

Well she didn't stay strong and the consequences of this will be that the EU have us where they want us....squeak! squeak!

What is proposed isn't what l and 17 million+ voters voted for.....disgraceful!

[towny44]

I beg to differ. Corbyn would provide a much 'harder' Brexit than May ever will. Hence the current problems in the Labour party.

I doubt that even Jezzer will be able to negotiate any Brexit deal with the EU that would be acceptable to anyone who voted leave, which then begs the question, what next?

There is no 'deal' that will be acceptable to leave voters or in fact anyone.

Whatever happens deal wise, we will all be poorer, less influential in the world and more divided as a country.

Jack, are those 2 comments really compatible? If Corbyn could negotiate a much harder Brexit than May's proposal then it might well be acceptable to me, but do you really believe he could?

[barney]

Diddy Davis has threatened to resign so many times I never actually believed he would!

Arrh! See I thought that he would Jack.
Unlike May, he cannnot throw his weight behind something that he didn't believe in.
As I've said previously, she is like a project manager who doesn't believe in the project.
Maybe a couple of others will follow. Certainly a few Junior ministers.

My prediction is …. by the middle of the week, over 48 letters will be sent to the 1922 committee calling for a confidence vote.
My next prediction is that May will hang in there and see it off.
She will appoint a Soft Brexit minister to see this through.
She will please no one.
Not a single leaver. Not a single remainer.
Corbyn will half heartedly call for a GE, but it reality, he wants Brexit to go through.
Even if the was a snap election, I'm still not convinced that Corbyn would win a majority.
They like to spout that 75% of Labour members voted to remain, while overlooking the fact that 66% of Labour constituancies voted to Leave.
The London Metropolitan vote is not enough to win the country.

In my opinion, the whole debacle is too ridiculous for words as there is little chance of the EU accepting these terms anyway.
As far as the EU is concerned, you are either IN or OUT.
I'm sure that they will be happy to do a trade deal, but not under these conditions.
The hard Brexit that they are keen to avaoid looks ever more likely as May has no more wriggle room.

[Ray Scully]

Barney, the problems have all arisen because the Brexiteers promised the undeliverable.

[Jack Staff]

I beg to differ. Corbyn would provide a much 'harder' Brexit than May ever will. Hence the current problems in the Labour party.

I doubt that even Jezzer will be able to negotiate any Brexit deal with the EU that would be acceptable to anyone who voted leave, which then begs the question, what next?

There is no 'deal' that will be acceptable to leave voters or in fact anyone.

Whatever happens deal wise, we will all be poorer, less influential in the world and more divided as a country.

Jack, are those 2 comments really compatible? If Corbyn could negotiate a much harder Brexit than May's proposal then it might well be acceptable to me, but do you really believe he could?

No, Corbyn could not actually negotiate a harder Brexit deal than May because it's not going to happen.
My point was that Corbyn is a leaver pretending to be a remainer, when May is a remainer pretending to be a leaver.

[barney]

We'll agree to disagree on that one Ray.
Brexit was 100% deliverable with the right people delivering it.
It's the Politicians who have over complicated it.

Step one - invoke Article 50 giving firm leave date of March 2019.
Then start all proceedings to ensure a smooth leave of the EU institutions on that date.
Make all arrangments for border controls, custom checks etc.

Meanwhile, and while all this is going on, negotiate in good faith with the EU to try and eleviate a hard Brexit.
IF a deal can be agreed then proceed with it.
If not, then trade as any other third country (their phrase) until when or if a deal in concluded.

It really should have been that simple.
Total clarity for everyone on both sides.
Unfortunately, the Tory Party voted for wishy washy May as leader and they have ended up with a wishy washy proposal that the EU are likely to reject anyway.

Brussels must be wetting themselves at the absolute shambles this government have made of the whole thing.
It doesn't make Brexit wrong, it makes this government wrong.

[barney]

I beg to differ. Corbyn would provide a much 'harder' Brexit than May ever will. Hence the current problems in the Labour party.

I doubt that even Jezzer will be able to negotiate any Brexit deal with the EU that would be acceptable to anyone who voted leave, which then begs the question, what next?

There is no 'deal' that will be acceptable to leave voters or in fact anyone.

Whatever happens deal wise, we will all be poorer, less influential in the world and more divided as a country.

Jack, are those 2 comments really compatible? If Corbyn could negotiate a much harder Brexit than May's proposal then it might well be acceptable to me, but do you really believe he could?

No, Corbyn could not actually negotiate a harder Brexit deal than May because it's not going to happen.
My point was that Corbyn is a leaver pretending to be a remainer, when May is a remainer pretending to be a leaver.

Spot on with that Jack.
I'm still amazed that so many in Labour think that Corbyn and McDonnell want to stop Brexit.

[Jack Staff]

Diddy Davis has threatened to resign so many times I never actually believed he would!

Arrh! See I thought that he would Jack.
Unlike May, he cannnot throw his weight behind something that he didn't believe in.
As I've said previously, she is like a project manager who doesn't believe in the project.
Maybe a couple of others will follow. Certainly a few Junior ministers.

