Brexit

[oldbluefox]

I suppose it would be a good way of providing employment to the unemployed youth of southern Europe..........
Great idea Jack. Let's pack off our youth, no doubt on a conscription basis, to do their bit for Europe!!!!

[Gill W]

Now, talking about conscription IS Project Fear.

[screwy]

Wouldn’t do our lot any harm truth be known.

[oldbluefox]

Now, talking about conscription IS Project Fear.

The difference being this is backed up by evidence of what Europe's intentions are.
British citizens resident in Europe will have to return home? Not true.
There will be a shortage of medicines after Brexit? Not true.
EU citizens in UK will have to return home? Not true.
The UK economy will crash within months of a Brexit vote? Not true.
Queues of lorries at Channel ports? Not in Calais because they are already prepared for a no deal whilst we dither.

I do concede that when it comes to Project Fear Remainers do have the upper hand. Jack even thinks we have already left!!!

[Jack Staff]

I think "not true" sums up your post perfectly.

[Gill W]

Where’s the evidence that the EU is going to start conscription into an EU army?

[oldbluefox]

I think "not true" sums up your post perfectly.

So you refute all of those? Clearly you are not keeping up with the news.

[Jack Staff]

I think "not true" sums up your post perfectly.

So you refute all of those? Clearly you are not keeping up with the news.

I am obviously not seeing the same news as you. I refute ALL of those (maybe not the Calais bit).

I am surprised you are not keeping a low profile, bearing in mind what is going to happen. But then, as you are not seeing the same news, you probably don't know.

[oldbluefox]

I'll help you out Jack:
https://aspenwoolf.co.uk/will-expats-se ... er-brexit/
https://www.gov.uk/settled-status-eu-citizens-families
........ and just to dispel another Remainer lie, aeroplanes will continue to fly to Europe in the event of a no deal Brexit.
https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2018 ... s-currency

Fortunately not all of us are taken in by the claims of the Remain camp.

[oldbluefox]

I am surprised you are not keeping a low profile, bearing in mind what is going to happen. But then, as you are not seeing the same news, you probably don't know.

As a Brexiter I'm one of those who would happily leave under a no deal basis on WTO terms and then negotiate our future relationship with the EU. Why would I want to keep a low profile? What a strange comment!

[oldbluefox]

Looks like I'm not alone. Neil Warnock, manager of Cardiff City, sums it up nicely:
“I don’t know why politicians don’t do what the country wants, if I’m honest,” Mr Warnock said in his post-match press conference.

“They had a referendum and now we see different politicians and everyone else trying to put their foot in it ... Why did we have a referendum in the first bloody place?

“I can’t wait to get out of it, if I’m honest. I think we’ll be far better out of the bloody thing. In every aspect."

Well spoken that man.

[Jack Staff]

I am happy to admit that I did not know the French plans for Calais in the event of no deal.

You are correct. There will be no lorry queues at Calais.
They can not have queues because of the migrants.
They are going to close the port of Calais.
Hope you are all stocked up with provisions.

[Jack Staff]

Why would I want to keep a low profile? What a strange comment!

Because you may well be going to look a bit silly with upcoming events, which you clearly don't know about yet.

[oldbluefox]

You've not been visiting Gypsy Rose Lee's little room again have you?

[Jack Staff]

You've not been visiting Gypsy Rose Lee's little room again have you?

No. Perhaps you should join Barney and myself watching the BBC Parliament channel, or are they too biased for you?

[oldbluefox]

If Barney does watch the Parliament channel (never heard him say he does but you obviously know) he clearly has a better understanding of the facts than you. His posts rely on experience, knowledge and logic to present a clear argument and I am pleased you give him the credit he obviously deserves.

[Gill W]

Where’s the evidence that the EU is going to start conscription into an EU army?

Still no evidence of this particular claim.

As I said, this is Project Fear, Leaver style.

[Ray Scully]

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Will this help to clarify things?

[barney]

There is no blame at all on those who voted to leave. The blame for this monumental clock up lies firmly with remainer May and those who failed to accept the result of the vote.

[Ray Scully]

Barney, the conundrum is what voting to leave means, sunny uplands, people dying because they can't access drugs, no one knows even now. The blame is not with Mrs. May, but the stupidity of a binary referendum on such a complex and convoluted arrangement that our membership of the EU is.

[Manoverboard]

I watch the Parliamentary Channel quite frequently. My observations are …

There seem to be the same Group of Members saying exactly the same thing ad nauseum and regardless of the question raised, there are approx 50 of them I would estimate and they are more trouble than they are worth. The remaining quieter Members are for the most part moderates and they will be persuaded by common sense and practicality rather than extreme dogma of any colour.

If TM does lose the vote it seems that she can legitimately rerun it, perhaps again and again until ' she ' gets the result she requires.

[Onelife]

If anyone is left in any doubt as to why Theresa May has been fighting an uphill battle to get her deal passed then one should look no further than her own government whip who has resigned in order to vote against her deal....what a slimy backstabbing git....One has to seriously question his commitment to the job in the first place.........disgraceful!!

Mob......totally agree

[barney]

Barney, the conundrum is what voting to leave means, sunny uplands, people dying because they can't access drugs, no one knows even now. The blame is not with Mrs. May, but the stupidity of a binary referendum on such a complex and convoluted arrangement that our membership of the EU is.

The blame is 100% with May in my opinion. Too much time trying to get a deal and too little preparing to leave. By taking your argument to it's natural conclusion it would mean that after joining the EU no country could ever leave. I wish that was explained when we joined.

[Jack Staff]

If TM does lose the vote it seems that she can legitimately rerun it, perhaps again and again until ' she ' gets the result she requires.

You're kidding, right?

" Hypocrisy is the practice of engaging in the same behaviour or activity for which one criticizes another. In moral psychology, it is the failure to follow one's own expressed moral rules and principles. According to British political philosopher David Runciman, "Other kinds of hypocritical deception include claims to knowledge that one lacks, claims to a consistency that one cannot sustain, claims to a loyalty that one does not possess, claims to an identity that one does not hold". American political journalist Michael Gerson says that political hypocrisy is "the conscious use of a mask to fool the public and gain political benefit". "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy

[barney]

As usual, we agree Jack.
The 'conscious use of a mask to fool the public' was enacted the day after the result if the referendum.
Many MPs on the remain side had decided by then ,that they would, under no circumstances get involved with mechanisms of leaving the EU and do everything in their power to stop it.

Bearing in mind that there was a 'shock' election in 2017, both Labour and Conservative MPs stood on a manifesto pledge of honouring the result of the 2016 referendum.
The Liberals and Greens were honest enough to say that they opposed the result and would stand against leaving the EU.
Over 85% of the electorate who voted, cast their vote for one or the other of these parties.
So, in my book, that is an overwhelming mandate to leave.

Greive, Soubry, Woolaston, Lammy, Kinnock …. the list is endless … all stood for election on a manifesto pledge of honouring the result.
Had they resigned the whip and stood as independents, that would have been honourable, but stand for a party with absolutely no intention of carrying out the manifesto promise is the ultimate in rank hypocrisy.

At least we can all agree on that.