Brexit

[Ray Scully]

Don't you worry Barney I am sure I am doing the worry for many. Mainly the less affluent among us who can not afford to take any sort of hit, having already been screwed paying for the banking fiasco.

[Jack Staff]

The farce is strong with this one.

[Golden Princess]

So bacon for our BLT will be ok. But at what price? And what about the lettuce and tomatoes? Will we only be able to afford a BLT when salad crops are in season? And a BLT is the least of my worries.

[Jack Staff]

So bacon for our BLT will be ok. But at what price? And what about the lettuce and tomatoes? Will we only be able to afford a BLT when salad crops are in season? And a BLT is the least of my worries.

"Hormone enriched" bacon. How much wheat do we grow here?

[Golden Princess]

I hadnt even thought about the bread/rolls.

We havent even left yet and things are looking bad. How long will this go on for? And for what?

[Gill W]

So bacon for our BLT will be ok. But at what price? And what about the lettuce and tomatoes? Will we only be able to afford a BLT when salad crops are in season? And a BLT is the least of my worries.

I'm not sure how anyone could have been reassured by Raab, staring like a sweaty rabbit caught in the spotlights, joking about BLTs. This was only the first batch of the 'technical notices', heaven knows what delights await us in the next batch.

I really don't see how any sane person couldn't have some worries about what's ahead, so I'm somewhat flummoxed by Barney's stance.

[Gill W]

I hadnt even thought about the bread/rolls.

We havent even left yet and things are looking bad. How long will this go on for? And for what?

I've had a bread maker for about 3 years, and already make many of my loaves, rolls and pizza bases, so I'm stocking up on bread flour and yeast. Even if there's a deal, there's no guarantee that everything will run completely smoothly from 'day 1', so I intend to have a month's worth of food in the house, so I don't have to go to the shops unless necessary. If a month's worth of food isn't sufficient, then we'll be totally screwed anyway.

I know the 'jolly boys' on this thread will guffaw and hoot and dig each other in the ribs at my actions, but I couldn't give a stuff what they think. I'm doing what I think is necessary. I hope I'm wrong about this, but I've seen and heard nothing recently to give me cause for hope.

If I'm right and the Jolly Boys are wrong, I hope they'll be man enough to accept the 'sh*t show they backed, and own their part in it, and not look to blame other people.

I'm speaking much more bluntly than I would normally, but I think the time has come for plain speaking.

[Stephen]

I hadnt even thought about the bread/rolls.

We havent even left yet and things are looking bad. How long will this go on for? And for what?

I've had a bread maker for about 3 years, and already make many of my loaves, rolls and pizza bases, so I'm stocking up on bread flour and yeast. Even if there's a deal, there's no guarantee that everything will run completely smoothly from 'day 1', so I intend to have a month's worth of food in the house, so I don't have to go to the shops unless necessary. If a month's worth of food isn't sufficient, then we'll be totally screwed anyway.

I know the 'jolly boys' on this thread will guffaw and hoot and dig each other in the ribs at my actions, but I couldn't give a stuff what they think. I'm doing what I think is necessary. I hope I'm wrong about this, but I've seen and heard nothing recently to give me cause for hope.

If I'm right and the Jolly Boys are wrong, I hope they'll be man enough to accept the 'sh*t show they backed, and own their part in it, and not look to blame other people.

I'm speaking much more bluntly than I would normally, but I think the time has come for plain speaking.

I'm not sure but I think Gill means you Onelife

[towny44]

Not sure how jolly boys are supposed to man up? But we now know where to come for bread rolls, if of course Gill is right and Barney and the rest of us Jolly Boys are wrong.

[barney]

I hadnt even thought about the bread/rolls.

We havent even left yet and things are looking bad. How long will this go on for? And for what?

I've had a bread maker for about 3 years, and already make many of my loaves, rolls and pizza bases, so I'm stocking up on bread flour and yeast. Even if there's a deal, there's no guarantee that everything will run completely smoothly from 'day 1', so I intend to have a month's worth of food in the house, so I don't have to go to the shops unless necessary. If a month's worth of food isn't sufficient, then we'll be totally screwed anyway.

I know the 'jolly boys' on this thread will guffaw and hoot and dig each other in the ribs at my actions, but I couldn't give a stuff what they think. I'm doing what I think is necessary. I hope I'm wrong about this, but I've seen and heard nothing recently to give me cause for hope.

If I'm right and the Jolly Boys are wrong, I hope they'll be man enough to accept the 'sh*t show they backed, and own their part in it, and not look to blame other people.

