Brexit

[Jack Staff]

Jack, if you are unable to discern when news stories are being spun to make political points, then why should we take any notice of your Brexit pronouncements?

John, if you are unable to discern the damage Brexit is doing....

[oldbluefox]

Are you suggesting ...

Depends on the timescale we are talking about.
Well I won't be around for that and I doubt you will either Jack.
In the short term SNP is anti Brexit because they want to be in a better EU.
If England stays in the EU, the need for independence is reduced. We have previously discussed that the SNP aren't quite as nationalist as the name professes.
But the red/blue politics of the seventies are over.
The one good thing that might come from Brexit is PR.
Haven't we already voted that one out. But I suppose people can change their minds eh?

[Jack Staff]

The one good thing that might come from Brexit is PR.
Haven't we already voted that one out. But I suppose people can change their minds eh?

No, that was AV.
But things have changed. Brexit has made a lot of people more politically aware, so another good thing.
I must have a lie down, I seem to be extolling the virtues of Brexit this morning.

[towny44]

Jack, if you are unable to discern when news stories are being spun to make political points, then why should we take any notice of your Brexit pronouncements?

John, if you are unable to discern the damage Brexit is doing....

Apart from making parliament the laughing stock of the world with its attempts to subvert the will of the people, I see little sign of any damage. As regards knife crime I hardly think you can lay this at Brexit's door, lower police numbers, even if it were the main cause which I very much doubt, is the result of austerity brought about by the profligate spending of the last fairly moderate Labour govt, God knows what havoc an extreme Marxist Labour govt will cause, and if it happens the remain protesters will bear a significant responsibility

[Jack Staff]

Apart from making parliament the laughing stock of the world with its attempts to subvert the will of the people, I see little sign of any damage. As regards knife crime I hardly think you can lay this at Brexit's door, lower police numbers, even if it were the main cause which I very much doubt, is the result of austerity brought about by the profligate spending of the last fairly moderate Labour govt, God knows what havoc an extreme Marxist Labour govt will cause, and if it happens the remain protesters will bear a significant responsibility

You see little sign of damage because you don't want to.
Fairs, fair, you can't see all the damage because we still don't know what Brexit is.

Please don't blame Remainers for trying to stop the "havoc" Brexiters have created. It's like you have no conviction in your plans. Shouldn't you be proud of what you have achieved?

[barney]

If you was an MP, what type of brexit would you vote for?

[Jack Staff]

If you was an MP, what type of brexit would you vote for?

Richard Corbett:
‏"In BBCNews, LiamFox says there are only three Brexit options:
- May’s deal
- No-deal
- No Brexit
Parliament has already rejected the first two..."

[Onelife]

Just before I depart for the sunnier climate of Wales, I thought I would leave you with a few uplifting words about Theresa.
She could have at any time during this uncharted journey stepped away from her manifesto promise, she could have at any time thrown in the towel and said Brexit was unachievable, she didn’t.

Yes, she has made a couple of howlers but let’s not forget what she has been up against…. saboteurs in every corner of the chamber, relentless verbal abuse by members of parliament, biased sensationalist media coverage, not to mention having to deal with bunch of sadistic autocrats trying to screw us left right and centre.

…….

So, this is the week that determines the direction of Brexit…you wish!

Nah! what will happen is we will have a load of indicative vote none of which will gain a majority…. turmoil ensues for a couple of day with Remainer MP’s running round like headless chickens wondering why they are back where they started (her deal or no deal).

Next week the sunlit uplands start to come into view with both the DUP and the ERG getting behind Theresa Mays WA agreement…. Job done!!

Theresa steps aside? Michael Gove takes over which is a good move because he is super intelligent, a great negotiator, and slippery as an eel…. basically, all the credentials you need to take on our EU friends.

Still loving Theresa xx

[Jack Staff]

Just before I depart for the sunnier climate of Wales,

Have a great time!

We have been discussing people changing their minds and things from the past might be irrelevant.
I'm not so sure about this from a possible PM however,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKmf7p304go
Slippery? Down right creepy!

[Onelife]

Just before I depart for the sunnier climate of Wales,

Have a great time!

We have been discussing people changing their minds and things from the past might be irrelevant.
I'm not so sure about this from a possible PM however,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKmf7p304go
Slippery? Down right creepy!

Thanks Jack, just popping over to open up the tin can...just hoping the chickens haven't made to much of a mess

[Stephen]

Just before I depart for the sunnier climate of Wales,

Have a great time!

We have been discussing people changing their minds and things from the past might be irrelevant.
I'm not so sure about this from a possible PM however,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKmf7p304go
Slippery? Down right creepy!

Agree with you there Jack.

[Stephen]

Just before I depart for the sunnier climate of Wales, I thought I would leave you with a few uplifting words about Theresa.
She could have at any time during this uncharted journey stepped away from her manifesto promise, she could have at any time thrown in the towel and said Brexit was unachievable, she didn’t.

Yes, she has made a couple of howlers but let’s not forget what she has been up against…. saboteurs in every corner of the chamber, relentless verbal abuse by members of parliament, biased sensationalist media coverage, not to mention having to deal with bunch of sadistic autocrats trying to screw us left right and centre.

