Brexit

[david63]

P&O Cruises re-registered fleet in Bermuda years ago, before anyone ever mentioned the B word. Just saying....

Not all of them - Britannia is registered in UK. Just saying ...

[Ray Scully]

P&O Ferries to register entire English Channel fleet under Cyprus flag.
Wonder why?
https://cyprus-mail.com/2019/01/18/po-f ... prus-flag/

P&O Cruises re-registered fleet in Bermuda years ago, before anyone ever mentioned the B word. Just saying....

FAKE NEWS ALERT Britannia is registered in the UK.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Interesting item on the Jeremy Vine Show on Friday about the letter written to the Times by various people in Germany, including the person tipped to be Angela Merkel's successor, regretting our decision to leave.

They said they'd miss us for various things, including going to the pub and driving on the left. Well here's the good news, they will still be able to come here to share those things. To be cynical, they didn't mention missing our money! Which they won't be getting after the transition period.

But they also said they'll miss our role in helping to reform the EU.

Well if they're serious, let's talk about that. There's been no sign of reform during our EU membership. Quite the opposite. When the referendum was planned and Call Me Dave went seeking reforms to address our concerns he got bu**er all.

But here's my suggestion to move forward.

We don't cancel Article 50. We don't delay it and continue exit negotiations. We suspend it for 12 months on a double or quits bet.

In that 12 months we discuss staying and the reforms that would satisfy Brexiteers and enable us to do so. And believe me there are reforms which could make me change my mind. They would include freedom of movement to work or holiday but not to doss or commit crimes. My remainer friends claim the numbers in the latter categories are small, so I don't see that should be a problem. No benefits payable within 5 years of coming and none paid ever to relatives of EU citizens not themselves resident here. Anyone committing a crime sent home with no right to ever return. That should all of course to reciprocal. EU courts to be subservient to national courts. Strasbourg closed and the monthly travel nonsense stopped. National sovereignty to be dominant over the EU at all times. Bureaucracy and budgets slashed by 5% per year for 5 years then frozen for ten. EU Commission to be led by the European Parliament, not the other way round. One EU President not two. Paid no more than the lowest paid Prime Minister or euqivalent in the EU. Human rights to be earned and matched by human responsibilities. The only inalienable Human Right being the right to life. Asylum seekers to be properly processed in the country they first land in and looked after well there. Not packed into lorries and flimsy boats and forwarded to the UK. No bail outs of Euro countries by non Euro countries. That's for starters.

If such reforms are agreed and implemented within the 12 months we cancel Brexit and stay.

If not we exit with no divorce payment and an immediate free trade deal.

Let's see how much they really want us.

[Mervyn and Trish]

P&O Ferries to register entire English Channel fleet under Cyprus flag.
Wonder why?
https://cyprus-mail.com/2019/01/18/po-f ... prus-flag/

P&O Cruises re-registered fleet in Bermuda years ago, before anyone ever mentioned the B word. Just saying....

FAKE NEWS ALERT Britannia is registered in the UK.

P&O Cruises re-registered fleet in Bermuda years ago, before anyone ever mentioned the B word. Just saying....

Not all of them - Britannia is registered in UK. Just saying ...

Quite right. But she wasn't in the fleet at the time!

[barney]

"One EU President not two"
There are actually three Merv.

Juncker, Tusk & Tajani.

[Ray Scully]

Interesting item on the Jeremy Vine Show on Friday about the letter written to the Times by various people in Germany, including the person tipped to be Angela Merkel's successor, regretting our decision to leave.

They said they'd miss us for various things, including going to the pub and driving on the left. Well here's the good news, they will still be able to come here to share those things. To be cynical, they didn't mention missing our money! Which they won't be getting after the transition period.

But they also said they'll miss our role in helping to reform the EU.

Well if they're serious, let's talk about that. There's been no sign of reform during our EU membership. Quite the opposite. When the referendum was planned and Call Me Dave went seeking reforms to address our concerns he got bu**er all.

But here's my suggestion to move forward.

We don't cancel Article 50. We don't delay it and continue exit negotiations. We suspend it for 12 months on a double or quits bet.

