Brexit

[Jack Staff]

At the end of the day multinational companies rule the world and if anyone thinks that trading will be adversely affected due to us leaving the EU then l think they are misguided. These greedy often unscrupulous companies turn the wheels of world economy and in doing so answer to no one but themselves.....Their influence can move mountains so a few little barriers imposed by EU bureaucrats (tarifs, etc) won't be an obstacle that can't be got around.

Just in case l am wrong l'll be stocking up the freezers because the one thing me and multinational companies have in common is that we're both greedy and look after ourselves.

So we have gone from "The sunlit uplands" to every man for himself.

As a proportion of our electricity comes from the continent, freezers offer no guarantee.

[Stephen]

At the end of the day multinational companies rule the world and if anyone thinks that trading will be adversely affected due to us leaving the EU then l think they are misguided. These greedy often unscrupulous companies turn the wheels of world economy and in doing so answer to no one but themselves.....Their influence can move mountains so a few little barriers imposed by EU bureaucrats (tarifs, etc) won't be an obstacle that can't be got around.

Just in case l am wrong l'll be stocking up the freezers because the one thing me and multinational companies have in common is that we're both greedy and look after ourselves.

So we have gone from "The sunlit uplands" to every man for himself.

As a proportion of our electricity comes from the continent, freezers offer no guarantee.

Very good Jack

[barney]

Jack seems convinced that after we have left there will be no trade between the UK and the continent of Europe.

[towny44]

Jack seems very much like the media, never happier than when predicting impending disaster.

[oldbluefox]

Jack seems convinced that after we have left there will be no trade between the UK and the continent of Europe.

Don't burst the Remain bubble barney!!!

[Jack Staff]

Can someone name ANY trade deal with ANYONE we have for April 2019?

[towny44]

Can someone name ANY trade deal with ANYONE we have for April 2019?

I thought we were not allowed (by that wondrous institution the EU) to sign any trade deals until after we leave, which I believe is end of March 2019.

[Onelife]

At the end of the day multinational companies rule the world and if anyone thinks that trading will be adversely affected due to us leaving the EU then l think they are misguided. These greedy often unscrupulous companies turn the wheels of world economy and in doing so answer to no one but themselves.....Their influence can move mountains so a few little barriers imposed by EU bureaucrats (tarifs, etc) won't be an obstacle that can't be got around.

Just in case l am wrong l'll be stocking up the freezers because the one thing me and multinational companies have in common is that we're both greedy and look after ourselves.

So we have gone from "The sunlit uplands" to every man for himself.

As a proportion of our electricity comes from the continent, freezers offer no guarantee.

Everything is powered by money Jack so don't be fretting about being cut off anytime soon.

[Jack Staff]

Everything is powered by money Jack so don't be fretting about being cut off anytime soon.

The old they need us more than we need them line eh? Dream on.

[Jack Staff]

Can someone name ANY trade deal with ANYONE we have for April 2019?

I thought we were not allowed (by that wondrous institution the EU) to sign any trade deals until after we leave, which I believe is end of March 2019.

So none then.

[oldbluefox]

Stands to reason if our EU friends do not allow us to sign trade deals until after we leave none will be signed.

[Jack Staff]

Stands to reason if our EU friends do not allow us to sign trade deals until after we leave none will be signed.

The point is we currently trade as a member of the EU.

We will have NO trade deals AT ALL in April, when/if we leave.

We might get one with the EU reasonably quickly, (though not on current evidence), but what about all the other deals we lose overnight?

But that's OK, we go to WTO. An organisation that works on the consensus of members. There are currently eight countries opposing our schedules, including the US, Australia and NZ.

Brilliant.

