Brexit

[oldbluefox]

I didn't even realise that they had held two John but definitely remember the last one. We were definitely in the EU. I remember Cameron telling them that the only way they could remain in the EU was to stick with the UK. Politicians getting it wrong? Who'd a thought it?. If the majority vote to leave the UK I'm cool with that. That's sort of how it's supposed to work.

I agree totally Barney, if they achieve a majority leave vote, then democracy demands that we all agree, even the remain voters.

I expect the Tories would be happy with that.

[Gill W]

But.. but... Scotland voted to remain with the UK. I've been told incessantly that democracy demands that the vote is respected.

How are they going to achieve a majority leave vote, as having a second referendum would betray Willo The People.

[barney]

But.. but... Scotland voted to remain with the UK. I've been told incessantly that democracy demands that the vote is respected.

How are they going to achieve a majority leave vote, as having a second referendum would betray Willo The People.

All they have to do is petition the Government on the grounds that things have substantially changed and ask for another referendum in Scotland.
Then, if successful, they can leave the United Kingdom and apply to join the EU.as an independent country.
I'm sure that the EU would welcome them with open arms, assuming that they can meet the joining criteria.
I think it must be set quite low if Albania and Macedonia can get in.

It's not a second referendum Gill, but a new referendum, as the Willow The People was upheld in the previous one.
See the difference ?
The original vote was to stay, so they stayed.
In our case, the vote was to leave, but some are trying their dam hardest to make sure we don't.

For someone who often appears intelligent and has her finger on the pulse, I'm sure you don't need me to explain it.

[Gill W]

Oh, a NEW referendum

*nods sagely*

Whereas a Brexit referendum asking a completely different question, such as May’s deal or no deal, or no deal or Remain, can only be a second referendum.

Okay.....

*notes mental gymnastics required to be a Leave voter*

Patronising comment at the end also noted

[barney]

I don't mean to be patronising dear, it's just that we haven't enacted the original referendum yet. Once that is done, if you want to call for another to join the EU, be my guest. Jack will support you.

[anniec]

I don't mean to be patronising dear, it's just that we haven't enacted the original referendum yet. Once that is done, if you want to call for another to join the EU, be my guest. Jack will support you.

Wow! I'm a committed leaver, but this is deliberate unpleasantness.

Can't we all just play nicely and agree that sometimes there are no right or wrong opinions, just different ones?

[anniec]

Double post, sorry.

[anniec]

Sorry, triple post.

[towny44]

I don't mean to be patronising dear, it's just that we haven't enacted the original referendum yet. Once that is done, if you want to call for another to join the EU, be my guest. Jack will support you.

Wow! I'm a committed leaver, but this is deliberate unpleasantness.

Can't we all just play nicely and agree that sometimes there are no right or wrong opinions, just different ones?

At the risk of being accused of sexism, why did you not consider Gill's initial post as being unpleasant?

[Gill W]

Don't bring sexism into it, it's nothing to do with sexism.

If you've got an issue with any of my posts speak to me about it, don't have a discussion with Barney about it as if I wasn't here.

[Gill W]

I don't mean to be patronising dear, it's just that we haven't enacted the original referendum yet. Once that is done, if you want to call for another to join the EU, be my guest. Jack will support you.

Wow! I'm a committed leaver, but this is deliberate unpleasantness.

Can't we all just play nicely and agree that sometimes there are no right or wrong opinions, just different ones?

Don't worry, Annie, I'm used to all this, it goes with the territory.

It's a bit like this Donald Tusk thing. It wasn't diplomatic what he said, but Johnson and Gove have said some awful things about the EU. Eventually someone will bite back, and then they don't like it.

It's the same here, lots of inflammatory things have been said by the 'boys', and when anybody bites back, they don't like it so much.

[towny44]

Don't bring sexism into it, it's nothing to do with sexism.

If you've got an issue with any of my posts speak to me about it, don't have a discussion with Barney about it as if I wasn't here.

I was responding to Annie's post, although I accept that anyone would be able to read it and, as I have said often, I have absolutely no problem with any of your comments, just as long as you extend me the same courtesy. As regards the posts in question I was merely expressing my view that both your's and Barney's comments were heated, but not over the top in the context of these Brexit discussions.

