Brexit

[Mervyn and Trish]

But at least this is our government and if we don't like it we can get rid. Unlike the EU shambles which isn't even run by the elected MEPs

To which conspiracy theory do you refer?

I think you lost me there Jack, are you suggesting that Juncker and Tusk etc are not actually running the EU, or that MEPs do provide a useful service, other than to provide fodder for Farage's humorous put downs.

I am not suggesting anything.
I was merely trying to ascertain what Merv was suggesting.

Happy to help Jack. Just tell me which word you don't understand

[Jack Staff]

To which conspiracy theory do you refer?

I think you lost me there Jack, are you suggesting that Juncker and Tusk etc are not actually running the EU, or that MEPs do provide a useful service, other than to provide fodder for Farage's humorous put downs.

I am not suggesting anything.
I was merely trying to ascertain what Merv was suggesting.

Happy to help Jack. Just tell me which word you don't understand

Thank you Merv.
You can start by explaining "shambles" in this context.
Then please explain how our elected MP's run this country, when they take their orders from 'unelected' ministers (the whip).

Or are you saying our government is also a shambles, perhaps now you see my confusion.

[Jack Staff]

In this current air of explanations, can someone help me.

Guto Bebb (who?) has resigned tonight.

He has resigned so he could vote against tonight's amendment, which is against TM's deal, but now approved by No.10 to placate the Brexiters.

One of her Ministers has resigned to go against government policy to support her.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-44854892

Don't worry if you can't explain the death throes of this government.They can't either, but they have come up with a solution.
Run away!
They vote tomorrow to go into recess early, hopefully the biggest crises in British political history for decades will just go away by the time they come back.
Spoiler alert: It won't.

[Mervyn and Trish]

I think you lost me there Jack, are you suggesting that Juncker and Tusk etc are not actually running the EU, or that MEPs do provide a useful service, other than to provide fodder for Farage's humorous put downs.

I am not suggesting anything.
I was merely trying to ascertain what Merv was suggesting.

Happy to help Jack. Just tell me which word you don't understand

Thank you Merv.
You can start by explaining "shambles" in this context.
Then please explain how our elected MP's run this country, when they take their orders from 'unelected' ministers (the whip).

Or are you saying our government is also a shambles, perhaps now you see my confusion.

I you read again Jack you will see I was making no comment at all on the quality of our own government.

[towny44]

I think an early recess and sending all our government ministers away on holiday to remote areas without internet access might be a great idea. I have always maintained that Govts. that do nothing help our economy far more than ones that continually meddle.

[Mervyn and Trish]

I think an early recess and sending all our government ministers away on holiday to remote areas without internet access might be a great idea. I have always maintained that Govts. that do nothing help our economy far more than ones that continually meddle.

[Jack Staff]

I am not suggesting anything.
I was merely trying to ascertain what Merv was suggesting.

Happy to help Jack. Just tell me which word you don't understand

Thank you Merv.
You can start by explaining "shambles" in this context.
Then please explain how our elected MP's run this country, when they take their orders from 'unelected' ministers (the whip).

Or are you saying our government is also a shambles, perhaps now you see my confusion.

I you read again Jack you will see I was making no comment at all on the quality of our own government.

So what exactly were you saying?

[Mervyn and Trish]

Happy to help Jack. Just tell me which word you don't understand

Thank you Merv.
You can start by explaining "shambles" in this context.
Then please explain how our elected MP's run this country, when they take their orders from 'unelected' ministers (the whip).

Or are you saying our government is also a shambles, perhaps now you see my confusion.

I you read again Jack you will see I was making no comment at all on the quality of our own government.

So what exactly were you saying?

[Jack Staff]

Thank you Merv.
You can start by explaining "shambles" in this context.
Then please explain how our elected MP's run this country, when they take their orders from 'unelected' ministers (the whip).

Or are you saying our government is also a shambles, perhaps now you see my confusion.

I you read again Jack you will see I was making no comment at all on the quality of our own government.

So what exactly were you saying?

These words Merv...
" I think you lost me there Jack, are you suggesting that Juncker and Tusk etc are not actually running the EU, or that MEPs do provide a useful service, other than to provide fodder for Farage's humorous put downs"
In response to me saying "Well it's better than this governments surely and quickly receding political future!"
I made no mention of Juncker or Tusk and the idea of Farage saying anything of value, humorous or not is hilarious in itself!

[Jack Staff]

Sorry Merv, I've finally got it!
You are saying that Juncker and Tusk are doing their jobs.
Forgive me, I had assumed that you were still trying to push the Brexit falsehood that they were despots, bossing us around on their own initiative.

[barney]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40520218

I'd be willing to wager that the UK/Japan trade deal is concluded years before this one. Negotiations started in 2012.
Ceta was 'agreed' in 2017 but is yet to still be ratified by the member nations and Italy is already threatening veto.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/ceta/n ... ification/

But of course, everything is wonderful in La La land.

Tusk and Juncker do their jobs to the letter.
Their job is to be as protectionist as possible while discriminating against emerging economies, and keeping food prices artificially high for the citizens of Europe.
So, in this sense, they are right on the money.

Bizarrely, in the 'Japanese Deal' I can't find the section about paying millions for access and accepting millions of EU migrants.
But, that might be just for us.

[Jack Staff]

"Look at what you could have won" - Jim Bowen

I'll take that wager!

[towny44]

Jack, I think that we leavers have won hands down. If it's a hard brexit we will be happy even if the economy falters a bit, if it's a soft brexit or we end up not leaving we will never let you remainers have a day of peace as we constantly berate you for spoiling our fun.

[Jack Staff]

Jack, I think that we leavers have won hands down. If it's a hard brexit we will be happy even if the economy falters a bit, if it's a soft brexit or we end up not leaving we will never let you remainers have a day of peace as we constantly berate you for spoiling our fun.

