Brexit

[Ray Scully]

Sadly and despite my Scouse sense of humour I find little to laugh about on this thread

[Jack Staff]

Jack, I have read the link and it clearly shows that economics was at the top of the remain list, but nowhere in the leavers list, and I am deeply disappointed that you seem to consider that, ---
"" The most frequently selected reason among Leave voters––ticked by 45%––was, ‘to strike a better balance between Britain's right to act independently, and the appropriate level of co-operation with other countries’. The second most frequently selected reason among Leave voters––ticked by 26%––was, ‘to help us deal better with the issue of immigration’""
are signs that leave voters were xenophobic, you do appear to have a particularly warped view of life, or maybe its just a warped view of leavers.

John, you say that leavers aren't xenophobic by saying they don't want to be controlled by foreigners and do want to control immigration.
I suggest you need to rethink your position.

We have previously discussed how we are not currently controlled by foreigners and it has been widely reported how immigration is going to rise post Brexit. Well done.

[towny44]

Jack, I have read the link and it clearly shows that economics was at the top of the remain list, but nowhere in the leavers list, and I am deeply disappointed that you seem to consider that, ---
"" The most frequently selected reason among Leave voters––ticked by 45%––was, ‘to strike a better balance between Britain's right to act independently, and the appropriate level of co-operation with other countries’. The second most frequently selected reason among Leave voters––ticked by 26%––was, ‘to help us deal better with the issue of immigration’""
are signs that leave voters were xenophobic, you do appear to have a particularly warped view of life, or maybe its just a warped view of leavers.

John, you say that leavers aren't xenophobic by saying they don't want to be controlled by foreigners and do want to control immigration.
I suggest you need to rethink your position.

We have previously discussed how we are not currently controlled by foreigners and it has been widely reported how immigration is going to rise post Brexit. Well done.

Jack, the dictionary definition of xenophobia is extreme and unreasonable fear or dislike of foreigners and their cultures, now, even for you, to call the highlighted text xenophobic is really several steps too far.

[Jack Staff]

Jack, the dictionary definition of xenophobia is extreme and unreasonable fear or dislike of foreigners and their cultures, now, even for you, to call the highlighted text xenophobic is really several steps too far.

John, there is another word for your view. I have purposely avoided using it. I considered xenophobia was less offensive.

[Manoverboard]

Sadly and despite my Scouse sense of humour I find little to laugh about on this thread

That's cos you're a miserable old sod purporting to be a Scouser

[Manoverboard]

It’s easier to have a sense of humour when you are surrounded by your like minded pals.

or …. it's easier to share a sense of humour with your like minded pals if you actually have a sense of humour

However, it's weird how those who claim to have a sense of humour forget their sense of humour when the joke is at their expense

I have just tested you theory out on Ray, let's see how it goes

[towny44]

Jack, the dictionary definition of xenophobia is extreme and unreasonable fear or dislike of foreigners and their cultures, now, even for you, to call the highlighted text xenophobic is really several steps too far.

John, there is another word for your view. I have purposely avoided using it. I considered xenophobia was less offensive.

Jack, not certain which of your vitriolic views of leavers you are thinking about, but it saddens me that you seem to have such pent up hatred for us.
Separately why do remainers keep repeating that we couldn't have voted to make us poorer; with all the dire warnings of the economic catastrophe from the remain campaign, we would have needed to be brain dead not to have taken this into account when we voted leave.
Why is it that after nearly 3 years of discussion, on here and elsewhere, you still don't understand how we leavers tick, could it be that its maybe not the leavers who are poorly educated and ill informed?

[Jack Staff]

Jack, the dictionary definition of xenophobia is extreme and unreasonable fear or dislike of foreigners and their cultures, now, even for you, to call the highlighted text xenophobic is really several steps too far.

John, there is another word for your view. I have purposely avoided using it. I considered xenophobia was less offensive.

Jack, not certain which of your vitriolic views of leavers you are thinking about, but it saddens me that you seem to have such pent up hatred for us.

Just sadness at what you have done to my country.

Separately why do remainers keep repeating that we couldn't have voted to make us poorer; with all the dire warnings of the economic catastrophe from the remain campaign, we would have needed to be brain dead not to have taken this into account when we voted leave.

Yet you still voted to make everyone poorer, restrict opportunities, the possibility of the lack of food and medicine....

