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barney wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 16:41
That chap on QT was quite wrong to use that anology. That was a serious crisis. Brexit will be an inconvenience at worst and probably a minor temporary blip.
If I was feeling mischievous, I'd be keeping a note of all your posts that have the potential to age really badly! :lol:
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Gill W wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 16:58
Mervyn and Trish wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 15:53
We heard early on that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. So no deal. No divorce payment.
Then we go to them wanting to negotiate a trade deal.

What's the first thing they are going to ask for as a condition for agreeing a trade deal?

The money that we owe them.
Which we could agree. But they shouldn't get it if there's no deal.
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Gill W wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 16:58
What's the first thing they are going to ask for as a condition for agreeing a trade deal … ?
Howzabout ….

" Would you, the UK, please continue to buy more than you sell to us cos if you don't we are in BIG trouble ".

Yes / No ?
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Mervyn and Trish wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 17:35
Gill W wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 16:58
Mervyn and Trish wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 15:53
We heard early on that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. So no deal. No divorce payment.
Then we go to them wanting to negotiate a trade deal.

What's the first thing they are going to ask for as a condition for agreeing a trade deal?

The money that we owe them.
Which we could agree. But they shouldn't get it if there's no deal.
The 39bn is money we had already committed to pay. Reneging on commitments isn’t going to make them very receptive
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Manoverboard wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 17:56
Gill W wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 16:58
What's the first thing they are going to ask for as a condition for agreeing a trade deal … ?
Howzabout ….

" Would you, the UK, please continue to buy more than you sell to us cos if you don't we are in BIG trouble ".

Yes / No ?
Ah the old they need us more than we need them.
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Gill W wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 16:51
towny44 wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 15:00

Gill, what is the point of your repeated support of Brussels in your posts, we know you want to remain so there really is no need to keep reiterating your pro remain bias. No one can know for certain what the EU will do, but I expect they will listen to TM and only once they consider what she has to say and give their final response will we know the outcome. Repeating the remainer party line is terribly boring.
I'm not supporting Brussels, I'm just listening to what they are saying - and they are saying they aren't going to reopen negotiations. They haven't said this just once, they repeat it over and over.

It's nothing to do with a pro-remain bias, it's just realism.

However if there's no point in posts with a pro-remain bias, I assume that it follows that there no point in posts with a pro-leave bias.
Gill, I am not wanting to stop your posts, but I would like to understand more as to why you love the EU, rather than lots of idle tweets from your remainer friends. I have tried to give you my honest reasons for preferring leave, sadly with you and even Jack, we just get the party line.
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I hope Germany has somewhere to sell 769,000 cars to. I can't see Their car manufacturers being happy. But will we still buy them after Brexit? Not according to the doom-mongers amongst our Remainer friends.
In the real world of course we will still buy them.
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Gill W wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 18:17
Manoverboard wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 17:56
Gill W wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 16:58
What's the first thing they are going to ask for as a condition for agreeing a trade deal … ?
Howzabout ….

" Would you, the UK, please continue to buy more than you sell to us cos if you don't we are in BIG trouble ".

Yes / No ?
Ah the old they need us more than we need them.
Yes and that is because those are the raw facts of the trading situation between the UK and the EU.

Perhaps you think that the maths is unimportant, I on the other hand do not.
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oldbluefox wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 18:27
I hope Germany has somewhere to sell 769,000 cars to. I can't see Their car manufacturers being happy. But will we still buy them after Brexit? Not according to the doom-mongers amongst our Remainer friends.
In the real world of course we will still buy them.
If we have a deal then I agree but if we are forced to go for the ' No Deal ' option then there could be a backlash with folk avoiding French and German products. I suspect that I would be one of them on the basis of preferring to buy products made in Britain or from Countries who are willing to make trade deals with us in our hour of need.
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I'm cancelling my May cruise to the Med as I don't want to spend my hard earned in their countries. I shall holiday in the UK. Many more may do the same if travelling becomes tiresome. I know my friends in Malta are very worried that this could happen. The UK tourist is a major part of their business.
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We are going to suffer but at least Johnny Foreigner is going to suffer as well. What Ho! Jolly hockey sticks!
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Agree a deal. That's the sensible solution. It's not rocket science.
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We already have the best deal possible.
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It's not the best deal if one side don't approve it.
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Jack Staff wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 20:04
We already have the best deal possible.
The WA stinks.
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barney wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 20:36
Jack Staff wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 20:04
We already have the best deal possible.
The WA stinks.
Doesn't it though? Vassal state 'n all that.

But it is better than no deal.

That's why we should keep the one we already have.
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towny44 wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 18:23
Gill W wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 16:51
towny44 wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 15:00

Gill, what is the point of your repeated support of Brussels in your posts, we know you want to remain so there really is no need to keep reiterating your pro remain bias. No one can know for certain what the EU will do, but I expect they will listen to TM and only once they consider what she has to say and give their final response will we know the outcome. Repeating the remainer party line is terribly boring.
I'm not supporting Brussels, I'm just listening to what they are saying - and they are saying they aren't going to reopen negotiations. They haven't said this just once, they repeat it over and over.

