Brexit

[barney]

Interesting to read that Ryanair are now putting a Brexit clause into all tickets sold after March 2019 stating that if the plane doesn't fly because of Brexit, they will refund.
I expect others will now follow suit.

This is a genuine piece of UK leverage, that has slightly backfired on the EU, just like the Irish border and no passporting rights for financial services
Over five thousand flights enter and leave the UK daily.
They are starting to smell the coffee but most are still in denial.
I'm amazed European tourist boards are not more vocal.

I think that the penny is also starting to drop in Ireland that they are being hung out to dry by the EU.

Remember what Juncker & Barnier were saying at the begining ?

Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.
The clock is ticking.

Well, tick tock, tick tock.

[barney]

For it to pass all have to sign up. If Malta and/or Spain don't sign, Britain is crushed. We crash out with no trade deals

And so do the EU

I'm not sure where the expression "crash out" comes from. It means leave.

I don't think you have grasped he situation.
The EU will lose trade with us too, yes. But they still have the EU trade deals with all the various countries around the world.
We will not.
We will have nothing. NOTHING.

Leave (crash out) means isolation.

It's official !

Project Fear has become Project Terrified.

Board up the Tunnel.
Scuttle the ferries.
Bring in the army.

Honestly mate, I know you like a bit of a wind up, but even by your standards, that's a bit extreme.

Just to remind you, we are a major world economy.
We are leaders in many, many fields.
We have the largest financial centre in the world.

We are world leaders in technology, medicne, science, sport, finance, education and so many, many more things.

Do you actually live in the UK Jack?

Just today, a Cambridge scientist was awarded the Nobel Prize for Protein Research.
He is British Jack!
From Cambridge.

We have four of the top ten universities in the world in England.
Not a single university form any other EU country.

I like a laugh as much as the next bloke, but you are beginning to strecth this 'small little backwater on the edge of Europe' thing a bit too far.

[screwy]

But arn't Ryanair Irish registered so would be ok to fly ?

[Jack Staff]

For it to pass all have to sign up. If Malta and/or Spain don't sign, Britain is crushed. We crash out with no trade deals

And so do the EU

I'm not sure where the expression "crash out" comes from. It means leave.

I don't think you have grasped he situation.
The EU will lose trade with us too, yes. But they still have the EU trade deals with all the various countries around the world.
We will not.
We will have nothing. NOTHING.

Leave (crash out) means isolation.

It's official !

Project Fear has become Project Terrified.

Board up the Tunnel.
Scuttle the ferries.
Bring in the army.

Honestly mate, I know you like a bit of a wind up, but even by your standards, that's a bit extreme.

Just to remind you, we are a major world economy.
We are leaders in many, many fields.
We have the largest financial centre in the world.

We are world leaders in technology, medicne, science, sport, finance, education and so many, many more things.

Do you actually live in the UK Jack?

Just today, a Cambridge scientist was awarded the Nobel Prize for Protein Research.
He is British Jack!
From Cambridge.

We have four of the top ten universities in the world in England.
Not a single university form any other EU country.

I like a laugh as much as the next bloke, but you are beginning to strecth this 'small little backwater on the edge of Europe' thing a bit too far.

So what do you think "crash out" leave means?

[towny44]

But arn't Ryanair Irish registered so would be ok to fly ?

Quite cute then of O'Leary as usual.

[barney]

But arn't Ryanair Irish registered so would be ok to fly ?

Yeah, but not in or out of the UK without agreement.
They can fly within the EU.
Maybe we should look at over flying UK airspace ?
Maybe we should look at a tariff for using UK roads to get to the mainland of Europe.
But then that would be irrelevant because there will be hundreds of miles of tail backs because the tunnel is cemented up.


All of those continental exporters who rely so heavily on UK imorts will have to find new markets for their perishables.
Maybe Albania will buy a load of Spanish oranges.
Maybe Serbia will decide to have a massive influx of 30K BMWs
Maybe Kosovans will all be driving new Mercs this time next year.
Bulgarians will be staggering around because of all of the Champagne they have had to drink.
Malta will absolutely stink of French cheese.

Meanwhile, back home, we will be digging up our manicured lawns to plant spuds and living of bread and dripping
No, hang on !
No dripping as we cannot get the Irish beef over.
That is the Irish beef that constitutes over 80% over their beef production.
Maybe Luxemborg will buy more beef from Ireland.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/0 ... -aviation/

Personally I'd rather walk that ever get on one of this guys planes.

[Ray Scully]

I get the impression that for many Brexit is no longer what is best for the UK, but for them being on the "winning" side

[Manoverboard]

We voted through wisdom and just happened to be on the winning side …. fortunately another 17,000,000 folk had the same wisdom and thought the same way as we did.

In life it is always a better experience to be a part of the winning team.

Some, on the other hand, just love to wallow in self pity or enjoy being a loser.

[Jack Staff]

We voted through wisdom and just happened to be on the winning side …. fortunately another 17,000,000 folk had the same wisdom and thought the same way as we did.

In life it is always a better experience to be a part of the winning team.

Some, on the other hand, just love to wallow in self pity or enjoy being a loser.

We will all be losers. But the remainers will be able to say "told you so",

[Manoverboard]

We voted through wisdom and just happened to be on the winning side …. fortunately another 17,000,000 folk had the same wisdom and thought the same way as we did.

In life it is always a better experience to be a part of the winning team.

Some, on the other hand, just love to wallow in self pity or enjoy being a loser.

We will all be losers. But the remainers will be able to say "told you so",

I do not believe for a single moment that we will all be losers, some certainly but not all and by some margin ... and being able to say " told you so " from either camp would be both pathetic and wholly unnecessary.