[Gill W]

Annie didn't mention sexism, just unpleasantness.

As I've said before, I've no problem with anybody having opinions, including those that are different to mine.

I will, however, comment on posts if I want to know more, or if I think the post is contradictory. I think you believe this is me having a problem with your comments. It's not, but to be on that safe side I won't comment anymore on your posts, so you are free to say whatever you want, with no challenge from me

Can't say fairer than that

[Manoverboard]

It helps to have a sense of humour when reading posts from Barney, Towny, Foxy, Merv, OL, Screwy and myself otherwise it is far too easy to elect to be offended … just saying.

Maybe use of the ' ' icon would help.




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[Onelife]

Annie didn't mention sexism, just unpleasantness.

As I've said before, I've no problem with anybody having opinions, including those that are different to mine.

I will, however, comment on posts if I want to know more, or if I think the post is contradictory. I think you believe this is me having a problem with your comments. It's not, but to be on that safe side I won't comment anymore on your posts, so you are free to say whatever you want, with no challenge from me

Can't say fairer than that

Hi Gill...If you keep washing your hands of members who challenge your opinions you'll soon have no one to argue with...just saying

[screwy]

Interesting interview on all out politics this morning,International Customs Expert from Sweden stated the technology is in place to have Exports/Imports without the need for Border checks,it already happens in other countries,said it would take 2-3 yrs to implement here....transition period..? Just saying.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Interesting interview on all out politics this morning,International Customs Expert from Sweden stated the technology is in place to have Exports/Imports without the need for Border checks,it already happens in other countries,said it would take 2-3 yrs to implement here....transition period..? Just saying.

[Gill W]

It helps to have a sense of humour when reading posts from Barney, Towny, Foxy, Merv, OL, Screwy and myself otherwise it is far too easy to elect to be offended … just saying.

Maybe use of the ' ' icon would help.




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Likewise when reading my posts - but you all seem to lose your sense of humour then!

There's an awful lot of self elected indignation from the majority when it comes to my posts

[Manoverboard]

Likewise when reading my posts - but you all seem to lose your sense of humour then!

That, Gill, I found to be periodically true but extremely amusing

There's an awful lot of self elected indignation from the majority when it comes to my posts

… but then you went into ' victim ' mode, which as you probably know, doesn't always go down too well with us blokes

[Gill W]

No, I didn't go into victim mode. I noted Barney's patronising comment. However, I didn't feel patronised, as I'm confident enough not to be made to feel inferior.

[barney]

No, I didn't go into victim mode. I noted Barney's patronising comment. However, I didn't feel patronised, as I'm confident enough not to be made to feel inferior.

I should have included a Gill, because it was meant to be funny.
Sorry if it upset you at all.
I love our little banters and would hate to think that you would call it a day over a patronising comment (which was intended as a joke)

Anyway, back to the ironing and preparing tonight's dinner

[Manoverboard]

… and polishing the fingerprints off the wine glasses

[Onelife]

As far as l am concerned remainers have had ample opportunity to change the direction of Brexit and have failed at every hurdle. They now need to stop all this UK bashing and get behind our countries attempts to get the best deal for the UK.

Still loving Theresa

[Gill W]

No, I didn't go into victim mode. I noted Barney's patronising comment. However, I didn't feel patronised, as I'm confident enough not to be made to feel inferior.

I should have included a Gill, because it was meant to be funny.
Sorry if it upset you at all.
I love our little banters and would hate to think that you would call it a day over a patronising comment (which was intended as a joke)

Anyway, back to the ironing and preparing tonight's dinner

No you didn't upset me, but, as we cant see each other's faces it's sometimes difficult to tell what's meant as a joke and what's serious.

Agree that are the way to go

[barney]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/n ... spartanntp

This will throw the cat amongst the pigeons should Brexit be delayed.

Imagine if the UK returned 75 anti EU MEPS who would link up with all the other countries anti EU MEPs.
Anti EU MEPs could well end up being a major group in the EU Parliament.

That would go down well with Verhofstadt !