I'm speaking much more bluntly than I would normally, but I think the time has come for plain speaking.

I think that we can almost guarantee that all will not run smoothly from day one Gill.
It will take some time for us, the EU countries and the world, to get used to the new situation.
When we joined the EEC, we abandoned our natural allies, who had backed us through thick and thin, and chucked our hat in with our long standing enemies.
That will take a little time to sort out.
But it will sort itself out and long term this country will flourish.
In the meantime, stock up if you wish, but after a short time, everything will carry on as normal.
The reason is because companies do business, not political institutions.

Any tiny bit of research will show you which way the EU is going. The United States of Europe with the richer states, heavily subsidising the poorer ones, so that they can expolit a cheap and ever growing workforce.
That wasn't what the UK voted for when we joined, and the very first chance we've had in over forty years to get out, we've taken it.
We will be the first to leave but I don't think we'll be the last.
That is because it's a scam. It's a Ponzi scheme.
The only country that has done really well out of it is Germany, because of the under valued Euro against the strong D Mark.
People like to pretend that the vote was to leave, or things to stay as they are.
That was never on the table.
Things change, even in the EU. With us out of the way, France & Germany will totally dominate.
good luck to them but I and millions of others long longer wish to be part of it.
Love Europe. Hate the EU.

https://www.politico.eu/article/angela- ... dominance/

This is from a very Pro EU political website
So, if you don't believe me, spend ten minutes reading it.

[Golden Princess]

Oh Gill, things are looking bad. These things are happening now and we havent even left yet. Just how much worse will it get? And not helped by the complacency of the 'jolly boys'. I hope they can be so jolly when they have to live with the consequences for the next few months, oh no JRM said 50 years didnt he? I do hope they have the full and unconditional support of all their friends, family, loved ones, children, grand children.

I have asked what the benefits of Brexit would be and all I get is waffle. There is nothing concrete about everyday life, just some ideology and a deep seated resentment towards the EU and the European continent, especially if any country is considered to be (a) doing to well for itself and (b) a financial burden.

[Gill W]

I hadnt even thought about the bread/rolls.

We havent even left yet and things are looking bad. How long will this go on for? And for what?

I've had a bread maker for about 3 years, and already make many of my loaves, rolls and pizza bases, so I'm stocking up on bread flour and yeast. Even if there's a deal, there's no guarantee that everything will run completely smoothly from 'day 1', so I intend to have a month's worth of food in the house, so I don't have to go to the shops unless necessary. If a month's worth of food isn't sufficient, then we'll be totally screwed anyway.

I know the 'jolly boys' on this thread will guffaw and hoot and dig each other in the ribs at my actions, but I couldn't give a stuff what they think. I'm doing what I think is necessary. I hope I'm wrong about this, but I've seen and heard nothing recently to give me cause for hope.

If I'm right and the Jolly Boys are wrong, I hope they'll be man enough to accept the 'sh*t show they backed, and own their part in it, and not look to blame other people.

I'm speaking much more bluntly than I would normally, but I think the time has come for plain speaking.

I'm not sure but I think Gill means you Onelife

No I mean all of the Brextremists.

Previously, I've avoided any inflammatory language, but I've seen the words 'Remoaner' and 'Remainiac' once too often on this thread.

[barney]

Brextremist - definition - someone who respects democracy

[Gill W]

Brextremist - definition - someone who respects democracy

How do you work that out?

[Stephen]

I'm stocking up as well.

Can you do me a batch of Scotch morning rolls Gill please with a good dusting of flour

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[barney]

Oh Gill, things are looking bad. These things are happening now and we havent even left yet. Just how much worse will it get? And not helped by the complacency of the 'jolly boys'. I hope they can be so jolly when they have to live with the consequences for the next few months, oh no JRM said 50 years didnt he? I do hope they have the full and unconditional support of all their friends, family, loved ones, children, grand children.

I have asked what the benefits of Brexit would be and all I get is waffle. There is nothing concrete about everyday life, just some ideology and a deep seated resentment towards the EU and the European continent, especially if any country is considered to be (a) doing to well for itself and (b) a financial burden.

OK the benefits of Brexit
1. the ability to control and make our own laws, without interference
2. the ability to control our own immigration policy, without interference
3. the ability to strike trade agreements with other countries without interference
4. the ability to control our taxation money and spend where we see fit, without interference

That's a start.
Some may be happy to see old folks homes close while we subsidised road schemes to Malta and Slovakia.
I don't know, but I know that I'm not happy about giving the EU the sums of money that we do with the hope of getting some back

[Gill W]

When we joined the EEC, we abandoned our natural allies, who had backed us through thick and thin, and chucked our hat in with our long standing enemies.

