Brexit

[Jack Staff]

I really am getting tired of the disparaging remarks about our great country from the remainers on here.

I really am getting tired of peoples actions that will lead to the break up of my great country.

NO comment that anybody makes on here could possibly lead to the break up of our Country …. only the EU negotiators or Nicola Sturgeon could come close …. neither are Members.

I don't think I even implied that members could do that. BUT, it will be NI to go first, Scotland to follow. To get WTO deals we need all members approval. How keen do you think Spain and Argentina will be to approve any deals we want, without specific concessions?

I am just a patriot who cares about my country, someone who does not want to see it damaged, either through ignorance or blind faith that everything will turn out alright in the end. It won't, unless we stop Brexit.

[barney]

https://www.thebalance.com/how-does-a-c ... er-3306362

I see no mention in the attached of any WTO member having a veto.

As for NI, well I personally favour democracy and if the voters in Ireland vote for unification, I'll happily live with that.
I can't see that happening anytime soon for financial reasons, but if they eventually do, then fine.

As for Scotland, the same applies. ask the people and if that is what they want, then good for them.
I think that has been done once already ?

I don't agree with holding a union together by fear of the consequences.
See what I did there

On a serious note
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 86f49e8b8b

[Onelife]

Neither can l

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispute ... ganization

[Jack Staff]

I see no mention in the attached of any WTO member having a veto.

Perhaps you should read the WTO website then.

"Reaching decisions by consensus among some 150 members can be difficult. Its main advantage is that decisions made this way are more acceptable to all members. And despite the difficulty, some remarkable agreements have been reached. Nevertheless, proposals for the creation of a smaller executive body — perhaps like a board of directors each representing different groups of countries — are heard periodically. But for now, the WTO is a member-driven, consensus-based organization. "

[Onelife]

I see no mention in the attached of any WTO member having a veto.

Perhaps you should read the WTO website then.

"Reaching decisions by consensus among some 150 members can be difficult. Its main advantage is that decisions made this way are more acceptable to all members. And despite the difficulty, some remarkable agreements have been reached. Nevertheless, proposals for the creation of a smaller executive body — perhaps like a board of directors each representing different groups of countries — are heard periodically. But for now, the WTO is a member-driven, consensus-based organization. "

I did jack......

[Jack Staff]

I see no mention in the attached of any WTO member having a veto.

Perhaps you should read the WTO website then.

"Reaching decisions by consensus among some 150 members can be difficult. Its main advantage is that decisions made this way are more acceptable to all members. And despite the difficulty, some remarkable agreements have been reached. Nevertheless, proposals for the creation of a smaller executive body — perhaps like a board of directors each representing different groups of countries — are heard periodically. But for now, the WTO is a member-driven, consensus-based organization. "

I did jack......

You did what exactly?

[Onelife]

Read the wto website which is where the link l posted comes from......

[Jack Staff]

Read the wto website which is where the link l posted comes from......

That links to Wikipedia???? Not the WTO.

Anyway I thought you didn't like links.

[Onelife]

I only resort to links when it proves someone is talking rubbish


Dispute settlement or Dispute Settlement System (DSS) is regarded by the World Trade Organization (WTO) as the central pillar of the multilateral trading system, and as the organization's "unique contribution to the stability of the global economy".[1] A dispute arises when one member country adopts a trade policy measure or takes some action that one or more fellow members considers to a breach of WTO agreements or to be a failure to live up to obligations. By joining the WTO, member countries have agreed that if they believe fellow members are in violation of trade rules, they will use the multilateral system of settling disputes instead of taking action unilaterally — this entails abiding by agreed procedures—Dispute Settlement Understanding—and respecting judgments, primarily of the Dispute Settlement Board (DSB), the WTO organ responsible for adjudication of disputes.[2] A former WTO Director-General characterized the WTO dispute settlement system as "the most active international adjudicative mechanism in the world today."[3] Chad P. Bown of the Peterson Institute for International Economics and Petros Mavroidis of Columbia Law School remarked on the 20th year anniversary of the dispute settlement system that the system is "going strong" and that "there is no sign of weakening"

[Jack Staff]

I only resort to links when it proves someone is talking rubbish


Dispute settlement or Dispute Settlement System (DSS) is regarded by the World Trade Organization (WTO) as the central pillar of the multilateral trading system, and as the organization's "unique contribution to the stability of the global economy".[1] A dispute arises when one member country adopts a trade policy measure or takes some action that one or more fellow members considers to a breach of WTO agreements or to be a failure to live up to obligations. By joining the WTO, member countries have agreed that if they believe fellow members are in violation of trade rules, they will use the multilateral system of settling disputes instead of taking action unilaterally — this entails abiding by agreed procedures—Dispute Settlement Understanding—and respecting judgments, primarily of the Dispute Settlement Board (DSB), the WTO organ responsible for adjudication of disputes.[2] A former WTO Director-General characterized the WTO dispute settlement system as "the most active international adjudicative mechanism in the world today."[3] Chad P. Bown of the Peterson Institute for International Economics and Petros Mavroidis of Columbia Law School remarked on the 20th year anniversary of the dispute settlement system that the system is "going strong" and that "there is no sign of weakening"

Well that explains a lot. I am talking about trade deals, whilst you are talking about dispute settlement. No wonder we both think the other is talking rubbish!

