Brexit

[Manoverboard]

Legitimate referendum? The one where the Leave campaigns broke the law?

I am certain that one of your posts told the Leavers to " Move on " …

[david63]

Didn't Bercow say recently that a vote cannot be brought again unless it's substantially different to the original. I think we may be heading for a GE.

Not quite - he said in THIS parliamentary session.

I suspect that there are ways to end this session today and start a new session tomorrow which would mean that there could be another vote on the WA.

[anniec]

Didn't Bercow say recently that a vote cannot be brought again unless it's substantially different to the original. I think we may be heading for a GE.

Not quite - he said in THIS parliamentary session.

I suspect that there are ways to end this session today and start a new session tomorrow which would mean that there could be another vote on the WA.

Wouldn't they have to wheel in the Queen?

She may be washing her hair.

[barney]

Barney, I apologise for post 5622, as, re-reading the thread this morning, it looks as if you were attempting to patronise Jack, and not me.

However, Jack is the second person on this forum you have attempted to patronise - that's not good.

You are absolutely correct Gill.
But I didn't attempt to patronise him, I blatantly did.
I'm sorry that you were offended on his behalf.

I got a first in 'patronising' at Uni
It's something that I've specialised in ever since... well, that and sarcasm

My children had to learn sarcasm and irony at rather a young age.
I'm sure it's scarred them for life.

I must remember to stay off the Vino Blanco when posting in the evening

[Jack Staff]

I got a first in 'patronising' at Uni
It's something that I've specialised in ever since... well, that and sarcasm

You told me you studied Whataboutery.

[barney]

I got a first in 'patronising' at Uni
It's something that I've specialised in ever since... well, that and sarcasm

You told me you studied Whataboutery.

Oh ! That as well

[Ray Scully]

Many people have been patronising, and scapegoating, saying you Remainers, you are the problem. I would say we Remainers have a problem. We are not the problem.

paraphrasing George Papandreou

[Ray Scully]

I got a first in 'patronising' at Uni
It's something that I've specialised in ever since... well, that and sarcasm

You told me you studied Whataboutery.

Oh ! That as well

Barney did you deliberately not mention Unicornology?

[towny44]

Many people have been patronising, and scapegoating, saying you Remainers, you are the problem. I would say we Remainers have a problem. We are not the problem.

paraphrasing George Papandreou

It's certainly the remainers in Parliament who have been the problem, if the MPs views on brexit were similar to the country at large things might have been different.

[Jack Staff]

It's certainly the remainers in Parliament who have been the problem, if the MPs views on brexit were similar to the country at large things might have been different.

How do you know what the country at large thinks?
You only have a flawed vote from three years ago.

[david63]

It's certainly the remainers in Parliament who have been the problem

Together with a political party that took the decision to oppose the WA before they knew what it contained.

[Jack Staff]

Together with political parties that took the decision to trigger Article 50 before they knew what that entailed.

[barney]

The UK said they will not implement a hard border
Ireland said they will not implement a hard border
The EU said they will not imp...……….

Ohh ! Hang on

https://www.ft.com/content/122a6272-508 ... 9ef1626294

[Jack Staff]

The UK said they will not implement a hard border

Any chance of a précis or something. We can't all afford to subscribe.

Does is say something like there has to be a hard border? Meaning the UK will break international law?

[towny44]

It's certainly the remainers in Parliament who have been the problem, if the MPs views on brexit were similar to the country at large things might have been different.

How do you know what the country at large thinks?
You only have a flawed vote from three years ago.

Well there are still opinion polls that keep being done, and these seem to indicate an almost 50/50 split, albeit in remain favour now. I would happily cull the 650 so that there is a similar split in parliament.

[Jack Staff]

Well there are still opinion polls that keep being done, and these seem to indicate an almost 50/50 split, albeit in remain favour now. I would happily cull the 650 so that there is a similar split in parliament.

So you're 'losing' then. Not the will of the people any more?

[towny44]

Well there are still opinion polls that keep being done, and these seem to indicate an almost 50/50 split, albeit in remain favour now. I would happily cull the 650 so that there is a similar split in parliament.

So you're 'losing' then. Not the will of the people any more?

Hardly seems to matter anymore the whole Brexit process has been a disaster, anyway like others on here I don't really see the EU lasting indefinitely, although I know you won't agree.
On a somewhat adjacent issue I seem to remember you pointing out that a high percentage of WTO countries are currently members of Free trade arrangements however, other than the EU how many of these also operate as a federal, political and currency union, which IMO will be the ultimate downfall of the EU. Germany and the stronger economies in the Euro zone cannot continue to prop up the currency, without ever more dire economic consequences for its weaker members, and I doubt the likes of Denmark and Sweden will ever agree to join the club in its present form and help to finance it.

[Jack Staff]

Hardly seems to matter anymore the whole Brexit process has been a disaster, anyway like others on here I don't really see the EU lasting indefinitely, although I know you won't agree.
On a somewhat adjacent issue I seem to remember you pointing out that a high percentage of WTO countries are currently members of Free trade arrangements however, other than the EU how many of these also operate as a federal, political and currency union, which IMO will be the ultimate downfall of the EU. Germany and the stronger economies in the Euro zone cannot continue to prop up the currency, without ever more dire economic consequences for its weaker members, and I doubt the likes of Denmark and Sweden will ever agree to join the club in its present form and help to finance it.

Sorry John, this is just a rant.
For a start the EU is not federal. Member states are sovereign and only the ones that want to be are in a currency union.
I know your emotions run high on this, but please get a grip on reality.

[towny44]

Re the DUP intransigence over the backstop, won't the EU demand that any WA has an Irish backstop? If so then the only option they will vote for is to remain in the EU, which is what the NI electorate voted for anyway.

[Gill W]

Legitimate referendum? The one where the Leave campaigns broke the law?

I am certain that one of your posts told the Leavers to " Move on " …

Tell Barney stop banging on about the referendum, then we can all move on!

[david63]

then the only option

Or for Ireland to leave the EU - problem solved, simples

[Gill W]

Barney, I apologise for post 5622, as, re-reading the thread this morning, it looks as if you were attempting to patronise Jack, and not me.

However, Jack is the second person on this forum you have attempted to patronise - that's not good.

You are absolutely correct Gill.
But I didn't attempt to patronise him, I blatantly did.
I'm sorry that you were offended on his behalf.

I got a first in 'patronising' at Uni
It's something that I've specialised in ever since... well, that and sarcasm

My children had to learn sarcasm and irony at rather a young age.
I'm sure it's scarred them for life.

I must remember to stay off the Vino Blanco when posting in the evening

In Vino Veritas

[Gill W]

then the only option

Or for Ireland to leave the EU - problem solved, simples

You keep saying that - why should they want to sort out our problems for us, especially given the history between Ireland and GB/England ?

[towny44]

Unfortunately Gill your moving on and ours are pointing in opposite directions.

[screwy]

Time to call time out.....we’re just going round and round in ever decreasing circles till we disappear up our own backsides which are like opinions, we all have one..I’m out of here.