Brexit

[barney]

That's because you're not a software specialist … just saying

How do you know?

I'd take a guess and say that you are a specialist in everything known to man.

[Manoverboard]

ps …. except software

[towny44]

That's because you're not a software specialist … just saying

How do you know?

I'd take a guess and say that you are a specialist in everything known to man.

He is certainly an expert in dancing around giving direct answers.

[Jack Staff]

So that's the level of "banter" we are down to.

[barney]

How do you know?

I'd take a guess and say that you are a specialist in everything known to man.

He is certainly an expert in dancing around giving direct answers.

Now, now, John !

Jack sees it as he sees it, and we see it as we see it.

Brexit has divided this country more than anything in the past.

Some, like us think that it's a wonderful opportunity while others, like Jack, think that all was pretty well rosy in the garden, so why change anything.

Only time will tell who was correct.

My opinion is that Brexit will not be as good as some hoped, while being nowhere near as bad as some fear.

The most important part for me is that this country will make it's own laws and decisions, without influence from the technocrats in the EU.

With the advent of QMV on many more issues, a few EU countries will also start to question why they should remain, particularly those with current tax advantages like Ireland and Malta.

[Gill W]

I see May is giving an update to the Commons tomorrow. What’s the betting it’ll be the same as the last one, and the one before, and the one before that.

[barney]

Bet it is. Really.

[Onelife]

That's because you're not a software specialist … just saying

How do you know?

I'd take a guess and say that you are a specialist in everything known to man.

Now that did make me chuckle

[Onelife]

I see May is giving an update to the Commons tomorrow. What’s the betting it’ll be the same as the last one, and the one before, and the one before that.

I wouldn't bet against that happening but then remainers have been banging out the same old tune ever since the referendum... and getting nowhere..

[Jack Staff]

Loving this idea that you can say anything you want, with no consideration, or grip on reality, as long as you put a at the end.

I think I might have some fun with this

[barney]

youz funny you is

[Jack Staff]

youz funny you is

No. Annoyed at the implication I have lied, and no for the first time.

But now I know it is OK to say things like that, with no proof or in fact reason, as long as you at the end.

[Onelife]

Loving this idea that you can say anything you want, with no consideration, or grip on reality, as long as you put a at the end.

I think I might have some fun with this

Good for you Jack...

Lowers blood pressure. People who lower their blood pressure, even those who start at normal levels, will reduce their risk of stroke and heart attack. .Reduces stress hormone levels. ...
Works your abs. ...
Improves cardiac health. ...
Boosts T-cells. ...
Triggers the release of endorphins. ...
Produces a general sense of well-being

[towny44]

I see the BBC newsroom was in high spirits today after the release of the Q4 economic data showing our economy is slowing down, and of course the main reason is Brexit, with maybe just a little help from the weaker demand from China for JLR cars as well as weaker world economic growth overall; with only a slight mention that our forecast for 2019 is for better growth than all of the EU, including Germany. It must have gladdened the hearts of the arch remainers like Tony Bliar, as well as many other remainers.
The BBC is looking less and less like the "good old Aunty" of yesteryear that we all remember so fondly.

[barney]

The Beeb is just reporting the news, although they do seem to put a slight anti Brexit slant on things but nowhere near as bad as SkyNews.

The world economy is slowing down with the exception of the USA (despite Trump)

Brexit is certainly not helping the situation, but is by no means the cause.

I'd rather be in the UK position of slower projected growth than in some other countries positions of negative growth.

In the event of a No Deal Brexit, a few economies on the brink will be tipped over.
I was reading about the Spanish berry industry this morning. 26% of their total output currently comes to the UK.
They are very concerned about Brexit and the effects on them.

It seems that many are bothered except Juncker, Barnier and Tusk.
The only fruit that they are concerned about are cherries and who is picking them.

The integrity of the single market and customs union are more important than hundreds of thousands of European jobs … apparently.
And then they wonder why there is an EU backlash all across Europe and the rise of anti EU parties.

One single sentence in the WA can change everything.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Even the pro-EU BBC was reporting this morning that if the EU doesn't shift on the backstop we're heading for no deal, no backstop and an immediate hard border. If anyone can be bothered to build one.

[Onelife]

"MPs can keep on asking for “no deal” to be taken off the table but the public don’t trust those who ask this to deliver Brexit. We’d have more trust and support if we said take Remain off the table too".

Caroline Flint.