…….

So, this is the week that determines the direction of Brexit…you wish!

Nah! what will happen is we will have a load of indicative vote none of which will gain a majority…. turmoil ensues for a couple of day with Remainer MP’s running round like headless chickens wondering why they are back where they started (her deal or no deal).

Next week the sunlit uplands start to come into view with both the DUP and the ERG getting behind Theresa Mays WA agreement…. Job done!!

Theresa steps aside? Michael Gove takes over which is a good move because he is super intelligent, a great negotiator, and slippery as an eel…. basically, all the credentials you need to take on our EU friends.

Still loving Theresa xx

Don't forget yer brolly

[Ray Scully]

The Petitions

Please can someone direct me to the petition advocating a No Deal exit

[Ray Scully]

FOUND IT https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/229963

[Jack Staff]

FOUND IT https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/229963

That can't be right. It's got 5 million fewer signatures than the Revoke Article 50 one.

[BrianI]

This is the revoke one...

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

Brian

[towny44]

FOUND IT https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/229963

That can't be right. It's got 5 million fewer signatures than the Revoke Article 50 one.

There are many varieties of Brexit, which together add up to about 17.4 million, or maybe even more now


.

[Jack Staff]

There are many varieties of Brexit, which together add up to about 17.4 million, or maybe even more now

Which is exactly why it can not work.

[Manoverboard]

…. and there's just the one inflexible self serving inbred variety of ' Remain ' which is why it will ultimately fail.

[barney]

To be fair Moby, remain are very clear and have been since the day after the referendum.
They want to remain in the EU, at any cost.

They literally don't give a fig about the opinions of others.

Italy in recession.
https://www.businessinsider.com/democra ... ?r=US&IR=T
Germany soon to follow.
Then the whole deck collapses

But they want to remain tied to a failing project.

It almost defies belief.
Why would any nation wish to be tied to it?
Should the anti democrats in Parliament get their way and somehow, the UK ends up staying in, people of the future will question why we didn't get out when we had the chance.

The EU is not for changing.
The only way that the EU is going is more EU.
That is until it all comes tumbling down for a while
Then … they will blame others who didn't fully understand the 'project' and continue on their merry way, filling their boots with others hard earned tax money.

[Jack Staff]

…. and there's just the one inflexible self serving inbred variety of ' Remain ' which is why it will ultimately fail.

eh? Just 'cos you're jealous of the unity of the remain community.
Inbred? That's a weird thing to say. Can't see how that is applicable in any way.
If Trezza, the ERG and DUP could agree, you might get somewhere. But they can't. So Brexit fails.

[Jack Staff]

To be fair Moby, remain are very clear and have been since the day after the referendum.
They want to remain in the EU, at any cost.

Whatever the cost of remain, it is cheaper than leaving.
That includes our political system, democracy....

They literally don't give a fig about the opinions of others.

That cuts both ways.

Italy in recession.
https://www.businessinsider.com/democra ... ?r=US&IR=T
Germany soon to follow.
Then the whole deck collapses

Yet all the car companies leaving our country are due to a world slowdown.
Make up your minds Brexiters!

But they want to remain tied to a failing project.

No, we want nothing to do with the failing Brexit project. That's why we march, petition, campaign to keep our rights and freedoms.
Free of the shackles of disaster capitalists.

It almost defies belief.
Why would any nation wish to be tied to it?

I refer the gentleman to the answer I gave previously.

Should the anti democrats in Parliament get their way and somehow, the UK ends up staying in, people of the future will question why we didn't get out when we had the chance.

Brexit has created one of the most pro-EU countries in the union.

The EU is not for changing.
The only way that the EU is going is more EU.
That is until it all comes tumbling down for a while
Then … they will blame others who didn't fully understand the 'project' and continue on their merry way, filling their boots with others hard earned tax money.

That will be JRM, Redwood, Banks?
The only reason we are (possibly) leaving is for the rich 'kers to keep more of the hard stolen cash and not pay the tax they should.
https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/b ... rective_en
Funny that comes into force just as they want us to leave......

[Manoverboard]

…. and there's just the one inflexible self serving inbred variety of ' Remain ' which is why it will ultimately fail.

eh? Just 'cos you're jealous of the unity of the remain community.
Inbred? That's a weird thing to say. Can't see how that is applicable in any way.
If Trezza, the ERG and DUP could agree, you might get somewhere. But they can't. So Brexit fails.

You are right … inward looking was in my mind rather than inbreeding

Perhaps we will know more after the indictive votes have been held. My view is that there will not be a majority for any of the alternate ' Brexits ' nor to remain nor indeed for very much at all. TMs deal is therefore the only option left ….

[barney]

We will be no wiser after MPs indicative votes. It is the end of democracy as we know it and sets a very dangerous precedent for the future. If successful it will be used time and time again if there is no government majority. Some are elated because it's gone their way but these are the very same people who will become hysterical if it goes against them.

[towny44]

I suspect that even if TM gets the DUP to finally see sense and back her, bringing most of the ERG along with them, that that annoying popinjay Bercow will still find a way to prevent a vote. I wonder who has the keys to the cell block in the tower?