Brexit

[Onelife]

Hi Jack.....Thank you.

You have raised an important issue here Jack, one that l hadn't considered.
As you say we are relient on other countries, inside and outside of the EU to supply our power needs, should we crash out of the EU this could cause major problems, not only from the supply implementations but also making us vulnerable to imported energy price rises.

In the short term we'll need to do some pretty good negotiating.... and stock up on candles, long term we will need to invest in renewable and nuclear energy and pile up the logs.

Regards

Keith

Wow !! this is frightening and ironically will hit us old folk worse many of whom voted to Brexit

Hi Ray.........If you can afford to cruise, you can afford a log burner

[Stephen]

Hi Gill,

Just before you take a break from this thread l would just like to say l have read all of your posts and whilst l hope we are right, and as you say, you hope you are wrong....l respect your opinion.

Regards

keith

Crawler

[Onelife]

I've got enough in my freezer to see me through the first 6 months ….

Dare I suggest ' OL ' that you re-read your Freezer User Guide else buy a book about storing frozen products and / or freezing fresh produce as apart from Beef very little of the contents of an average freezer should be stored for an extensive period … just saying.

We have never had much of a problem with the shelf life of freezer contents, despite them having obsolete use by dates.

The same here towny, it may go a little green round the edges but l ain't had a bad tummy yet!

[Stephen]

I've got enough in my freezer to see me through the first 6 months ….

Dare I suggest ' OL ' that you re-read your Freezer User Guide else buy a book about storing frozen products and / or freezing fresh produce as apart from Beef very little of the contents of an average freezer should be stored for an extensive period … just saying.

I think 3 months is the norm, but then we are talking about Onelife

[Onelife]

Hi Gill,

Just before you take a break from this thread l would just like to say l have read all of your posts and whilst l hope we are right, and as you say, you hope you are wrong....l respect your opinion.

Regards

keith

Crawler

Hi Stephen.......l can understand where you are coming from but give me some credit........It has taken years to perfect

[Jack Staff]

Jack, regardless of the PCI do you seriously believe that major EU power companies, some of whom own UK power suppliers, are going to stand idly by and see the opportunities to profit from sales between the EU and UK lost because of EU red tape. I doubt it very much, but of course its suits the remain camp to flag up every potential issue of this sort, in the hope that saps, see what I did there, like you believe it.

There is no "red tape" at present. We are creating it by leaving the EU.
The companies may want to sell us Electricity and gas, but with no trade deal???? How does WTO handle that? But we can't use WTO anyway because of NI.

"in the hope that saps, see what I did there, like you believe it."
I think you are a little confused and maybe a little paranoid. You were talking about Y2K and Europe's largest software company. That company is SAP, you might have meant Dassault or Sage perhaps, I was interested. I just wanted to clarify that. You just wanted to insult. Hey ho.

[Onelife]

Hi Jack.....There are always positives to be had should the lights go out....We will be the first country to start talking to each other again other than that of social media

P.s l can supply you with the name of a good log burner company should you so wish?

[Jack Staff]

Hi Jack.....There are always positives to be had should the lights go out....We will be the first country to start talking to each other again other than that of social media

P.s l can supply you with the name of a good log burner company should you so wish?

I'll stick with my Clearview, but thanks for the thought.

[barney]

So how long are we likely to have food shortages? And would workable tariffs make food very expensive?

What is the alternative?

The workable alternative GP, is to have a tariff free trade agreement with the EU.
The UK says it wants one, the EU says it wants one.
The UK does not want any border infrastructure on the island of Ireland.
Nor does the EU, apparently.

It is only the political dogma of the institution of the EU that is stopping this happening.
With good will and common sense on both sides, there SHOULD be no problems.
The problem lies in the EU's redlines of their so called four freedoms.
Barnier said that you can't have the good bits (trade) without the bad bits (free movement of people)

Personally, I don't see why not.
Other independent countries agree trade deals without free movement even being mentioned.

Ultimately, it will go one way or the other.
In my humble opinion, I think that the UK will leave at the end of March without any agreements and we will trade on basic WTO terms until or if an agreement can be reached.
I cannot be seen to be too easy to leave the EU or they will be queuing up.
It seems that the EU can only hold their member nations together by fear of the alternative.

What does that mean for the UK and the EU?
Well, the truth is, no one really knows because it's never been done before.
But, if a country never did anything because it's too difficult, there is a good chance that you and I would be speaking German now, not English.

The only thing to fear is fear itself.

