Brexit

[Gill W]

I actually agree with you, Towny.

This may be a first

[towny44]

I actually agree with you, Towny.

This may be a first

I must go and have a lie down!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Manoverboard]

I think I'll join you …. no hang on a minute

[barney]

The Commons already has found a majority for a Brexit deal.
It is called the Brady Amendment and it secured a majority in Parliament.

It would mean accepting the draft ‘Withdrawal Agreement’ with changes to the controversial Northern Ireland ‘backstop’.

Thus if the EU changes the ‘backstop’, it could have a Withdrawal Agreement passed by the UK Parliament tomorrow.
The EU Council meeting on 10th April has a straightforward choice to make: change the ‘backstop’ and have a deal, or refuse any changes to the draft and choose ‘no deal’.

Given the impasse in the UK Parliament, it's really only the EU who can resolve it.
Amend the unacceptable backstop, and the WA sails through.
Win/Win
Isn't that what negotiations are supposed to be about ?

Can anyone see a problem with this, except that the 'WA' is closed (but could be re-opened for a Customs Union)

[Ray Scully]

A no deal is undoubtedly possible, maybe by default, but I think it might be reckless to allow it. The UK govt and parliament is now a laughing stock worldwide and the world's view will be, we only have ourselves to blame, so we will receive little sympathy for any pain it causes us, and conversely the EU will be seen as the innocent party in any problems that result.

John
Sad but true, hopefully when it comes down to the wire the Parliamentarians will seriously think of the consequences rather than their own interests, but I am not holding my breath and am stocking up on my meds

[david63]

The EU Council meeting on 10th April has a straightforward choice to make: change the ‘backstop’ and have a deal,

... and a load of money.

or refuse any changes to the draft and choose ‘no deal’.

... and not have a load of money.

I know where my money [pun intended] lies

[Manoverboard]

Ray …. How can you stock up on meds …. our practice's computer strictly controls what you can order and how frequently you can order it.

ps … I'm sticking to my projected eleventh hour strategy, it gets clearer by the day




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[barney]

The EU Council meeting on 10th April has a straightforward choice to make: change the ‘backstop’ and have a deal,

... and a load of money.

or refuse any changes to the draft and choose ‘no deal’.

... and not have a load of money.

I know where my money [pun intended] lies

Absolutely David,

I'm not saying that I like the WA, just that the natural conclusion is for the EU to move a bit.
Many may say, well, why should they ?
You have already answered that.
Money and access to a major world economy.

I was reading over the weekend that China are less inclined to talk to the EU about trade without the UK being a part of it.

https://www.politico.eu/article/juncker ... n-economy/

it looks like Italy, Spain and Germany may be going into recession at the same time.

And to think that a poster on here thought we'd missed a trick by not joining the Eurozone.

If Germany folds, France will follow, and all to try and protect 'The Project'

Let me offer some words of wisdom to the wise in the EU.
Do not start an economic war with one of your best customers with whom you have a huge structural trade surplus, which controls most of your currency trading, which controls 50% of your current fishing grounds, which guarantees your military security, and which is the biggest net emigration destination for victims of your mad, crazy Eurozone failed experiment.

Oh, and don’t do this to a country which is leaving your voluntary multinational organisation accordingly, to your organisation’s own rules and ‘according to its own constitutional arrangements’.

[Ray Scully]

Ray …. How can you stock up on meds … . our practice's computer strictly controls what you can order and how frequently you can order it.

ps … I'm sticking to my projected eleventh hour strategy, it gets clearer by the day




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[Manoverboard]

Ray …. How can you stock up on meds … . our practice's computer strictly controls what you can order and how frequently you can order it.

ps … I'm sticking to my projected eleventh hour strategy, it gets clearer by the day




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It took me a moment or three to spot the Shhhh.

[Stephen]

Ray ….× How can you stock up on meds … . our practice's computer strictly controls what you can order and how frequently you can order it.

ps … I'm sticking to my projected eleventh hour strategy, it gets clearer by the day




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It took me a moment or three to spot the Shhhh.

You can't.

You can always risk it online but i wouldn't

[Onelife]

So, the obsessive Cooper and sneaky Letwin are trying to introduce a bill that will mean the government having to ask for an extension to A50…. the period of which to be determined by our EU Masters. Under normal political procedures parliamentary bills generally take months, years in some cases, but Bercow has decided that this bill can be pushed through in a day…

Government website states that….