WW2 has been over for more than 70 years, and it's even longer since we've been at war with the likes of France, Spain and the Netherlands. The countries in the EU are our Allies now.

I don't know who you think our natural allies are - if you mean the USA the 'special relationship' is more wishful thinking on the UK side, and anyway, I'd much rather be getting into bed with a Macron than a Trump!

[barney]

When we joined the EEC, we abandoned our natural allies, who had backed us through thick and thin, and chucked our hat in with our long standing enemies.

WW2 has been over for more than 70 years, and it's even longer since we've been at war with the likes of France, Spain and the Netherlands. The countries in the EU are our Allies now.

I don't know who you think our natural allies are - if you mean the USA the 'special relationship' is more wishful thinking on the UK side, and anyway, I'd much rather be getting into bed with a Macron than a Trump!

Me too !

[Gill W]

I'm stocking up as well.

Can you do me a batch of Scotch morning rolls Gill please with a good dusting of flour


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I hope for all our sakes it's not a case of 'she who laughs last laughs longest'. Although, I won't be laughing if it all goes pear shaped

[Gill W]

When we joined the EEC, we abandoned our natural allies, who had backed us through thick and thin, and chucked our hat in with our long standing enemies.

WW2 has been over for more than 70 years, and it's even longer since we've been at war with the likes of France, Spain and the Netherlands. The countries in the EU are our Allies now.

I don't know who you think our natural allies are - if you mean the USA the 'special relationship' is more wishful thinking on the UK side, and anyway, I'd much rather be getting into bed with a Macron than a Trump!

Me too !

[Jack Staff]

OK the benefits of Brexit
1. the ability to control and make our own laws, without interference

We do. The government has retained sovereignty throughout our membership, according to the governments own white paper.
Can you give any examples of of our laws being interfered with?

2. the ability to control our own immigration policy, without interference

The rules on EU immigration are much tighter than implemented by our government. The EU has not interfered.- see point 1.

3. the ability to strike trade agreements with other countries without interference

Please no! Disgraced former defence minister Liam Fox has already proved the easiest deal in history is not. This government wouldn't know how to deal a pack of cards.

4. the ability to control our taxation money and spend where we see fit, without interference

We do. That is why we have a Chancellor of the Exchequer, that is what he does.

That's a start.

That's no more than propaganda.

Some may be happy to see old folks homes close while we subsidised road schemes to Malta and Slovakia.
I don't know, but I know that I'm not happy about giving the EU the sums of money that we do with the hope of getting some back

You still don't know how the EU works or what it is for, do you? Perhaps you are happy to have had the benefit of it for 40 years, but just want to stop others having the same benefits.

[Manoverboard]

Many of the shelves in our nearest Sainsbugs were nearly empty this afternoon

Could it be panic buying by like minded ' Paniceers ', oh … no, hang on, it's a Bank Holiday weekend.

ps ... don't buy flour and yeast to make bread unless you have an electricity generator .

[Mervyn and Trish]

I can't foretell the future and I believe we need to prepare for a possible no deal. However I don't hang on every word of the pessimists. For every one of them there's an equally credible optimist. And none of us know which of them is right.

What I do know is the here and now. The problem now is not the fact we are leaving the EU but the uncertainty of the different scenarios. Once we are out and we know the deal or lack of it we can adjust to it and move on.

But even now, with the uncertainty, we have lower unemployment than the EU and it's been consistently falling since the referendum. After a brief single quarter hiccup we have higher growth than the EU. We have growing exports. We have falling borrowing.

All of those, by the way, in defiance of earlier gloomy predictions by some of the same pessimists still voicing their concerns.

So overall I am not a non thinking jolly boy. But on balance I see reasons for optimism.

[Stephen]

I'm getting one of these bad boys and connecting it to a pedal powered dynamo. It'll give the misses something to do while the dust settles

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[towny44]

You still don't know how the EU works or what it is for, do you? Perhaps you are happy to have had the benefit of it for 40 years, but just want to stop others having the same benefits.

Jack as net contributors for 40 years there are lots of things that we could have done with our net contribution; and we would not now have remainers too scared to consider doing our own thing; but it's quite likely that we would have the EU begging us to join so that Germany was not having to support the rest of the EU on its own.