Brexit

[Ray Scully]

Oh! come on Ray.

If the UK felt truly part of the EU family we would not have had all of the opt outs that we have.

We would be in Schengen, and the Eurozone for a starters and probably wouldn't have the current rebate either.

In which case Barney I would have understood a leavers argument.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Well there you go. I may trouble you no more. Not only will I be out of the UK on Brexit Day, I'll be out of the UK on Brexit Deal Vote Day. Where's Noel Edmonds when you need him?

[Gill W]

There’s no reason for May to delay the meaningful vote. There’s sweet FA in the way of negotiations going on.

She is behaving dangerously and recklessly.

[Manoverboard]

There’s no reason for May to delay the meaningful vote. There’s sweet FA in the way of negotiations going on.

She is behaving dangerously and recklessly.

How do you know that with absolute certainty ?

[david63]

This is all about politics and brinkmanship.

I too will be out of the country on "last meaningful" vote day - let's hope TV reception is not good!!!!

[Gill W]

There’s no reason for May to delay the meaningful vote. There’s sweet FA in the way of negotiations going on.

She is behaving dangerously and recklessly.

How do you know that with absolute certainty ?

Because if there was any chance of anything meaningful happening she wouldn’t kick the can down the road for yet another two weeks.

[oldbluefox]

If there's no negotiating going on I wonder what May and her team do all day whilst in Brussels.

I agree with David. It's all about politics and brinkmanship and finding a way around the problem which allows the EU and the UK to save face.

[barney]

It'll be a fudge of mean nothing words that will please no one. I can see the brexiteers kicking off if May renages on what she has said since gaining power. Any deviation from a March departure will see her demise in my opinion.

[towny44]

If there's no negotiating going on I wonder what May and her team do all day whilst in Brussels.

I agree with David. It's all about politics and brinkmanship and finding a way around the problem which allows the EU and the UK to save face.

Sunbathing in Sharm el Sheik?

[johnds]

There’s no reason for May to delay the meaningful vote. There’s sweet FA in the way of negotiations going on.

She is behaving dangerously and recklessly.

Well

1) You don't know what's going on anymore than I do

2) She knows she doesn't want "No Deal" and is doing all she can to agree a deal that that shower we call our MPs will agree

[towny44]

Presumably Theresa will have discussed with the DUP and ERG just what would be needed to satisfy them to vote for her deal, which I assume is a guarantees that we will have the say in when to vacate the Backstop. Equally the EU have said they don't want to implement the Backstop and they don't want to tie the UK into a permanent Backstop.
So what on earth is preventing them from putting this down on paper and getting the lawyers to draft it into a legally binding document?

[screwy]

I would suggest John. The Eu needing us and our money...?

[Gill W]

I'm convinced that this forum has its own micro climate.

Here, no one seems to have a problem that the meaningful vote is just 17 days before Brexit, and everyone is still doggedly hanging on to the belief that something is going to change in the next couple of weeks.

Whereas in the real world, people are angry and furious about May's behaviour.

I'm finding the group behaviour completely fascinating.

[barney]

I find the bed wetters quite fascinating. The world as we know it will not end in March, withdrawal agreement or not. Things will be a bit different for a while. Maybe shops will run out of lettuce. So what?

[anniec]

Whereas in the real world, people are angry and furious about May's behaviour.

I'm finding the group behaviour completely fascinating.

I'm angry and furious about (almost) everyone in Parliament's behaviour. Does that make me more or less fascinating?

[Gill W]

Whereas in the real world, people are angry and furious about May's behaviour.

I'm finding the group behaviour completely fascinating.

I'm angry and furious about (almost) everyone in Parliament's behaviour. Does that make me more or less fascinating?

It makes you human! ( I am also furious about the way nearly everyone in Parliament is behaving)

[Ray Scully]

I find the bed wetters quite fascinating. The world as we know it will not end in March, withdrawal agreement or not. Things will be a bit different for a while. Maybe shops will run out of lettuce. So what?

Got it Barney, you have a lettuce growing business and will make a fortune out of any shortage

[barney]

I'm furious with the anti democrats who have attempted to overturn the vote result from day one. That is an undeniable fact that they cannot deny.

[anniec]

I imagine the only difference we have (albeit rather a fundamental one) is probably those we exclude from our fury. <please insert pleasant smiley> - no idea where they hide when doing a 'quick reply'.

[Gill W]

I find the bed wetters quite fascinating. The world as we know it will not end in March, withdrawal agreement or not. Things will be a bit different for a while. Maybe shops will run out of lettuce. So what?

What's a bed wetter? The only bed wetter I am aware of is James ''the Bedwetter' Goddard, one of the knuckle dragging, right wing planks who use Brexit as an excuse to prowl the streets of Westminster and the West End of London at the weekends, hurling abuse and aggressively getting in people's faces.

That reminds me, members of this forum were quick to condem, in the most condescending of terms, the peaceful march by Remainers in October, yet I have not seen a single adverse comment about these oafs who have been enabled by Brexit to stalk the streets.

I see you are being dramatic again Barney - the only person who keeps mentioning the end of the word is you!

According to you (as you have previously said) there's only going to be a week of disruption, and everything's going to get back to normal. So that's about a week without lettuce. If you are the one who's wrong, don't start whining about how bad things are!

However, I think an extension is going to be the most likely thing that's going to happen, so we are going to have weeks, if not months of exactly the same as we are now.

[johnds]

Whereas in the real world, people are angry and furious about May's behaviour.

Up North then we mustn't be in the "real world" because that isn't a reaction I generally come across.
People I speak to just want out and then to get on with life.
Personally I would prefer a deal but I'm not sure that extending Article 50 would make that any more likely.
We have 650 MPs and so far we haven't had 326 agree on anything substantive.
Don't see any point in her having a meaningful vote if she hasn't yet made enough progress to win it.
I imagine you want a vote because you think she will lose. So apart from forgetting the whole thing which the EU want, what's your plan Z
Lots more frustration tactics being offered by remainers this week, all disguised as something else but essentially attempts to
ignore the majority view of the public expressed in June 2016. Remember Corbyn wanted Article 50 invoked the day after the referendum.

I read that Mr Tusk has suggested that we delay for two YEARS. Can you imagine that?

I'm not sure that two months will actually make agreement more likely.
The only thing focussing minds at the moment is that 29th Mrch is looming nearer and nearer.

[johnds]

However, I think an extension is going to be the most likely thing that's going to happen, so we are going to have weeks, if not months of exactly the same as we are now.

So what's the point

[Gill W]

I imagine the only difference we have (albeit rather a fundamental one) is probably those we exclude from our fury. <please insert pleasant smiley> - no idea where they hide when doing a 'quick reply'.

I don't know - if we did a Venn diagram, I wouldn't be surprised if there's lots of MP's that both sides are furious with !

[Gill W]

However, I think an extension is going to be the most likely thing that's going to happen, so we are going to have weeks, if not months of exactly the same as we are now.

So what's the point

Good question, when it comes to Brexit, I've asked myself that question several times - and still haven't come up with a satisfactory answer

[Gill W]

I'm furious with the anti democrats who have attempted to overturn the vote result from day one. That is an undeniable fact that they cannot deny.

You mean the referendum result that was illegally influenced, and, if it had been an binding referendum the result would have been declared unsafe due to the illegal actions of the Leave campaigns?

It's undemocratic to be still clinging to the result of such a referendum