[Onelife]

Jack wrote.....

"To get WTO deals we need all members approval. How keen do you think Spain and Argentina will be to approve any deals we want, without specific concessions?"

If Spain or Argentina go against the principles of WTO rules (trade deals) then any country can take them to task using WTO disputes procedures.

[Jack Staff]

Jack wrote.....

"To get WTO deals we need all members approval. How keen do you think Spain and Argentina will be to approve any deals we want, without specific concessions?"

If Spain or Argentina go against the principles of WTO rules (trade deals) then any country can take them to task using WTO disputes procedures.

And just who would that country be? It could only be us. The WTO takes years to do anything, so while we may be 'in the right' we will be broke and getting broker, or we could just give them Gibraltar or the Falklands to resolve the situation.

However, things are beginning to move now and the chances of this being relevant to our future are diminishing rapidly.

[oldbluefox]

I do not yet know how I will vote.
It might be for Labour depending on what goes on at their current conference, if they realise that a Peoples Vote will get them elected.

So you are prepared to put a far left government of Corbyn, O'Donnell, Thornberry, Abbott ( ), backed by McCluskey & Co in power on the off chance they will grant you another vote which you may not win anyway? If you thought a no deal scenario was bad you ain't seen nothin' yet!!! And you talk about loving your country and wanting the best for it!!!

[Jack Staff]

I do not yet know how I will vote.
It might be for Labour depending on what goes on at their current conference, if they realise that a Peoples Vote will get them elected.

So you are prepared to put a far left government of Corbyn, O'Donnell, Thornberry, Abbott ( ), backed by McCluskey & Co in power on the off chance they will grant you another vote which you may not win anyway? If you thought a no deal scenario was bad you ain't seen nothin' yet!!! And you talk about loving your country and wanting the best for it!!!

An election is only ever for a maximum of five years.
Nothing is more important to this country at present than stopping Brexit.

[Stephen]

I do not yet know how I will vote.
It might be for Labour depending on what goes on at their current conference, if they realise that a Peoples Vote will get them elected.

So you are prepared to put a far left government of Corbyn, O'Donnell, Thornberry, Abbott ( ), backed by McCluskey & Co in power on the off chance they will grant you another vote which you may not win anyway? If you thought a no deal scenario was bad you ain't seen nothin' yet!!! And you talk about loving your country and wanting the best for it!!!

Not to mention a once, or maybe still terrorist supporter...i.e. Sinn Féin

[Jack Staff]

I do not yet know how I will vote.
It might be for Labour depending on what goes on at their current conference, if they realise that a Peoples Vote will get them elected.

So you are prepared to put a far left government of Corbyn, O'Donnell, Thornberry, Abbott ( ), backed by McCluskey & Co in power on the off chance they will grant you another vote which you may not win anyway? If you thought a no deal scenario was bad you ain't seen nothin' yet!!! And you talk about loving your country and wanting the best for it!!!

Not to mention a once, or maybe still terrorist supporter...i.e. Sinn Féin

Do we really want to get into arms to Saudi?

[oldbluefox]

I do not yet know how I will vote.
It might be for Labour depending on what goes on at their current conference, if they realise that a Peoples Vote will get them elected.

So you are prepared to put a far left government of Corbyn, O'Donnell, Thornberry, Abbott ( ), backed by McCluskey & Co in power on the off chance they will grant you another vote which you may not win anyway? If you thought a no deal scenario was bad you ain't seen nothin' yet!!! And you talk about loving your country and wanting the best for it!!!

Not to mention a once, or maybe still terrorist supporter...i.e. Sinn Féin

But who cares who we put in power just as long as we stop Brexit.................... Give me strength.
Why don't this Remainer 'lot' vote for Cable & Clogg or the Greens who are dedicated to their beloved People's Vote? In fact what was the point of having the referendum in the first place if you are not going to honour the result apart from the Remainers having a hissy fit cos they lost?

[Jack Staff]

I do not yet know how I will vote.
It might be for Labour depending on what goes on at their current conference, if they realise that a Peoples Vote will get them elected.

So you are prepared to put a far left government of Corbyn, O'Donnell, Thornberry, Abbott ( ), backed by McCluskey & Co in power on the off chance they will grant you another vote which you may not win anyway? If you thought a no deal scenario was bad you ain't seen nothin' yet!!! And you talk about loving your country and wanting the best for it!!!

Not to mention a once, or maybe still terrorist supporter...i.e. Sinn Féin

But who cares who we put in power just as long as we stop Brexit.................... Give me strength.
Why don't this Remainer 'lot' vote for Cable & Clogg or the Greens who are dedicated to their beloved People's Vote? In fact what was the point of having the referendum in the first place if you are not going to honour the result apart from the Remainers having a hissy fit cos they lost?

We will vote to stop Brexit at any election/referendum as is our democratic right.

[barney]

Jack wrote.....