In that 12 months we discuss staying and the reforms that would satisfy Brexiteers and enable us to do so. And believe me there are reforms which could make me change my mind. They would include freedom of movement to work or holiday but not to doss or commit crimes. My remainer friends claim the numbers in the latter categories are small, so I don't see that should be a problem. No benefits payable within 5 years of coming and none paid ever to relatives of EU citizens not themselves resident here. Anyone committing a crime sent home with no right to ever return. That should all of course to reciprocal. EU courts to be subservient to national courts. Strasbourg closed and the monthly travel nonsense stopped. National sovereignty to be dominant over the EU at all times. Bureaucracy and budgets slashed by 5% per year for 5 years then frozen for ten. EU Commission to be led by the European Parliament, not the other way round. One EU President not two. Paid no more than the lowest paid Prime Minister or euqivalent in the EU. Human rights to be earned and matched by human responsibilities. The only inalienable Human Right being the right to life. Asylum seekers to be properly processed in the country they first land in and looked after well there. Not packed into lorries and flimsy boats and forwarded to the UK. No bail outs of Euro countries by non Euro countries. That's for starters.

If such reforms are agreed and implemented within the 12 months we cancel Brexit and stay.

If not we exit with no divorce payment and an immediate free trade deal.

Let's see how much they really want us.

What about sack Junker and replace him with Barney

[barney]

The only thing we have in common is our wine consumption

[Ray Scully]

The only thing we have in common is our wine consumption

[barney]

For the purpose of clarity, I love Europe.

[towny44]

Interesting item on the Jeremy Vine Show on Friday about the letter written to the Times by various people in Germany, including the person tipped to be Angela Merkel's successor, regretting our decision to leave.

They said they'd miss us for various things, including going to the pub and driving on the left. Well here's the good news, they will still be able to come here to share those things. To be cynical, they didn't mention missing our money! Which they won't be getting after the transition period.

But they also said they'll miss our role in helping to reform the EU.

Well if they're serious, let's talk about that. There's been no sign of reform during our EU membership. Quite the opposite. When the referendum was planned and Call Me Dave went seeking reforms to address our concerns he got bu**er all.

But here's my suggestion to move forward.

We don't cancel Article 50. We don't delay it and continue exit negotiations. We suspend it for 12 months on a double or quits bet.

In that 12 months we discuss staying and the reforms that would satisfy Brexiteers and enable us to do so. And believe me there are reforms which could make me change my mind. They would include freedom of movement to work or holiday but not to doss or commit crimes. My remainer friends claim the numbers in the latter categories are small, so I don't see that should be a problem. No benefits payable within 5 years of coming and none paid ever to relatives of EU citizens not themselves resident here. Anyone committing a crime sent home with no right to ever return. That should all of course to reciprocal. EU courts to be subservient to national courts. Strasbourg closed and the monthly travel nonsense stopped. National sovereignty to be dominant over the EU at all times. Bureaucracy and budgets slashed by 5% per year for 5 years then frozen for ten. EU Commission to be led by the European Parliament, not the other way round. One EU President not two. Paid no more than the lowest paid Prime Minister or euqivalent in the EU. Human rights to be earned and matched by human responsibilities. The only inalienable Human Right being the right to life. Asylum seekers to be properly processed in the country they first land in and looked after well there. Not packed into lorries and flimsy boats and forwarded to the UK. No bail outs of Euro countries by non Euro countries. That's for starters.

If such reforms are agreed and implemented within the 12 months we cancel Brexit and stay.

If not we exit with no divorce payment and an immediate free trade deal.

Let's see how much they really want us.

I agree totally Merv, but its as unlikely as Town staying up.

[oldbluefox]

Sacre bleu!! Merv has outlined much of what is wrong with the EU but would they accept it? I very much doubt it no matter how much they say they want us to stay. Call Me Dave tried to get concessions and they sent him packing empty handed so much as I agree with Merv's wish list I think it will cross too many of their red lines.
As has already been said, we voted to leave so they are not bending at all.

[david63]

As I understand it the major stumbling block (apart from the Remainers) is the backstop agreement. So I have the solution - get Ireland to leave at the same time - simples!!

[Onelife]

Hi Sir Merv...l'll give you 8 out 10 for effort but l have to agree with the three previous posts, that being said all is not lost, you could forward your suggestions to labour party HQ as they clearly haven't a clue what they want to do.