[Ray Scully]

Jack

Does all this mean I shall have to cancel our vacation to the "sunny uplands"

[Jack Staff]

Jack

Does all this mean I shall have to cancel our vacation to the "sunny uplands"

I would. I hear there aren't actually any unicorns there anyway

[Onelife]

Hi Jack,

I don't know who needs whom more but the whole point of the Brexit result is that we now have the chance to make decisions that reflect the way we want our country to be run. Staying inside the EU block was never an option for me because even though we are one of the biggest subscribers to the EU we were gradually being left out on the fringes where decision making was concerned....can't remember where l read this, but out of 28 uk recommendations put forward to the EU only one was accepted.

The way this country was going we would have become subservient to the whims of the EU dictators and in time become powerless to do otherwise.

P.s check out 'Bikold' if you want some good deals for your chest freezer

[towny44]

Stands to reason if our EU friends do not allow us to sign trade deals until after we leave none will be signed.

The point is we currently trade as a member of the EU.

We will have NO trade deals AT ALL in April, when/if we leave.

We might get one with the EU reasonably quickly, (though not on current evidence), but what about all the other deals we lose overnight?

But that's OK, we go to WTO. An organisation that works on the consensus of members. There are currently eight countries opposing our schedules, including the US, Australia and NZ.

Brilliant.

Jack, why do you assume that every country that currently trades with us under EU trade rules will suddenly be happy to see all their exports to the UK disappear? I would imagine that as an interim arrangement, at least, they will all be keen to sign up to an EU equivalence trade deal, and I very much hope that Liam's team are already preparing these.

[Jack Staff]

Jack, why do you assume that every country that currently trades with us under EU trade rules will suddenly be happy to see all their exports to the UK disappear? I would imagine that as an interim arrangement, at least, they will all be keen to sign up to an EU equivalence trade deal, and I very much hope that Liam's team are already preparing these.

Because John, if we leave countries around the world will lose that bit of trade they do with us, when we have lost everything.
Other countries will rightly see us as desperate, so we will be screwed. Someone called it 'The art of the deal'.

[oldbluefox]

Jack, why do you assume that every country that currently trades with us under EU trade rules will suddenly be happy to see all their exports to the UK disappear? I would imagine that as an interim arrangement, at least, they will all be keen to sign up to an EU equivalence trade deal, and I very much hope that Liam's team are already preparing these.

Because John, if we leave countries around the world will lose that bit of trade they do with us, when we have lost everything.
Other countries will rightly see us as desperate, so we will be screwed. Someone called it 'The art of the deal'.

Jack, I'm not sure ypu have really answered John's question. He wanted to know "why do you assume that every country that currently trades with us under EU trade rules will suddenly be happy to see all their exports to the UK disappear?" I took it to mean countries within the EU especially the likes of Germany, France, Spain and Italy amongst others.

[Ray Scully]

Doubtless a trading partner the size of the EU will have some leverage/influence/ clout when it comes to those countries already with EU trade agreements looking at bilateral deals with the UK. No it doesn't get any easier.

[Gill W]

Every time I look at this thread, the more I want to bang my head on my desk.

Yes we still want to trade with the world.

Yes, the world will still want to trade with us (hopefully)

However, as at today a 'no deal' scenario is extremely possible.

In that scenario, only about seven and a half months away, will all the agreements, deals, infrastructure and staffing be in place to allow things to continue as normal from day one?

As nobody knows what the HELL is going to happen yet, the authorities, councils and businesses are going to struggle to prepare for whatever is going to happen

Therefore, I think it is likely that there will be some sort of disruption. After all, when something new is implemented, there are always problems - why should Brexit be any different?

I think some people need to get their heads out of their ideologies, and just think practically for a while.

I hope I'm wrong and it all goes smoothly. But, after two years of total government ineptitude, I think it could be a train wreck.

I'm making my preparations, for something that the government seems hell bent on inflicting us. I hope some of you aren't caught out next March.

[Jack Staff]

Jack, I'm not sure ypu have really answered John's question. He wanted to know "why do you assume that every country that currently trades with us under EU trade rules will suddenly be happy to see all their exports to the UK disappear?" I took it to mean countries within the EU especially the likes of Germany, France, Spain and Italy amongst others.