Why is it that after nearly 3 years of discussion, on here and elsewhere, you still don't understand how we leavers tick, could it be that its maybe not the leavers who are poorly educated and ill informed?

I think we just proved in previous posts what makes you tick at least.

[screwy]

Jack, the dictionary definition of xenophobia is extreme and unreasonable fear or dislike of foreigners and their cultures, now, even for you, to call the highlighted text xenophobic is really several steps too far.

John, there is another word for your view. I have purposely avoided using it. I considered xenophobia was less offensive.

Just say the word Jack,then we all know how you really feel.!

[Ray Scully]

Sadly and despite my Scouse sense of humour I find little to laugh about on this thread

That's cos you're a miserable old sod purporting to be a Scouser

Well, Moby we all have our crosses to bear
thankfully I'm not a xenophobe

[Onelife]

Jack, the dictionary definition of xenophobia is extreme and unreasonable fear or dislike of foreigners and their cultures, now, even for you, to call the highlighted text xenophobic is really several steps too far.

John, there is another word for your view. I have purposely avoided using it. I considered xenophobia was less offensive.

Just say the word Jack,then we all know how you really feel.!

Yeah Jack......just do it!.....l ain't seen anyone red penned for ages



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[Manoverboard]

Sadly and despite my Scouse sense of humour I find little to laugh about on this thread

That's cos you're a miserable old sod purporting to be a Scouser

Well, Moby we all have our crosses to bear
thankfully I'm not a xenophobe

Me neither although I did try to play one once …..

[Onelife]

That's cos you're a miserable old sod purporting to be a Scouser

Well, Moby we all have our crosses to bear
thankfully I'm not a xenophobe

Me neither although I did try to play one once …..

Oh...so that's how you spell it

[barney]

Taken from today's Euronews

As 100’000’s of German jobs hang by a thread;
FORMER European Commission president José Manuel Barroso sent a stern message to his successor Jean-Claude Juncker – urging the European Union to “compromise” on the Irish backstop or risk a no deal Brexit.
Jean-Claude Juncker, the highest ranking European Union official, has repeatedly refused reopen the withdrawal agreement or make changes to the controversial Brexit backstop proposal. But Jose Manuel Barroso told Euronews it is time for the EU to make some Brexit concessions and use “legal creativity” to come to an agreement on the Irish border issue…

Taken form the Guardian

2019
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... o-varadkar
2018
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... t-varadkar

Spot the difference ?

Varadkar has well and truely painted himself into a corner.
I hope his 'mates' help him out because he will need billions and a strong stomach, unless of course he is willing to be reasonable.

[Jack Staff]

Taken from today's Euronews

As 100’000’s of German jobs hang by a thread;

We have already lost 208,387 jobs to Brexit
5 Feb - and of course this figure has nothing to do with Brexit but with the lack of demand for diesel engines and anyway it must be from a remainer site so totally biased.

[barney]

Taken from today's Euronews

As 100’000’s of German jobs hang by a thread;

We have already lost 208,387 jobs to Brexit
5 Feb - and of course this figure has nothing to do with Brexit but with the lack of demand for diesel engines and anyway it must be from a remainer site so totally biased.

Please be kind enough to explain the paradox of today's employment figures in the UK

From 5 hours ago
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47290331

[Jack Staff]

Please be kind enough to explain the paradox of today's employment figures in the UK

No paradox. You only have to work something like one hour in two weeks to classed as employed nowadays.
Gig economy. Not what we would call employment.

[barney]

Please be kind enough to explain the paradox of today's employment figures in the UK

No paradox. You only have to work something like one hour in two weeks to classed as employed nowadays.
Gig economy. Not what we would call employment.

Oh! right.
So how do we explain that the average wage is now over £450 a week.

Can you not admit that all is not doom and gloom and the country that you profess to love so much is actually doing ok overall.

I fully appreciate that you simply cannot accept the fact the we are leaving the EU, but to distort every single situation leaves you very open to ridicule.

[Jack Staff]

Oh! right.
So how do we explain that the average wage is now over £450 a week.

Can you not admit that all is not doom and gloom and the country that you profess to love so much is actually doing ok overall.

I fully appreciate that you simply cannot accept the fact the we are leaving the EU, but to distort every single situation leaves you very open to ridicule.