It's nothing to do with a pro-remain bias, it's just realism.

However if there's no point in posts with a pro-remain bias, I assume that it follows that there no point in posts with a pro-leave bias.
Gill, I am not wanting to stop your posts, but I would like to understand more as to why you love the EU, rather than lots of idle tweets from your remainer friends. I have tried to give you my honest reasons for preferring leave, sadly with you and even Jack, we just get the party line.

I don't particularly love the EU.

In fact until the referendum, I barely thought about them, apart from a vague feeling of pleasure if I flew to Europe and went through the EU passport holders channel.

When the referendum came round I listened to both sides, as I initially didn't know what the best way to vote was.

The thing that swayed me that all the Leave arguments were vague promises. Like the 350 million to the NHS - I thought how could they possibly KNOW that would be paid to the NHS. It seemed to me that my life had been going along ok being in the EU, everything worked smoothly, my day to day life wasn't adverserely affected, and, probably most crucially, being in the EU offered more opportunities for young people.

Everything I've learned since has reinforced to me that I made the correct decision.

I do not follow any party line or agenda. I give my honest opinions and views. Regarding the current situation, the EU have said until they are blue in the face the WA negotiations will not be reopened. They would look like right idiots if the re -opened the negotiations after all that, so I tend to believe them.

I'm sorry you think my posts are Remain sound bites. I've always posted honestly and from the heart, so I'm disappointed that you think my tweets are idle.
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Manoverboard wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 18:29
Gill W wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 18:17
Manoverboard wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 17:56

Howzabout ….

" Would you, the UK, please continue to buy more than you sell to us cos if you don't we are in BIG trouble ".

Yes / No ?
Ah the old they need us more than we need them.
Yes and that is because those are the raw facts of the trading situation between the UK and the EU.

Perhaps you think that the maths is unimportant, I on the other hand do not.
We are one. They are 27. That's compelling enough maths for me
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Manoverboard wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 18:36
oldbluefox wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 18:27
I hope Germany has somewhere to sell 769,000 cars to. I can't see Their car manufacturers being happy. But will we still buy them after Brexit? Not according to the doom-mongers amongst our Remainer friends.
In the real world of course we will still buy them.
If we have a deal then I agree but if we are forced to go for the ' No Deal ' option then there could be a backlash with folk avoiding French and German products. I suspect that I would be one of them on the basis of preferring to buy products made in Britain or from Countries who are willing to make trade deals with us in our hour of need.
That's not a ringing endorsement of Brexit - 'our hour of need'
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This made me laugh https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47064953

Did JC ever vote against the party line? Somewhat hypocritical.

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Gill W wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 20:50
Manoverboard wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 18:36
oldbluefox wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 18:27
I hope Germany has somewhere to sell 769,000 cars to. I can't see Their car manufacturers being happy. But will we still buy them after Brexit? Not according to the doom-mongers amongst our Remainer friends.
If we have a deal then I agree but if we are forced to go for the ' No Deal ' option then there could be a backlash with folk avoiding French and German products. I suspect that I would be one of them on the basis of preferring to buy products made in Britain or from Countries who are willing to make trade deals with us in our hour of need.
That's not a ringing endorsement of Brexit - 'our hour of need'
That sounds like cheap point scoring to me … :thumbdown:


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Manoverboard wrote: 31 Jan 2019, 09:41
Gill W wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 20:50
Manoverboard wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 18:36

If we have a deal then I agree but if we are forced to go for the ' No Deal ' option then there could be a backlash with folk avoiding French and German products. I suspect that I would be one of them on the basis of preferring to buy products made in Britain or from Countries who are willing to make trade deals with us in our hour of need.
That's not a ringing endorsement of Brexit - 'our hour of need'
That sounds like cheap point scoring to me … :thumbdown:


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No - just highlighting the oddness that you support a policy you feel is going to result in our 'hour of need'
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barney wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 18:41
I'm cancelling my May cruise to the Med as I don't want to spend my hard earned in their countries. I shall holiday in the UK. Many more may do the same if travelling becomes tiresome. I know my friends in Malta are very worried that this could happen. The UK tourist is a major part of their business.
Why is travel going to become tiresome? Just the other day you were saying that Brexit will be a short lived minor inconvenience.

I've just paid for my May cruise, despite concerns about traffic making it difficult to get to Tilbury and the provisioning of the ship.

If It was ME cancelling a cruise because of Brexit, no doubt I would be subjected to scorn and guffaws of Project Fear!
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barney wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 18:41
I'm canceling my May cruise to the Med as I don't want to spend my hard earned in their countries. I shall holiday in the UK. Many more may do the same if traveling becomes tiresome. I know my friends in Malta are very worried that this could happen. The UK tourist is a major part of their business.
But will you really Barney?? That is the talk of a bigoted idealogue, not a label I would readily attach to you. :(
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Gill W wrote: 31 Jan 2019, 09:56
No - just highlighting the oddness that you support a policy you feel is going to result in our 'hour of need'
If you had taken the trouble to read my post properly instead of just looking to nit-pic you would have noted that my ' hour of need ' comment related to a ' NO Deal ' scenario. The policy I have supported all along, albeit with reservations, is TM's.
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