My prediction is …. by the middle of the week, over 48 letters will be sent to the 1922 committee calling for a confidence vote.
My next prediction is that May will hang in there and see it off.
She will appoint a Soft Brexit minister to see this through.
She will please no one.
Not a single leaver. Not a single remainer.
Corbyn will half heartedly call for a GE, but it reality, he wants Brexit to go through.
Even if the was a snap election, I'm still not convinced that Corbyn would win a majority.
They like to spout that 75% of Labour members voted to remain, while overlooking the fact that 66% of Labour constituancies voted to Leave.
The London Metropolitan vote is not enough to win the country.

In my opinion, the whole debacle is too ridiculous for words as there is little chance of the EU accepting these terms anyway.
As far as the EU is concerned, you are either IN or OUT.
I'm sure that they will be happy to do a trade deal, but not under these conditions.
The hard Brexit that they are keen to avaoid looks ever more likely as May has no more wriggle room.

Stop it Barney!
I can't disagree with any of that.

I would just comment that the constituency of Dunny-on-the-Wold has a hundred voters. 60 of them are Labour, 40 Conservative.
In the EU ref they voted 60/40 leave.
The leave vote was of course made up of the 40 Conservatives and 20 Labour votes.

So does Corbyn respect his voters or the constituency vote? For leaver Corbyn that's an easy one.

[barney]

Wow, Raab for Davis !!!!

Strange choice ?

[Jack Staff]

Wow, Raab for Davis !!!!

Strange choice ?

What do you think?
https://www.channel4.com/news/dominic-r ... ep-forward

Seems just as pathetic as Davis to me.

[david63]

My view is that Davis should not have resigned - that is a too easy option. If he is in disagreement then he should have resigned as an MP, but obviously he did not want to loose that "gravy train".

OK he does not agree with the proposals but like many of us in our working lives we had to do tasks that we did not want to do/believed were not the right way to go but we had to get on with them.

It is just another case of politicians being totally out of touch with the "real world" - you have a job and you get on and do it or you leave, simples!

[Stephen]

And he did.

[Jack Staff]

Dominic Raab's last speech to conference...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeiGLSy-1zU

[barney]

My view is that Davis should not have resigned - that is a too easy option. If he is in disagreement then he should have resigned as an MP, but obviously he did not want to loose that "gravy train".

OK he does not agree with the proposals but like many of us in our working lives we had to do tasks that we did not want to do/believed were not the right way to go but we had to get on with them.

It is just another case of politicians being totally out of touch with the "real world" - you have a job and you get on and do it or you leave, simples!

It doesn't quite work like that David.

Basically, a Minister has two jobs. One working in Government and the other representing his constituency.
Being in Government and being an MP are not the same thing.

Personally, I don't think what has been proposed is too bad a compromise.
It can always be amended at a later date when Brexit is proven to be better for the country than remaining in the EU.

[Jack Staff]

Boris Johnson

[Jack Staff]

Who's next?

[Stephen]

Boris resigns

They're dropping like flies

[barney]

Others may follow Stephen.

[Jack Staff]

Others May follow Stephen.

[Stephen]

Me for PM..........any seconders

[Mervyn and Trish]

Others May follow Stephen.

No it's not Jack. That's precisely what the anti democratic Remainers who don't like the outcome of the referendum want. They've pushed her into a compromise they knew perfectly well the Brexiteers wouldn't accept.

Theresa May is far from perfect but she has an impossible task with MPs on both sides playing into the EU's hands by sabotaging the process at every opportunity.

If I was her I would now be saying "Okay, sod it. I'm off. You lot sort it out".

[Mervyn and Trish]

Me for PM..........any seconders

You go for it Stephen. And remember what Corporal Pike said. "They don't like it up 'em Mr Mainwaring"

[Jack Staff]

Others May follow Stephen.

No it's not Jack.

It's not what??

That's precisely what the anti democratic Remainers who don't like the outcome of the referendum want. They've pushed her into a compromise they knew perfectly well the Brexiteers wouldn't accept.

anti democratic ?? So it's the remainers, the judges, business leaders, her own party members, her own cabinet members. Where is this overwhelming majority you keep banging on about?

Theresa May is far from perfect but she has an impossible task with MPs on both sides playing into the EU's hands by sabotaging the process at every opportunity.

The process does need to be sabotaged, it is dying from it's own impossibility.

If I was her I would now be saying "Okay, sod it. I'm off. You lot sort it out".

Rather than her saying, I think she will be told.

[towny44]

I beg to differ. Corbyn would provide a much 'harder' Brexit than May ever will. Hence the current problems in the Labour party.

I doubt that even Jezzer will be able to negotiate any Brexit deal with the EU that would be acceptable to anyone who voted leave, which then begs the question, what next?

There is no 'deal' that will be acceptable to leave voters or in fact anyone.

Whatever happens deal wise, we will all be poorer, less influential in the world and more divided as a country.

Jack, are those 2 comments really compatible? If Corbyn could negotiate a much harder Brexit than May's proposal then it might well be acceptable to me, but do you really believe he could?

No, Corbyn could not actually negotiate a harder Brexit deal than May because it's not going to happen.
My point was that Corbyn is a leaver pretending to be a remainer, when May is a remainer pretending to be a leaver.

At last something we do agree on.

[Mervyn and Trish]

anti democratic ?? So it's the remainers, the judges, business leaders, her own party members, her own cabinet members. Where is this overwhelming majority you keep banging on about?

I don't recall ever using the word "overwhelming".

In a democracy a majority is enough. Even if it is just one. And it was rather more than that.