[Jack Staff]

We voted through wisdom and just happened to be on the winning side …. fortunately another 17,000,000 folk had the same wisdom and thought the same way as we did.

In life it is always a better experience to be a part of the winning team.

Some, on the other hand, just love to wallow in self pity or enjoy being a loser.

We will all be losers. But the remainers will be able to say "told you so",

I do not believe for a single moment that we will all be losers, some certainly but not all and by some margin ... and being able to say " told you so " from either camp would be both pathetic and wholly unnecessary.

We won't all be losers no, Rees-Mogg will be fine.
Of course you are correct, but it is the only 'positive' to come out of the Brexit debacle.

[Ray Scully]

Hey guys! you Brexiteers will have put Johhny foreigner in his place eh?

[Ray Scully]

We voted through wisdom and just happened to be on the winning side …. fortunately another 17,000,000 folk had the same wisdom and thought the same way as we did.

In life it is always a better experience to be a part of the winning team.

Some, on the other hand, just love to wallow in self pity or enjoy being a loser.

The games not over yet Mobo

[oldbluefox]

As Kenneth Wolstenholme said "It is now ".

[towny44]

I wonder if I should be worried about our April Med cruise on Aurora, will it take place, will we have to queue for hours to disembark and then re-board. If we can get ashore will we be able to afford a coffee and beer if Sterling has collapsed completely. Will remain voters be treated differently to leave voters by the the locals etc etc etc.

[Ray Scully]

I wonder if I should be worried about our April Med cruise on Aurora, will it take place, will we have to queue for hours to disembark and then re-board. If we can get ashore will we be able to afford a coffee and beer if Sterling has collapsed completely. Will remain voters be treated differently to leave voters by the the locals etc etc etc.

Cancell now John it will save all the stress and worry

[Manoverboard]

I wonder if I should be worried about our April Med cruise on Aurora, will it take place, will we have to queue for hours to disembark and then re-board. If we can get ashore will we be able to afford a coffee and beer if Sterling has collapsed completely. Will remain voters be treated differently to leave voters by the the locals etc etc etc.

…. and will the French keep you waiting to disembark while they check the fuel tanks with ( and possibly by ) La Dippe Stique.

ps ….. like wot they did to our coach way back in 1962 when we were crossing from France to Spain using Belgian petrol

[oldbluefox]

I wonder if I should be worried about our April Med cruise on Aurora, will it take place, will we have to queue for hours to disembark and then re-board. If we can get ashore will we be able to afford a coffee and beer if Sterling has collapsed completely. Will remain voters be treated differently to leave voters by the the locals etc etc etc.

Not sure John. I'll ask turkey lurkey and ducky lucky and see what they say.

[towny44]

I wonder if I should be worried about our April Med cruise on Aurora, will it take place, will we have to queue for hours to disembark and then re-board. If we can get ashore will we be able to afford a coffee and beer if Sterling has collapsed completely. Will remain voters be treated differently to leave voters by the the locals etc etc etc.

Cancell now John it will save all the stress and worry

Maybe Ray but will my deposit be recoverable, will the delusional negotiation tactics of a deranged Brussels bureaucrat justify my claim?

[Ray Scully]

Sorry John, can't say, however, there is talk in certain circles that UK cruise ships will have to pay a levy to Spain to transit the Straights of Gibralter, about the same cost as transiting the Panama Canal I believe. The basis for this is the loss of income from British tourists resulting from a hard Brexit. You win some you lose some
Oh and any British tourist making it to Spain will be given a "johnny extranjero" badge

[screwy]

When I did European Haulage the Krauts always dipped our tanks so nothing new there.

[Jack Staff]

When I did European Haulage the Krauts always dipped our tanks so nothing new there.

Would be a good idea to have some kind of agreement between countries, so that this sort of nonsense wasn't required.

[Manoverboard]

When I did European Haulage the Krauts always dipped our tanks so nothing new there.

Would be a good idea to have some kind of agreement between countries, so that this sort of nonsense wasn't required.

In the example I gave the French delayed our passage into Spain by over 2 hours …. not a mere dip for them, ooh non !

[barney]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... order-plan

Tick tock Mr Varadkar .

The DUP has publicly announced that annexing NI is the redist of red lines so it's your bucket and your hole.
You fix it !

Some lady from the TUC was saying yesterday, how will the UK stop EU nationals entering into Ireland and then just crossing the border into NI, and then on to the UK.
How did such a halfwit ever get into such a position?

No one wants to stop anyone from coming here.
We want to stop them automatically having the right to settle and work, without permission.
Sort of operating like the rest of the world.

I read an interesting piece by a Belgian who has just taken British citizenship, post Brexit.
Not the sort of thing you'd expect to see on the very pro EU Politico EU.
https://www.politico.eu/article/how-i-l ... ve-brexit/

[Ray Scully]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... order-plan

Tick tock Mr Varadkar .

The DUP has publicly announced that annexing NI is the redist of red lines so it's your bucket and your hole.
You fix it !

Some lady from the TUC was saying yesterday, how will the UK stop EU nationals entering into Ireland and then just crossing the border into NI, and then on to the UK.
How did such a halfwit ever get into such a position?

No one wants to stop anyone from coming here.
We want to stop them automatically having the right to settle and work, without permission.
Sort of operating like the rest of the world.

I read an interesting piece by a Belgian who has just taken British citizenship, post Brexit.
Not the sort of thing you'd expect to see on the very pro EU Politico EU.
https://www.politico.eu/article/how-i-l ... ve-brexit/

Barney what is the current situation re border checks when travelling between England or Scotland and the north and south of Ireland?