Brexit

[Mervyn and Trish]

I just love the way Sturgeon is like Kryptonite to you guys!

I just love the way you'll quote her like she matters!

Sorry Merv, I forgot anyone who doesn't agree with you doesn't matter.

You forgot the sarcasm emoji Jack. She doesn't matter to me because she leads a party which is a minority at Westminster, and is a fading force in her own country which is a small part of the UK. Her party has a single issue and fails at everything else. If we had proportional representation she'd have fewer MPs than UKIP. I really don't care what her views are on Brexit.

But then you'd quote Homer Simpson if he said anything pro EU.

[Gill W]

Reading this thread illustrates how divided this country has become because of Brexit.

As Jack says, this isn't going to go away, this division will fester away for years to come.

You all seem to be castigating Jack for being negative. From the other side of the fence, the optimism shown by some on this board borders on the irrational.

Leave and Remain are polrised. Both sides find it impossible to understand the mind set of the other side. It's not Jack that's depressing me - it's what this country has become due to Brexit that depresses me.

[barney]

I bet the EU are also depressed after finding out that they will have to continue to pay for the lease in Canary Wharf for the departing EMA. A cool £500 million. The court has ruled that the decision to pull out of the UK was not enough reason to terminate the lease. Red faces in Brussels. They will now be paying two leases.

[Jack Staff]

The real issue David is that we can control it. Zero or whatever percentage is up to us and whoever we are looking to deal with. No more interference. The EU can be as protectionist as they want.

Wrong. The percentage is up to the WTO, whoever we are looking to trade with and the rest of the world who we will also have to offer the very same percentage.

Barney, who are you going to vote for in the WTO elections?

If the EU are protectionist it was us they were protecting.

[barney]

Once again you appear to be a little bit confused or maybe it's me, but that doesn't make much sense.

[Jack Staff]

Once again you appear to be a little bit confused or maybe it's me, but that doesn't make much sense.

Which bit?

[Manoverboard]

Reading this thread illustrates how divided this country has become because of Brexit …

I agree but on this site it seems more the case of Optimists vs Pessimists, it is only by coincidence that one lot are Leavers and t'others are Remainers.

[oldbluefox]

Reading this thread illustrates how divided this country has become because of Brexit …

I agree but on this site it seems more the case of Optimists vs Pessimists, it is only by coincidence that one lot are Leavers and t'others are Remainers.

..........or of those who have accepted the result of the referendum (many of whom voted to Remain) against those who cannot/will not accept the result and do everything in their power to overturn it.

[Jack Staff]

Reading this thread illustrates how divided this country has become because of Brexit …

I agree but on this site it seems more the case of Optimists vs Pessimists, it is only by coincidence that one lot are Leavers and t'others are Remainers.

I take it you think I am a pessimist, but I am really optimistic now. Every day something new comes up making the Brexit catastrophe look a little less likely.

[Jack Staff]

... those who cannot/will not accept the result and do everything in their power to overturn it.

Democracy

[Gill W]

I would describe myself as a realist, not a pessimist.

So far, it’s gone much worse than I originally thought - realistically there’s no reason for optimism that it will miraculously sort itself out

[Manoverboard]

Reading this thread illustrates how divided this country has become because of Brexit …

I agree but on this site it seems more the case of Optimists vs Pessimists, it is only by coincidence that one lot are Leavers and t'others are Remainers.

I take it you think I am a pessimist, but I am really optimistic now. Every day something new comes up making the Brexit catastrophe look a little less likely.

To be optimistic because something is likely to fail is akin to being a dog in a manger …. a selfish pessimist perchance ?

[Jack Staff]

To be optimistic because something is likely to fail is akin to being a dog in a manger …. a selfish pessimist perchance ?

Brexit is going to fail. When is the question.

[Gill W]

Reading this thread illustrates how divided this country has become because of Brexit …

I agree but on this site it seems more the case of Optimists vs Pessimists, it is only by coincidence that one lot are Leavers and t'others are Remainers.

