Brexit

[towny44]

So sad what Brexit has done to my country

If project fear is to be believed if you think things are bad now, after March 2019 today will see like nirvana.
Of course that's only true of the glass half empty remainers, for the happy band of glass half full leavers April will be paradise.

I can’t help wondering what kind of hell the EU causes in your daily life, if a country that has had to buy up refrigerators to stockpile medicines is a paradise!

There is supposed to be a truce until Jan 2nd Gill, so I will refrain from repeating all the issues I have with the EU.

[Manoverboard]

What happens if we win 52-48?

It'll be a draw

[Ray Scully]

There can't be a truce with such entrenched positions, many based on ideology.

My pragmatic opinion is based on the old adage a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[anniec]

There can't be a truce with such entrenched positions, many based on ideology.

Good heavens, perhaps a sense of proportion is in order. Even the British and Germans battling it out in WW1 managed a brief Christmas truce

[Onelife]

There can't be a truce with such entrenched positions, many based on ideology.

My pragmatic opinion is based on the old adage a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Give me two bird in the bush anyday

[Onelife]

My gawd....l've just had a Christmas card from Theresa

[Ray Scully]

There can't be a truce with such entrenched positions, many based on ideology.

My pragmatic opinion is based on the old adage a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Give me two bird in the bush anyday

Onelife!! was there really any need to lower the tone of the debate

[barney]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... l-archives

Back in 1994, they couldn't agree on what the question should be.

how about
Leave the EU
Remain in the EU

It's not that difficult is it ?

[towny44]

I thought we were still under the moratorium?

[oldbluefox]

It's not particularly current Brexit so we'll let him off with it this time.

PS barney, thank you for your most generous Christmas present!!!

[Mervyn and Trish]

I thought we were still under the moratorium?

I think we should extend the moratorium until something actually happens. One way or the other!

[towny44]

I thought we were still under the moratorium?

I think we should extend the moratorium until something actually happens. One way or the other!

Good grief that could be Dec 2020, or even later!!!!

[Ray Scully]

Well done Mr. Speaker, you may have shifted the logjam.

[Stephen]

The lot of them are a disgrace.

[david63]

The lot of them are a disgrace.

The way that they are behaving is worse than spoilt children and they should all be sent to the "naughty step".

It is time that MP's joined the real world rather than this remote world that they are in at the moment. All these shenanigans that are going on at the moment are nothing to do with the "will of the people" (i.e. leave the EU) but are about their own personal views and/or political motives.

We have all in out time had to do things in our working lives that we did not want to, or like to, do and we knew what the option was - but why would you give up a £77k gravy train to keep to your principles?

The people voted to leave, there is a non renegotiable deal on the table - get on with it!

As for JC wanting a General Election - I say "be careful what you ask for", it is not a foregone conclusion that you will win! And if there were to be a GE there would only be one subject in the manifestos. Quite honestly I doubt that many of the public have got the stomach for another couple of years of all this.

[Ray Scully]

I don't think JC wants a general election, which he could certainly lose (1 Socialist here that would not vote Labour with Corbyn and Seumas Milne in charge) He wants a cliff edge departure, the resulting damage would rapidly bring down the Tories giving him the top job, with the UK no longer being in the EU.

[anniec]

I don't think JC wants a general election, which he could certainly lose (1 Socialist here that would not vote Labour with Corbyn and Seumas Milne in charge) He wants a cliff edge departure, the resulting damage would rapidly bring down the Tories giving him the top job, with the UK no longer being in the EU.

Spot on.

[Manoverboard]

Early days … I have noted that some of the rebel Tories plus a number of Labour MPs, having made their political stand, have switched sides and are presently intending to vote in favour of Mrs Mays Master Plan. The DUP will doubtless do a ' U ' turn at the eleventh hour, et voila

[screwy]

Watching QT last night i thought i heard Thornbush say that Labour had agreed at their conferance to'vote against' any deal .?? So if thats the case then Labour truly are playing party politics..

[david63]

Watching QT last night i thought i heard Thornbush say that Labour had agreed at their conferance to'vote against' any deal

You did

[screwy]

Added to that , That Odious, Loathsome creature Owen Jones.It would be nice to see some one put him in his place..

[oldbluefox]

Added to that , That Odious, Loathsome creature Owen Jones.It would be nice to see some one put him in his place..

Michael Portillo did last night on This Week. Surprised the odious Owen Jones didn't have one of his usual strops and march off.

[screwy]

Yeah i saw that,be nice to see someone put him on his a*se..

[barney]

The potential damage that could be inflicted upon this country by the anti-democrats is enormous.
They don't seem to realise the full implications of their actions.

A few months ago, a couple of hundred thousand middle class and middle aged 'protestors' marched through the capital.
They were generally good humoured and took a few selfies.
When the celebs had finished speaking, they got back into their Audi suvs and trundled back to suburbia, feeling smug and thinking that they had had their say.

Should Parliament not carry through the legitimate instruction of the majority of the electorate, there will no doubt be another march in London.
This time it will be the ignored majority, accompanied by large elements of the far right.
Be assured, this will not be a peaceful demonstration.
This will be hi-jacked by the EDL and others and be a very violent riot.
The likes that London has not seen since the Poll Tax riots ( I know, as I was there)

The smug politicos are shooting themselves in the foot and will have to answer for the consequences.

Democracy ONLY works with the consent of the losing side.
If the losing side will not accept the result, then the next step is anarchy.

Those calling for a 'people's vote' must understand the consequences of that.
Just say remain win by 52-48%
Do they seriously expect that the 48% will just shrug their shoulders and say, oh well. never mind.
There will be massive civil unrest all across the country.
Major cities will burn.
The far right will be out in force and sweep up all the low lifes looking for a punch up in their wake.

At the moment, the UK is lucky in the fact that it doesn't have a large far right movement, unlike most other European countries.
Should Brexit not happen, for any reason, this will change in a heartbeat.
The pseudo liberals will then be wringing their hands and wondering where it all went wrong.

[Jack Staff]

If the losing side will not accept the result, then the next step is anarchy.

Those calling for a 'people's vote' must understand the consequences of that.
Just say remain win by 52-48%
Do they seriously expect that the 48% will just shrug their shoulders and say, oh well. never mind.
There will be massive civil unrest all across the country.
Major cities will burn.
The far right will be out in force and sweep up all the low lifes looking for a punch up in their wake.

At the moment, the UK is lucky in the fact that it doesn't have a large far right movement, unlike most other European countries.
Should Brexit not happen, for any reason, this will change in a heartbeat.
The pseudo liberals will then be wringing their hands and wondering where it all went wrong.

We are British. We do not appease, we fight fascists.