[barney]

I'm not too sure that Remain is still on the table. Only in the minds of deluded remainers like Alistair Campbell. I'm pretty sure most MPs have given up on that, haven't they. I think it's just about on what terms we leave.

[Onelife]

I'm not too sure that Remain is still on the table. Only in the minds of deluded remainers like Alistair Campbell. I'm pretty sure most MPs have given up on that, haven't they. I think it's just about on what terms we leave.

Yep! You're right Barney, there'll be no resurrection for that dead donkey and the sooner the diehard remainers accept that they won't be getting a referendum either the easier it will be for the UK to deliver on one of the only two options left.

[Quizzical Bob]

If ease of trade was the only criteria then your comment may have merit QB, since there are lots of other reasons, that the leavers on this thread have expounded tirelessly over the last 3 years, involved in the decision then your comment lacks any merit.

I must have missed those. I have been asking for more than two years for some - any - benfits of leaving and I am still waiting for an answer.

You seem to have the same problem as Jack then QB.

For the two of you to keep on relentlessly saying you've been asking and are still waiting is bizarre.

The answer to your question has been posted repeatedly. Maybe your PC is defective?

Or maybe if you don't agree with an argument or opinion you don't see it?

I don't expect Remainers to agree with Leaver opinions, that is the nature of debate.

Any more than I agree with your views.

But I don't pretend you haven't made your position clear.

You see, this is the only answer that I ever get given and there's nothing wrong with my PC. If you can think of an answer then please tell us. Please. PLease. Just one would be a start.

Which is the first EU-related law that you would like to see repealed and how does it affect you in your daily life?

[barney]

The first EU law that I would like to see repealed is the is the jurisdiction of the ECJ over our domestic Supreme Court.
It doesn't affect my DAILY life as but it is an infringement on the sovereignty of the United Kingdom.
To be subservient to a foreign court is the slippery slope to oblivion as an independent country.
Could you imagine what the result would have been in 1975, had this been included in the remain lobbying ?
A few like to pretend that it was obvious what the country was voting for back then, but the reality is very different, as history has proved.



From what I am led to believe, the Government is going to transpose all existing EU law into British law and once we have left, we can look at what we want to keep and what we want to ditch.
I'd call that sensible and democratic.

[towny44]

You see, this is the only answer that I ever get given and there's nothing wrong with my PC. If you can think of an answer then please tell us. Please. PLease. Just one would be a start.

Which is the first EU-related law that you would like to see repealed and how does it affect you in your daily life?

QB, I don't think I have ever expressed concern about EU related laws, although I do want to be free of any ECJ jurisdiction, and other than stopping our (nett) budget payments there is unlikely to be any current financial benefit,. However I do worry that the increasing emphasis by the EU on supporting the euro and the weaker countries in the eurozone will require even greater resources of labour from what is already a bloated bureaucracy, and whilst we are not in the euro, and should not be required to support the eurozone, it will become ever more difficult to separate these costs from the general running costs.
But the main reasons I want to leave are that I no longer believe that the EU fulfills the needs that drew us in initially, I want to be in a free trade organisation that recognises the needs of the nation states and does not want to be a political super power.
There is, IMO, no need for the European parliament, do away with Euro, because it is economically flawed, and make the members of the commission a rolling group nominated from each states MPs with very limited terms of office, and a watching brief to ensure the bureaucracy does not grow out of hand, and that it runs a balanced budget, and the commission officials should continue to be paid by their country. All of the above should massively reduce the EU bureaucracy and should make it viable for years to come.
Since this is all a pipedream, the only alternative for me was to vote to leave and hopefully agree a sensible trade deal that kept most of what we currently enjoy, but with the prospect of formulating our own trade deals. Not because I felt that we would be financially better off, but hopefully not substantially worse off. Simple as that.

[Mervyn and Trish]

You see, this is the only answer that I ever get given and there's nothing wrong with my PC.

Well I gave you the benefit of the doubt QBob. If it's not your PC sadly it must be you. I and others have repeatedly given our reasons for wishing to leave, just as you have given yours for wishing to stay. I've seen your posts. I'm at a loss why you haven't seen mine. I'm not repeating them. Just accept we have different views. And in the vote ours prevailed.

[Jack Staff]

Well that explains a lot. I too have a defective PC.
But as I built it myself I only have myself to blame.
I thought I knew a little bit about computers, but luckily I have been informed recently that I don't.

[barney]

Touchy!