..........or of those who have accepted the result of the referendum (many of whom voted to Remain) against those who cannot/will not accept the result and do everything in their power to overturn it.

Personally, at the time of the referendum I accepted the result - however, in the light of everything that has happened since, I’m not going to be a hypocrite and pretend everything is fine. As I said, everything has gone worse than I thought it would, so yes, I’m going to speak up and say that Brexit is a really bad idea and question why we should proceed, especially in a no deal scenario, which would potentially be catastrophic.

I hate the thought of the damage this is causing, and we haven’t even left yet

[oldbluefox]

Brexit is going to fail. When is the question.

"..............against those who cannot/will not accept the result and do everything in their power to overturn it".

[Jack Staff]

Brexit is going to fail. When is the question.

"..............against those who cannot/will not accept the result and do everything in their power to overturn it".

Yes, as is my democratic right. Or is that another right you want to take away?

[barney]

I wonder if those so very keen on a 'people's vote' will put it to the test to their constitutes.

[Jack Staff]

I wonder if those so very keen on a 'people's vote' will put it to the test to their constitutes.

You mean like Farage after resigning from UKIP still being an MEP?

[towny44]

Like a lot of other so called economic crises, I imagine that there will be little impact on the average Brit after the initial BBC news inspired hullabaloo has died down. After a few years we will all look back and wonder what all the fuss was about.
Now I guess that Jack and Gill will be up in arms about that statement, but by 2022 most people will have no idea whether they are better or worse off than they would have been if we had stayed in the EU, and other factors will have taken centre stage.

[Jack Staff]

I wonder if those so very keen on a 'people's vote' will put it to the test to their constitutes.

"Bizarre. Both Con & Lab leadership saying recent defecting MPs should face by-elections,
yet it is they who have redefined democracy in Britain to mean one vote on one day in 2016 must stand in perpetuity
& can't be re-run, despite changed circumstances & information. Logic fail."
{Howard Goodall} Though it doesn't matter who said it.

[Jack Staff]

David Cameron expresses disappointment at Conservative MPs leaving the party
at a crucial point in UK history, as you wouldn't catch him doing that sort of thing.
{HIGNFY}

[barney]

I wonder if those so very keen on a 'people's vote' will put it to the test to their constitutes.

You mean like Farage after resigning from UKIP still being an MEP?

Excellent bit of whataboutery there Jack.

[Jack Staff]

I wonder if those so very keen on a 'people's vote' will put it to the test to their constitutes.

You mean like Farage after resigning from UKIP still being an MEP?

Excellent bit of whataboutery there Jack.

You think? How about Sheffield Hallam?

[Gill W]

Like a lot of other so called economic crises, I imagine that there will be little impact on the average Brit after the initial BBC news inspired hullabaloo has died down. After a few years we will all look back and wonder what all the fuss was about.
Now I guess that Jack and Gill will be up in arms about that statement, but by 2022 most people will have no idea whether they are better or worse off than they would have been if we had stayed in the EU, and other factors will have taken centre stage.

In the last crisis in 2008, I was made redundant and lost a five figure sum in money I had been encouraged to save in employee share schemes. I was by no means unique - this was a huge upheaval in my life.

It was a traumatic time, and certainly something I have not just brushed off. I was in an office of 250 people and it was HUGE for us. Multiply how we felt several times to imagine how it’ll be for the Honds people, for example.

Over the years, I’ve been able to recover from this - but if I’d been able to stay in my previous job I would definitely have been better off.

I think Brexit will still be going in 2022 (God help us)

[oldbluefox]

Brexit is going to fail. When is the question.

"..............against those who cannot/will not accept the result and do everything in their power to overturn it".

Yes, as is my democratic right. Or is that another right you want to take away?

So in the event of a second referendum there would be a third, fourth, fifth and so on in order to preserve everybody's "democratic rights"? What a strange view of democracy you have. I presume you really mean that we have referenda until you get the result you want. How very EU.