[Onelife]

I'm sure our businesses are getting very worried about the prospect of a clean break from Europe, but of course the same applies to countries inside the EU Block. This leads me to belive now is the time to start a propaganda drive thus putting presure on those countries which have most to lose. European fishermen rely heavily on fishing our waters.....They are now putting presure on their respective counties to strike a balanced deal due to the drastic impact on their fishing industries...We need to drive home a no deal means much tighter controls over our waters.

Germany, France, Republic of Ireland, Sweden, etc all have a lot to lose if we don't get what we want...We need to drive home this message to the people of theses countries.

Anyone got a plane?...l'm thinking of doing a leaflet drop.

[oldbluefox]

Barney and Onelife get my vote!!! Unfortunately politicians are not known for applying simple common sense.

[Jack Staff]

So how long are we likely to have food shortages? And would workable tariffs make food very expensive?

What is the alternative?

The workable alternative GP, is to have a tariff free trade agreement with the EU.
The UK says it wants one, the EU says it wants one.
The UK does not want any border infrastructure on the island of Ireland.
Nor does the EU, apparently.

It is only the political dogma of the institution of the EU that is stopping this happening.

No, because that is exactly what we have right now.
It is the fantasy Brexit dreamers that is stopping this continuing.

With good will and common sense on both sides, there SHOULD be no problems.

I have witnessed zero good will from Brexiters towards the EU so far.

The problem lies in the EU's redlines of their so called four freedoms.

They are the four freedoms. They are not "so called".

Barnier said that you can't have the good bits (trade) without the bad bits (free movement of people)

I do not find moving freely bad at all and you want to take that right away from me.

Personally, I don't see why not.
Other independent countries agree trade deals without free movement even being mentioned.

I think you will find India and Australia did.

Ultimately, it will go one way or the other.
In my humble opinion, I think that the UK will leave at the end of March without any agreements and we will trade on basic WTO terms until or if an agreement can be reached.

We can't.

I cannot be seen to be too easy to leave the EU or they will be queuing up.
It seems that the EU can only hold their member nations together by fear of the alternative.

Not only that. It is the benefits we all currently enjoy.

What does that mean for the UK and the EU?
Well, the truth is, no one really knows because it's never been done before.
But, if a country never did anything because it's too difficult, there is a good chance that you and I would be speaking German now, not English.

The only thing to fear is fear itself.

Strains of Land of Hope and Glory fade up, as Barney stares wistfully up into the distance.

[oldbluefox]

Don't let common sense get in the way of a good argument.

[Onelife]

So how long are we likely to have food shortages? And would workable tariffs make food very expensive?

What is the alternative?

The workable alternative GP, is to have a tariff free trade agreement with the EU.
The UK says it wants one, the EU says it wants one.
The UK does not want any border infrastructure on the island of Ireland.
Nor does the EU, apparently.

It is only the political dogma of the institution of the EU that is stopping this happening.

No, because that is exactly what we have right now.

No, Jack, what we have now is a failing EU institution that is fighting for its future.....We are the hope and aspiration of many who want to follow.



It is the fantasy Brexit dreamers that is stopping this continuing.

With good will and common sense on both sides, there SHOULD be no problems.

I have witnessed zero good will from Brexiters towards the EU so far.

The problem lies in the EU's redlines of their so called four freedoms.

They are the four freedoms. They are not "so called".

Barnier said that you can't have the good bits (trade) without the bad bits (free movement of people)

I do not find moving freely bad at all and you want to take that right away from me.

Personally, I don't see why not.
Other independent countries agree trade deals without free movement even being mentioned.

I think you will find India and Australia did.

Ultimately, it will go one way or the other.
In my humble opinion, I think that the UK will leave at the end of March without any agreements and we will trade on basic WTO terms until or if an agreement can be reached.

We can't.

I cannot be seen to be too easy to leave the EU or they will be queuing up.
It seems that the EU can only hold their member nations together by fear of the alternative.

Not only that. It is the benefits we all currently enjoy.

What does that mean for the UK and the EU?
Well, the truth is, no one really knows because it's never been done before.
But, if a country never did anything because it's too difficult, there is a good chance that you and I would be speaking German now, not English.

The only thing to fear is fear itself.

Strains of Land of Hope and Glory fade up, as Barney stares wistfully up into the distance.

[Jack Staff]

No, Jack, what we have now is a failing EU institution that is fighting for its future.....We are the hope and aspiration of many who want to follow.

I would be interested in your evidence of that statement. Especially as the BoE is currently shifting UK reserves to €.

