Brexit

[Stephen]

I heard she's suing the EU for everything they have.......or is that we have......or what we had


......or is that just a rumour

[david63]

A second referendum is a pointless, futile, expensive exercise that would mean nothing.

If the "second" referendum voted out then nothing changes.

If the "second" referendum voted remain then still nothing changes because we have triggered Article 50 and we are out.

There are some in the Government that don't seem to be able to grasp such a simple concept.

Nobody has the first clue as to whether any deal will work for the benefit of the country, it is all speculation and no matter what deal there is the World economy will play a much greater role in our economy over the forthcoming years.

The only people to benefit from whatever deal there is will be the Labour Party - if everything is going well then it will be "because we backed the agreement" and if things go wrong then it will be "because of the agreement - we would have done xyz". The Labour Party will have an excuse for the next 30 years for everything in the economy!

[Jack Staff]

A second referendum is a pointless, futile, expensive exercise that would mean nothing.

If the "second" referendum voted out then nothing changes.

If the "second" referendum voted remain then still nothing changes because we have triggered Article 50 and we are out.

There are some in the Government that don't seem to be able to grasp such a simple concept.

Actually they have.
It is clear a re-run of 2016 would be as you describe.

The vote that is developing in government circles is a three way Hard/Soft/Remain.

The disturbing part is that second preference will be taken into account.

You don't have to be a genius to work out the result will be against both Leavers and Remainers. But it does have the advantage that the government can claim the resultant mess the 'will of the people', even though you would be hard pressed to find anyone who voted for it.

[barney]

Should there ever be a rerun there can be only two questions. Agree the deal and leave or no deal and leave. Staying in is not an option as the majority have already voted to leave.

[Jack Staff]

But that does not solve the Conservatives problem.

[barney]

Both main parties have absolutely ruled out a second referendum. Full stop. It doesn't really matter what the agitators say. It's all irrelevant.

[Jack Staff]

So how else does the government get out of its' current predicament?

[towny44]

But that does not solve the Conservatives problem.

If seems fairly clear to me that none of the current crop of politicians is capable of running a jumble sale never mind a country. What we need is our very own 'Vlad the bad' Putin, someone that all other politicians fear, but wish they had the b***s to emulate, someone who would put the fear of death into the EU hierarchy and get us a real Brexit.

[Stephen]

But that does not solve the Conservatives problem.

If seems fairly clear to me that none of the current crop of politicians is capable of running a jumble sale never mind a country. What we need is our very own 'Vlad the bad' Putin, someone that all other politicians fear, but wish they had the b***s to emulate, someone who would put the fear of death into the EU hierarchy and get us a real Brexit.

[oldbluefox]

A once in a generation decision
The referendum on Thursday, 23rd June is your chance to decide
if we should remain in or leave the European Union.
The Government believes it is in the best interests of the UK
to remain in the EU.
This is the way to protect jobs, provide security, and strengthen
the UK’s economy for every family in this country – a clear path
into the future, in contrast to the uncertainty of leaving.
This is your decision. The Government will implement what
you decide.
It mentions nothing about a second referendum on this, the government's pro-Remain leaflet (which was funded by the taxpayer).

[oldbluefox]

If seems fairly clear to me that none of the current crop of politicians is capable of running a jumble sale never mind a country. What we need is our very own 'Vlad the bad' Putin, someone that all other politicians fear, but wish they had the b***s to emulate, someone who would put the fear of death into the EU hierarchy and get us a real Brexit.

I wonder if Mr D Trump would have been b*******g about with Juncker and his mates? Somehow I think not.

[Jack Staff]

It mentions nothing about a second referendum on this, the government's pro-Remain leaflet (which was funded by the taxpayer).

Do you have a better idea?

[barney]

The absolute irony of the situation is that the MPs who could/would not accept the decision are now pushing the country nearer and nearer to a disorderly WTO exit, which is what they feared in the first place.

Maybe the penny is now starting to drop.

Had the anti democrats had a little more enthusiasm in the begining and accepted the result, maybe there was a compromise to be had.

These people have played right onto Farage's hands.

The delusion that remaining was on the table has now passed in my opinion.
it's simply soft Brexit (May's plan) or hard Brexit (Rees-Mogg style)
Even Gina Miller admitted that on QT.

"What will it all look like?" she cried.
Well, we don't know do we?
We'll have to suck it and see.

Whatever happens, I doubt the world will end.

[Jack Staff]

May's plan never actually lived, apart from temporarily holding the Conservatives together (48 hours).

So hard Brexit it is then, but without a government .... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-44844107

So we crash and there is no one to call an ambulance!

[barney]

What ever happens I doubt that the world will end. Life will go on.

[Jack Staff]

What happened to the sunlit uplands?

[barney]

That will follow when you understand that the EU isn't the be all and end all of the world. It's a surely and slowly receding political failure.

[Jack Staff]

Well it's better than this governments surely and quickly receding political future!

[Mervyn and Trish]

But at least this is our government and if we don't like it we can get rid. Unlike the EU shambles which isn't even run by the elected MEPs

[Jack Staff]

But at least this is our government and if we don't like it we can get rid. Unlike the EU shambles which isn't even run by the elected MEPs

To which conspiracy theory do you refer?

[towny44]

But at least this is our government and if we don't like it we can get rid. Unlike the EU shambles which isn't even run by the elected MEPs

To which conspiracy theory do you refer?

I think you lost me there Jack, are you suggesting that Juncker and Tusk etc are not actually running the EU, or that MEPs do provide a useful service, other than to provide fodder for Farage's humorous put downs.

[Jack Staff]

But at least this is our government and if we don't like it we can get rid. Unlike the EU shambles which isn't even run by the elected MEPs

To which conspiracy theory do you refer?

I think you lost me there Jack, are you suggesting that Juncker and Tusk etc are not actually running the EU, or that MEPs do provide a useful service, other than to provide fodder for Farage's humorous put downs.

I am not suggesting anything.
I was merely trying to ascertain what Merv was suggesting.

[oldbluefox]

I've not a clue what Jack is talking about either. Merv's comment was quite clear to me.

[Jack Staff]

Sorry guys, you'll have to spell it out for me.

[towny44]

Sorry guys, you'll have to spell it out for me.

Sorry Jack we don't do spells on here, you need Harry Potter for that.