Robbers and Post Boxes

[Gill W]

Quite simply no and no. As I said the question was 'I can see the resemblance, can you?' as opposed to the questions you have just asked and to which I have given my answers.

Thank you - a straight answer to a straight question

[Gill W]

A motor cycle helmet isn't a religious garment?

I am not certain that the Hijab, burka or anything similar could be classed as religious, it appears to be designed to stop men from letching over the womenfolk, if it was only worn when they attended the mosque then it might be deemed to have a religious significance.

My Moslem friend who I used to work with wouldn't be seen dead outside her house without her hijab. For her its nothing to do with men letching over her - it is her choice to wear her scarf. Her dad or her brother aren't forcing her to do it. One of her sisters never wears a hijab

I don't think it's an issue over the wearing of the hijab but rather over the niqab and the burka both of which cover the face. There is no religious requirement to wear either of those as I understand it.

I think it depends on what source you read, but it does seem to be an Islamic cultural thing. I think that faces should not be covered in security situations. However, if a woman wishes a burka whilst going about her daily life, we are a tolerant Society, and I think its fine for her to do so. Different matter if she's being 'forced' to wear it though.

I've noticed that many peoples objections are because it makes them feel intimidated, rather than what its like for the woman wearing it, and whether she wants to or not

[Stephen]

I personally think a Boris is right and just telling what most people already think. And if it upsets a few bleeding hearts so be it.

What if it upsets Moslem women who wear a burka? It can't be very nice to be described as a 'letter box'? Would you like It if Johnson ridiculed at middle aged men and and compared them to an inanimate object?

Only he wouldn't do that would he, what with being a middle aged man himself

Boris is not alone in his thinking Gill, allot of other countries have actually banned them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burqa

The irony of it all is, that he was actually saying that burkas SHOULDN'T be banned.

You didn't answer my question, is it ok to for Johnson compare a minority group of women to an inanimate object, thus dehumanising them?

Gill, I'm pretty sure his remark was about the garment not the person inside.

[Onelife]

The art of communication is primarily one of speech and facial expressions so it stand to reason that those who choose, or are forced to wear them are being segregated from society. The question as to how a ban should/could be implemented is perhaps a more challenging question. From my perspective l would like to see a much more secular society where by the wearing of all religious garments are kept behind closed doors, be it churches, mosques or whatever.

[Onelife]

A motor cycle helmet isn't a religious garment?

I am not certain that the Hijab, burka or anything similar could be classed as religious, it appears to be designed to stop men from letching over the womenfolk, if it was only worn when they attended the mosque then it might be deemed to have a religious significance.

My Moslem friend who I used to work with wouldn't be seen dead outside her house without her hijab. For her its nothing to do with men letching over her - it is her choice to wear her scarf. Her dad or her brother aren't forcing her to do it. One of her sisters never wears a hijab

I don't think it's an issue over the wearing of the hijab but rather over the niqab and the burka both of which cover the face. There is no religious requirement to wear either of those as I understand it.

Hi OBF. .....from what l have read you are right....the problem however is how religious text is interpretated by those who wish to control.

[oldbluefox]

Interestingly Bradford, The Royal London Hospital, Whipp's Cross,St Bart's, Wrightington, Wigan and Leigh Hospitals "have policies in place outlining that face coverings should not be worn when delivering patient care in order to aid communication and minimise infection risks". (NHS Employers website).
Similarly "The Quran does not specifically mention the burqa or tell women to wear such extremely confining clothes".
"God never commanded women to cover their faces....... Naturally the woman's beauty, which God is speaking about, is the beauty of her face. If the Burqa was a command from God then the words in 33:52 would become meaningless and obsolete". (Source: http://www.quran-islam.org/articles/par ... 1357).html).
I have no problem with the hijab, the cross, the kippah, nun's habit or any other religious clothing but in my opinion face covering is not an acceptable part of our culture, just as immodest clothing is not accepted within many Islamic cultures.

[towny44]

Anyway back to Boris I do hope that, whatever the pressures or sanctions imposed upon him, he has the courage of his convictions and refuses to apologise. If not then I fear the pc brigade will once again have won and pretty soon no person in the public eye will be prepared to say anything, which for some politicians might be a good thing, but not in Boris's case.

[Gill W]

What if it upsets Moslem women who wear a burka? It can't be very nice to be described as a 'letter box'? Would you like It if Johnson ridiculed at middle aged men and and compared them to an inanimate object?

Only he wouldn't do that would he, what with being a middle aged man himself

Boris is not alone in his thinking Gill, allot of other countries have actually banned them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burqa

The irony of it all is, that he was actually saying that burkas SHOULDN'T be banned.

You didn't answer my question, is it ok to for Johnson compare a minority group of women to an inanimate object, thus dehumanising them?

Gill, I'm pretty sure his remark was about the garment not the person inside.

He said Moslem women wearing burkas 'look like letter boxes' That's a comment about women, not the garment.

You seem unwilling to answer my straight question. I will leave it here. But will have to draw my own conclusions

[Stephen]

Boris is not alone in his thinking Gill, allot of other countries have actually banned them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burqa

The irony of it all is, that he was actually saying that burkas SHOULDN'T be banned.

You didn't answer my question, is it ok to for Johnson compare a minority group of women to an inanimate object, thus dehumanising them?

Gill, I'm pretty sure his remark was about the garment not the person inside.

He said Moslem women wearing burkas 'look like letter boxes' That's a comment about women, not the garment.

You seem unwilling to answer my straight question. I will leave it here. But will have to draw my own conclusions

If the cap fits, wear it.

[towny44]

What Boris said was "Why would people choose to go around looking like letterboxes ", which to me is a comment about their choice of clothing and not necessarily about them as individuals.

[Onelife]

I think all those demanding that Boris should apologies would be better off spending their time protesting against the brutality inflicted on Iran women who don't adhere to the strict "seventy lashes and counting" face covering dress code.

Allowing Muslim women to go about their business dressed up as robbers and letter boxes sends a clear message to all the oppressed women around the world that our country is tolorent of such practices.....at least Muslin women in this country have Sharia law to protect them.