[Onelife]

No, Jack, what we have now is a failing EU institution that is fighting for its future.....We are the hope and aspiration of many who want to follow.

I would be interested in your evidence of that statement. Especially as the BoE is currently shifting UK reserves to €.

Ah... the same anti brexit BoE that are now eating humble pie over their brexit predictions?


The evidence is written on their faces.......They are sh*ting themselves.

[Jack Staff]

No, Jack, what we have now is a failing EU institution that is fighting for its future.....We are the hope and aspiration of many who want to follow.

I would be interested in your evidence of that statement. Especially as the BoE is currently shifting UK reserves to €.

Ah... the same anti brexit BoE that are now eating humble pie over their brexit predictions?


The evidence is written on their faces.......They are sh*ting themselves.

The BoE made some predictions, yes. Then because of those predictions they did something about it to avoid the very bad stuff they predicted. They did their job. It cost the country a lot (QE), but the worst of the initial Brexit shock was avoided.

But the real Brexit shock is to come, hence they are again doing their job by placing the reserves in a stable currency. I'm sure they are saying they are being prudent, rather than sh*tting themselves.

It is the UK that is fighting for it's future. If Brexit continues there will be no United Kingdom.

[Mervyn and Trish]

If you read the story carefully Jack it is foreign reserves they are shifting towards Euros from Dollars. Has nothing to do with Pounds or Brexit. More about Trump.

[Jack Staff]

If you read the story carefully Jack it is foreign reserves they are shifting towards Euros from Dollars. Has nothing to do with Pounds or Brexit. More about Trump.

Yeah, because the £ is doing so well at the moment.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Nothing to do with the Pound Jack. It's about Foreign currency reserves.

[towny44]

No, Jack, what we have now is a failing EU institution that is fighting for its future.....We are the hope and aspiration of many who want to follow.

I would be interested in your evidence of that statement. Especially as the BoE is currently shifting UK reserves to €.

Ah... the same anti brexit BoE that are now eating humble pie over their brexit predictions?


The evidence is written on their faces.......They are sh*ting themselves.

The BoE made some predictions, yes. Then because of those predictions they did something about it to avoid the very bad stuff they predicted. They did their job. It cost the country a lot (QE), but the worst of the initial Brexit shock was avoided.

But the real Brexit shock is to come, hence they are again doing their job by placing the reserves in a stable currency. I'm sure they are saying they are being prudent, rather than sh*tting themselves.

It is the UK that is fighting for it's future. If Brexit continues there will be no United Kingdom.

Jack, if you genuinely believe that the UK is in such a dire situation because we are leaving the EU, and that things are going to get far worse, I do wonder why you are still here and have not decided to take advantage of the EU free movement of labour, while you still can. You could up sticks to somewhere on the continent or,If language is the problem, you could decamp to Ireland, and maybe await the 3 junior countries of the UK joining you in the sunny uplands of the Federal Republics of Europe.

[Jack Staff]

I would be interested in your evidence of that statement. Especially as the BoE is currently shifting UK reserves to €.

Ah... the same anti brexit BoE that are now eating humble pie over their brexit predictions?


The evidence is written on their faces.......They are sh*ting themselves.

The BoE made some predictions, yes. Then because of those predictions they did something about it to avoid the very bad stuff they predicted. They did their job. It cost the country a lot (QE), but the worst of the initial Brexit shock was avoided.

But the real Brexit shock is to come, hence they are again doing their job by placing the reserves in a stable currency. I'm sure they are saying they are being prudent, rather than sh*tting themselves.

It is the UK that is fighting for it's future. If Brexit continues there will be no United Kingdom.

Jack, if you genuinely believe that the UK is in such a dire situation because we are leaving the EU, and that things are going to get far worse, I do wonder why you are still here and have not decided to take advantage of the EU free movement of labour, while you still can. You could up sticks to somewhere on the continent or,If language is the problem, you could decamp to Ireland, and maybe await the 3 junior countries of the UK joining you in the sunny uplands of the Federal Republics of Europe.

Yes, but I would have to come back next year because of what you have done, wouldn't I?

[Jack Staff]

Nothing to do with the Pound Jack. It's about Foreign currency reserves.

Why not to £'s then?

[towny44]

Nothing to do with the Pound Jack. It's about Foreign currency reserves.

Why not to £'s then?

I don't think you have quite grasped the meaning of Foreign currency reserves Jack!!!

[towny44]

Yes, but I would have to come back next year because of what you have done, wouldn't I?

Only if we let you.