"To get WTO deals we need all members approval. How keen do you think Spain and Argentina will be to approve any deals we want, without specific concessions?"

If Spain or Argentina go against the principles of WTO rules (trade deals) then any country can take them to task using WTO disputes procedures.

And just who would that country be? It could only be us. The WTO takes years to do anything, so while we may be 'in the right' we will be broke and getting broker, or we could just give them Gibraltar or the Falklands to resolve the situation.

However, things are beginning to move now and the chances of this being relevant to our future are diminishing rapidly.

I think that you are being a tad reactionary there Jack.

We could not 'give' anyone the Falkland islands or Gibraltar because they do not belong to the UK.
They are classed as British Overseas Territories like many Caribbean Islands

Should the people of The Flaklands or Gibraltar decide that they would prefer to be Argentinian or Spanish, then only they could make that happen by a democratic vote.

See what I did there again

Democracy.

One thing that I do know about WTO is that the UK is already a member, as are all the other EU countries, but bizarrely so is the EU as an entity ???
One problem for the future could be that the EU are very secrective about existing WTO agreements with third countries and EU countries no not have full access to this data.
So, the UK (or any of the others) can never really know for certain what the existing agreements are.

Not democracy

[barney]

So you are prepared to put a far left government of Corbyn, O'Donnell, Thornberry, Abbott ( ), backed by McCluskey & Co in power on the off chance they will grant you another vote which you may not win anyway? If you thought a no deal scenario was bad you ain't seen nothin' yet!!! And you talk about loving your country and wanting the best for it!!!

Not to mention a once, or maybe still terrorist supporter...i.e. Sinn Féin

But who cares who we put in power just as long as we stop Brexit.................... Give me strength.
Why don't this Remainer 'lot' vote for Cable & Clogg or the Greens who are dedicated to their beloved People's Vote? In fact what was the point of having the referendum in the first place if you are not going to honour the result apart from the Remainers having a hissy fit cos they lost?

We will vote to stop Brexit at any election/referendum as is our democratic right.

Hooray, we are there at last !!!!!!

When the next election /and/or referendum comes, vote which ever way you like.

If you want to vote for a party that has vowed to stop Brexit, then fine, please do it.

That is you democratic right.

This will more than likely be in 2022 so be patient

[Jack Staff]

Jack wrote.....

"To get WTO deals we need all members approval. How keen do you think Spain and Argentina will be to approve any deals we want, without specific concessions?"

If Spain or Argentina go against the principles of WTO rules (trade deals) then any country can take them to task using WTO disputes procedures.

And just who would that country be? It could only be us. The WTO takes years to do anything, so while we may be 'in the right' we will be broke and getting broker, or we could just give them Gibraltar or the Falklands to resolve the situation.

However, things are beginning to move now and the chances of this being relevant to our future are diminishing rapidly.

I think that you are being a tad reactionary there Jack.

We could not 'give' anyone the Falkland islands or Gibraltar because they do not belong to the UK.
They are classed as British Overseas Territories like many Caribbean Islands

Should the people of The Flaklands or Gibraltar decide that they would prefer to be Argentinian or Spanish, then only they could make that happen by a democratic vote.

See what I did there again

Democracy.

So what you are suggesting is that leave on WTO, to then not be able to get any deals due to our territories?
Brilliant.

One thing that I do know about WTO is that the UK is already a member, as are all the other EU countries, but bizarrely so is the EU as an entity ???
One problem for the future could be that the EU are very secrective about existing WTO agreements with third countries and EU countries no not have full access to this data.
So, the UK (or any of the others) can never really know for certain what the existing agreements are.

Not democracy

No one has ever suggested the WTO is democratic.
It is a trading body made up of unelected bureaucrats. Something you say you don't like.

[Jack Staff]

Hooray, we are there at last !!!!!!

When the next election /and/or referendum comes, vote which ever way you like.

If you want to vote for a party that has vowed to stop Brexit, then fine, please do it.

That is you democratic right.

This will more than likely be in 2022 so be patient

OMG!! I was thinking the next election would be called in a couple of weeks time, but 20:22? I will be in the middle of my supper then!

[oldbluefox]

Hooray, we are there at last !!!!!!

When the next election /and/or referendum comes, vote which ever way you like.

If you want to vote for a party that has vowed to stop Brexit, then fine, please do it.

That is you democratic right.

This will more than likely be in 2022 so be patient

OMG!! I was thinking the next election would be called in a couple of weeks time, but 20:22? I will be in the middle of my supper then!

Not as good as your other jokes but quite good Jack.

[Onelife]

Hooray, we are there at last !!!!!!

When the next election /and/or referendum comes, vote which ever way you like.

If you want to vote for a party that has vowed to stop Brexit, then fine, please do it.

That is you democratic right.

This will more than likely be in 2022 so be patient

OMG!! I was thinking the next election would be called in a couple of weeks time, but 20:22? I will be in the middle of my supper then!

Not as good as your other jokes but quite good Jack.

Are you talking "crackers"again Jack?

[Manoverboard]

Having supper at 20:22 obviously isn't good for you …. it makes one grumpy.