[Jack Staff]

As I understand it the major stumbling block (apart from the Remainers) is the backstop agreement. So I have the solution - get Ireland to leave at the same time - simples!!

Yes, Brexit failing is all the fault of the Irish and the Remainers, oh and some MP's and the Lords, and the judges, and the Bank of England, and Scotland, and the saboteurs, and the BMA, and the NFU, and Juncker,

But apart from the Irish and the Remainers, and some MP's and the Lords, and the judges, and the Bank of England, and Scotland, and the saboteurs, and the BMA, and the NFU, and Juncker,
why else is Brexit failing?

[barney]

The Irish government is in danger of making ours look competent. In the desperate hope of EU unity, they are moving closer to no agreement as the days pass by. Surely they can see that no WA means they are hung out to dry. They need unfettered access to the UK to get to Europe. It all seems a bit crazy to me. Please explain how a border can benefit them.

[towny44]

As I understand it the major stumbling block (apart from the Remainers) is the backstop agreement. So I have the solution - get Ireland to leave at the same time - simples!!

I believe I already suggested that months ago.

[barney]

As I understand it the major stumbling block (apart from the Remainers) is the backstop agreement. So I have the solution - get Ireland to leave at the same time - simples!!

Yes, Brexit failing is all the fault of the Irish and the Remainers, oh and some MP's and the Lords, and the judges, and the Bank of England, and Scotland, and the saboteurs, and the BMA, and the NFU, and Juncker,

But apart from the Irish and the Remainers, and some MP's and the Lords, and the judges, and the Bank of England, and Scotland, and the saboteurs, and the BMA, and the NFU, and Juncker,
why else is Brexit failing?

Dominic Greive has an exceptional legal mind and represents a leave constituency. Dr. Sarah Woolaston is a qualified M.D. and clearly very clever. She also represents a leave constituency. What a shame that these great minds have not been utilised to get a good withdrawal agreement. Had they accepted the result delivered by their own constituency, things could have been very different. NOTE. I did not include Anna Soubry for obvious reasons although her constituents also voted leave.

[Onelife]

As I understand it the major stumbling block (apart from the Remainers) is the backstop agreement. So I have the solution - get Ireland to leave at the same time - simples!!

Hi David.....l don't know if it would be economically beneficial for Ireland to do this but it would most certainly help solve the problem of the backstop.

[Jack Staff]

Hi David.....l don't know if it would be economically beneficial for Ireland to do this but it would most certainly help solve the problem of the backstop.

But Brexit isn't about the economy, so I'm told.

[Onelife]

As I understand it the major stumbling block (apart from the Remainers) is the backstop agreement. So I have the solution - get Ireland to leave at the same time - simples!!

Yes, Brexit failing is all the fault of the Irish and the Remainers, oh and some MP's and the Lords, and the judges, and the Bank of England, and Scotland, and the saboteurs, and the BMA, and the NFU, and Juncker,

But apart from the Irish and the Remainers, and some MP's and the Lords, and the judges, and the Bank of England, and Scotland, and the saboteurs, and the BMA, and the NFU, and Juncker,
why else is Brexit failing?

Here is a reason it mustn't fail...

On the evening of Friday 24th June, as the first day of mourning and celebration over the referendum result wound down in the UK, Jean-Claude Juncker gave an interview to German TV station ARD. “It is not an amicable divorce,” the president of the European Commission said of the Brexit vote. “But it was also not an intimate love affair.”

[Jack Staff]

Please explain how a border can benefit them.

Borders benefit no one. That's the point of the EU, by removing internal borders.
But any trading block needs a border at its' edge, be that the EU or WTO.
As the WTO needs a border around each country (to a greater or lesser extent) it is inferior to other trading blocks - that's why others exist..

[Jack Staff]

Here is a reason it mustn't fail...

Too late.

[barney]

That's a fair comment Jack. We've never really been fully in and have never embraced the concept. Both sides will be better off when we are fully out.

[Jack Staff]

That's a fair comment Jack. We've never really been fully in and have never embraced the concept. Both sides will be better off when we are fully out.

There is a feeling in the EU that Britain needs a little time 'outside' to understand.

[barney]

Yep. Then we can have a vote to join, should the majority wish it, fully knowing where the EU is going. Democracy rules.