Because the difference in wages is now astronomical.
It only takes a few 'fat cats' to bring up that average.
Those fat cats on stupid money pay peanuts because their pals in government then top up the low paid with our taxes. Thus making themselves fatter.
Also makes us poorer too.
Thought you were a little bit of a lefty and would be well aware of that.
It's all in JRM's fathers book.

[towny44]

Please be kind enough to explain the paradox of today's employment figures in the UK

No paradox. You only have to work something like one hour in two weeks to classed as employed nowadays.
Gig economy. Not what we would call employment.

So are our stats collected differently to the other countries of the EU?

[barney]

Oh! right.
So how do we explain that the average wage is now over £450 a week.

Can you not admit that all is not doom and gloom and the country that you profess to love so much is actually doing ok overall.

I fully appreciate that you simply cannot accept the fact the we are leaving the EU, but to distort every single situation leaves you very open to ridicule.

Because the difference in wages is now astronomical.
It only takes a few 'fat cats' to bring up that average.
Those fat cats on stupid money pay peanuts because their pals in government then top up the low paid with our taxes. Thus making themselves fatter.
Also makes us poorer too.
Thought you were a little bit of a lefty and would be well aware of that.
It's all in JRM's fathers book.

I may be a bit of a lefty Jack, but I can also add up and take away.

You allude to the fact that the country is up s*it creek without a paddle when the stats show something quite different.

If you argued that things were pretty good economically because we were still in the EU, your arguement may have a bit of traction, but to deny the facts makes you look a bit of a .......

[Mervyn and Trish]

..... fat cats on stupid money pay peanuts because their pals in government then top up the low paid with our taxes. Thus making themselves fatter..

And the fat cats have been able to get away with paying peanuts topped up with benefits because Eastern Europeans are willing to come here because they're even worse off at home.

Post Brexit the fat cats currently whinging about how they'll struggle to get cheap labour may have to invest a bit more in trainIng the British workforce and offering them longer hours and a living wage.

[Jack Staff]

I may be a bit of a lefty Jack, but I can also add up and take away.

You allude to the fact that the country is up s*it creek without a paddle when the stats show something quite different.

If you argued that things were pretty good economically because we were still in the EU, your arguement may have a bit of traction, but to deny the facts makes you look a bit of a .......

The fact that we started before Brexit in a good place goes without saying.
But who produces those stats? How many times has the 'formula' been changed?
I wasn't aware I had denied any 'facts', but we all know the difference between rich and poor has increased.

[barney]

I may be a bit of a lefty Jack, but I can also add up and take away.

You allude to the fact that the country is up s*it creek without a paddle when the stats show something quite different.

If you argued that things were pretty good economically because we were still in the EU, your arguement may have a bit of traction, but to deny the facts makes you look a bit of a .......

The fact that we started before Brexit in a good place goes without saying.
But who produces those stats? How many times has the 'formula' been changed?
I wasn't aware I had denied any 'facts', but we all know the difference between rich and poor has increased.

You can't just keep denying things because they don't fit.
Who produces the stats? I don't blimmin' know!
Has the formula been changed? I don't blimmin' know.

What I do know is that a few months ago, you were heralding the deal between the EU and Japan as something great.

The EU – Japan trade deal means that Japan need not have ANY factories in the EU.
As a consequence, all Japanese investment in every country of the EU can be brought to an end and provide jobs for the Japanese.

We all know that Japan is one of the most 'closed' countries in the world.
Any Japanese politician will always put the Japanese before any foreigner.

Be careful what you wish for.

[barney]

Meanwhile, yet another blow for project fear.

Didn't you say that thousands of jobs in finance would go Europe.

from the Independent.
London’s three main clearing houses, LCH, ICE Clear Europe and LME Clear, have been recognised by the European Securities and Markets Authority (Esma), just 39 days before the UK is set to leave the EU – with or without a deal.
The three companies process deals in commodities, securities and derivatives and underpin London’s dominance in the European clearing business.
Paris, Frankfurt and other European financial hubs hoped to prise much of that lucrative business away from London after Brexit.
But Esma said recognising London’s clearing houses would “limit the risk of disruption in central clearing and to avoid any negative impact on the financial stability of the EU”.

A bit of common sense from the financial sector.

Have you ever wondered why the City of London have been very quiet during the entire Brexit process.

I know why !