John, I am afraid I agree with you. It is exactly the same for us remainers.

That is the problem with Brexit, it has ruined our country already. I'm not sure this country will ever recover, either way it goes.

[Stephen]

Nothing like a bit of doom and gloom.

[barney]

Jack, I think that we leavers have won hands down. If it's a hard brexit we will be happy even if the economy falters a bit, if it's a soft brexit or we end up not leaving we will never let you remainers have a day of peace as we constantly berate you for spoiling our fun.

John, I am afraid I agree with you. It is exactly the same for us remainers.

That is the problem with Brexit, it has ruined our country already. I'm not sure this country will ever recover, either way it goes.

I'm not sure where you live jack, but down here in Devon, everything seems pretty much the same.
Mind you, North Devon hasn't been ravaged by mass migration like Kent was.
When in town you hear the odd foreign language but it's pretty rare.
The vast majority of the staff in shops are local, the same in the coffee shops and pubs.

The dementia care home that my MIL is in is 100% British staff and they are brilliant to a fault.

Some might say I'm part of the 'white flight' but I know from a personal point of view where I'd rather be.
Having lived in London and the South East nearly all of my life, this seems like heaven.
We chuckle when the locals go on about traffic congestion down here

At least it's good to see that EU migration has fallen a bit due to Brexit but it was still plus 100,000 for last year.
Hopefully that trend will continue when we have left.
The government does need to get a grip of Non EU migration as well, but I'd prefer an Indian Doctor to a Romanian Roma beggar.

[Stephen]

Jack, I think that we leavers have won hands down. If it's a hard brexit we will be happy even if the economy falters a bit, if it's a soft brexit or we end up not leaving we will never let you remainers have a day of peace as we constantly berate you for spoiling our fun.

John, I am afraid I agree with you. It is exactly the same for us remainers.

That is the problem with Brexit, it has ruined our country already. I'm not sure this country will ever recover, either way it goes.

I'm not sure where you live jack, but down here in Devon, everything seems pretty much the same.
Mind you, North Devon hasn't been ravaged by mass migration like Kent was.
When in town you hear the odd foreign language but it's pretty rare.
The vast majority of the staff in shops are local, the same in the coffee shops and pubs.

The dementia care home that my MIL is in is 100% British staff and they are brilliant to a fault.

Some might say I'm part of the 'white flight' but I know from a personal point of view where I'd rather be.
Having lived in London and the South East nearly all of my life, this seems like heaven.
We chuckle when the locals go on about traffic congestion down here

At least it's good to see that EU migration has fallen a bit due to Brexit but it was still plus 100,000 for last year.
Hopefully that trend will continue when we have left.
The government does need to get a grip of Non EU migration as well, but I'd prefer an Indian Doctor to a Romanian Roma beggar.

Stop it barney, you're making me jealous

[Mervyn and Trish]

So the EU has signed a Free Trade deal with Japan eliminating tariffs on most goods. I understand Japan does not have to accept free movement of EU citizens, nor the jurisdiction of the EU courts, does not have to start using the Euro and has not been accused of cherry picking. Japan will continue to be free to do trade deals with other non-EU countries.

So I repeat an earlier question. If it is possible to do that, why is it so damn difficult to envisage a free trade deal with the EU for us, given that we are currently 100% aligned on all regulations, are the world's fifth largest economy and are next door neighbours?

The only credible reply would be spite.

[towny44]

So the EU has signed a Free Trade deal with Japan eliminating tariffs on most goods. I understand Japan does not have to accept free movement of EU citizens, nor the jurisdiction of the EU courts, does not have to start using the Euro and has not been accused of cherry picking. Japan will continue to be free to do trade deals with other non-EU countries.

So I repeat an earlier question. If it is possible to do that, why is it so damn difficult to envisage a free trade deal with the EU for us, given that we are currently 100% aligned on all regulations, are the world's fifth largest economy and are next door neighbours?

The only credible reply would be spite.

Not forgetting the loss of our contribution to keep the EU deficit down to (un)manageable levels.

[Mervyn and Trish]

So the EU has signed a Free Trade deal with Japan eliminating tariffs on most goods. I understand Japan does not have to accept free movement of EU citizens, nor the jurisdiction of the EU courts, does not have to start using the Euro and has not been accused of cherry picking. Japan will continue to be free to do trade deals with other non-EU countries.

So I repeat an earlier question. If it is possible to do that, why is it so damn difficult to envisage a free trade deal with the EU for us, given that we are currently 100% aligned on all regulations, are the world's fifth largest economy and are next door neighbours?

The only credible reply would be spite.

Not forgetting the loss of our contribution to keep the EU deficit down to (un)manageable levels.

Maybe they'll ask Japan to chip in?

[Jack Staff]

It's the same reason Japan will not offer us the same deal as the EU.

"Look at what you could have won" - Jim Bowen

[towny44]

Do enlighten us Jack but make sure you give us an accurate comment and not the usual remain fake news.

[screwy]

It's the same reason Japan will not offer us the same deal as the EU.

"Look at what you could have won" - Jim Bowen

What reason is that.??

[Jack Staff]

Taoiseach:

“If they want their planes to fly over our skies, they would need to take that into account. You can’t have your cake and eat it. You can’t take back your waters and then expect to take back other people’s sky.”

[towny44]

Taoiseach:

“If they want their planes to fly over our skies, they would need to take that into account. You can’t have your cake and eat it. You can’t take back your waters and then expect to take back other people’s sky.”

All sounds a bit Irish to me!
By the way does he know that very few planes leaving the UK go anywhere near Ireland, the route to the US goes over Scotland.