We currently trade worldwide under EU trade rules. We lose all of that.

But thinking specifically of the EU, if we leave and if we do get a deal it will not be as good as what we have now. Therefore there will be less trade.

All the same conditions apply in that Germany, France, Spain and Italy amongst others will lose a small proportion of their global trade deals, whereas we lose the lot.

[Jack Staff]

Every time I look at this thread, the more I want to bang my head on my desk.

Yes we still want to trade with the world.

Yes, the world will still want to trade with us (hopefully)

However, as at today a 'no deal' scenario is extremely possible.

In that scenario, only about seven and a half months away, will all the agreements, deals, infrastructure and staffing be in place to allow things to continue as normal from day one?

As nobody knows what the HELL is going to happen yet, the authorities, councils and businesses are going to struggle to prepare for whatever is going to happen

Therefore, I think it is likely that there will be some sort of disruption. After all, when something new is implemented, there are always problems - why should Brexit be any different?

I think some people need to get their heads out of their ideologies, and just think practically for a while.

I hope I'm wrong and it all goes smoothly. But, after two years of total government ineptitude, I think it could be a train wreck.

I'm making my preparations, for something that the government seems hell bent on inflicting us. I hope some of you aren't caught out next March.

Well said Gill.

[barney]

I'll try to explain how it is working.

There are about 100 trade agreements between the EU and third countries. This is excluding the free trade deals that have either been done, or are being negotiated.
All of these trade agreements carry some sort of tariff or quota and some have restrictions.

Our Civil Servants have been, for about the last year, speaking with these trading countries to ascertain whether they would like to continue with the same arrangement after March 2019.
Some would, and some of them want to renegotiate.
So, the ones that are happy with the current arrangements will simply copy and past in to include the UK instead of the EU.
They may want to change tings in the future but for now, are happy.
The others want to do more trade with the UK, both imports and exports and without tariffs or quotas.
This requires further attention but I'm informed that most should be in situ by March 2019, ready to sign off.
A few won't be, but that's life.
None of these countries want to lose their very lucrative trade with the UK.
We are a major player

So, for an example, Morocco has a trade agreement with the EU. This agreement will be a simple copy and paste and they will have the same terms with the UK.
Don't worry, you will still be able to buy Moroccan dates in Tesco.

Seriously, what do the Anti Democrats think that DexEU has been doing since article 50 was sent to Brussels.
Because you don't hear much, don't assume that it is not being done.

[barney]

Every time I look at this thread, the more I want to bang my head on my desk.

Yes we still want to trade with the world.

Yes, the world will still want to trade with us (hopefully)

However, as at today a 'no deal' scenario is extremely possible.

In that scenario, only about seven and a half months away, will all the agreements, deals, infrastructure and staffing be in place to allow things to continue as normal from day one?

As nobody knows what the HELL is going to happen yet, the authorities, councils and businesses are going to struggle to prepare for whatever is going to happen

Therefore, I think it is likely that there will be some sort of disruption. After all, when something new is implemented, there are always problems - why should Brexit be any different?

I think some people need to get their heads out of their ideologies, and just think practically for a while.

I hope I'm wrong and it all goes smoothly. But, after two years of total government ineptitude, I think it could be a train wreck.

I'm making my preparations, for something that the government seems hell bent on inflicting us. I hope some of you aren't caught out next March.

I recognise your concerns Gill, but that is not Brexit's fault, that is the fault of Teresa May.
She has fudged and bodged since day one.
She is 100% responsible.

[Gill W]

I recognise your concerns Gill, but that is not Brexit's fault, that is the fault of Teresa May.
She has fudged and bodged since day one.
She is 100% responsible.

I acknowledged the governments role in this debacle, and agree that May is largely responsible for the situation we find ourselves now.However, I don't think any of our current crop of politicians (in any party) would have been capable as PM, in untying all our bonds of 40 years with the EU in 2 short years.

What I do know is that if we weren't Brexiting, we wouldn't be in this rather ridiculous position.