A Draft Bill is published to enable consultation and pre-legislative scrutiny. After consultation and pre-legislative scrutiny has taken place, the Draft Bill may be introduced formally…and the speaker is supposed to be unbiased?????

[barney]

There will be resignations tonight one way or the other.

[Onelife]

Well there is some good news.... we’ll know which way Brexit is going by Monday.

My guess is that talks with Corbyn will come to nothing other than they might agree to having a free vote on the final indicative options.
They will probably whittle it down to two…soft Brexit or Theresa’s WA

Result…

Theresa’s delivers on her promise

[Gill W]

So she's now going to talk to Corbyn and get an extension to 22nd May.


She's very slippery. This is

A) a ruse to get Corbyn to share the blame when it goes pear shaped

and

B) A trap. If she gets an extension to 22nd May without us taking part in the elections, 22nd becomes the new cliff edge, she wants a choice between her deal or leave with no deal.

EU won't let her get away with it. They'll only agree an extension to 22nd if her deal is agreed by Parliament by next week. Otherwise it'll be a long extension and we'll have to vote in the elections. That's assuming the EU grant the extension.

[barney]

I'm up for EU elections . I might stand myself. Could be a bit of fun. VOTE BARNEY

[towny44]

I think anything less than TM's political statement is not the Brexit I voted for, and I think I would rather we stay in the EU than go down this new path.
At least then we could become an ever bigger pebble in their shoe with 73 Brexit party MEPs and exercising our veto at every possible opportunity.

[david63]

I can just imagine the TM/JC meeting going something like this:

TM - Good morning Jeremy - how do you see the way forward?
JC - We want a free trade deal with the EU, an aligned customs union, guaranteed worker's rights and the ability to nationalise everything in the UK.
TM - But the EU have said that we cannot have that and that they will not renegotiate.
JC - In that case call a General Election which we will win and then I will sort the EU out.
TM - Thank you Jeremy for your valued input - that is five minutes of my life that I will not get back!

[Manoverboard]

or possibly ….

TM - Good morning Jeremy - how do you see the way forward?
JC - Me being the Prime Minister
TM - F*** Off Trotsky and close the F****** door behind you.

[Onelife]

I think anything less than TM's political statement is not the Brexit I voted for, and I think I would rather we stay in the EU than go down this new path.
At least then we could become an ever bigger pebble in their shoe with 73 Brexit party MEPs and exercising our veto at every possible opportunity.

I’m with you John….

There are no compromises that are acceptable to me… it’s her deal or no deal or cause havoc from within.

[Onelife]

or possibly ….

TM - Good morning Jeremy - how do you see the way forward?
JC - Me being the Prime Minister
TM - F*** Off Trotsky and close the F****** door behind you.

[barney]

Check out the caption immediately below the image
Now, we know who is really running Ireland
I must say, they make a lovely couple
https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanue ... al-crisis/

[Quizzical Bob]

I think anything less than TM's political statement is not the Brexit I voted for, and I think I would rather we stay in the EU than go down this new path.
At least then we could become an ever bigger pebble in their shoe with 73 Brexit party MEPs and exercising our veto at every possible opportunity.

And what Brexit did you vote for exactly? When you voted for an unspecified 'Leave' you signed a blank cheque.

[towny44]

I think anything less than TM's political statement is not the Brexit I voted for, and I think I would rather we stay in the EU than go down this new path.
At least then we could become an ever bigger pebble in their shoe with 73 Brexit party MEPs and exercising our veto at every possible opportunity.

And what Brexit did you vote for exactly? When you voted for an unspecified 'Leave' you signed a blank cheque.

Bob, that is so not true, I voted to leave the customs union and single market, so we could negotiate our own trade deals, and an end to freedom of movement and for the UK to decide our own immigration policy, as well as a fair free trade deal with the EU. This was highlighted many times by the leave campaigners, and was also accepted as the major differences by the remain campaigners.
Not sure what you were listening to at the time, but if you thought otherwise then you were mislead.

[anniec]

I know Jack isn't keen on Julia Hartley-Brewer, but she is capable of some wonderfully pithy comments:

"Eventually, as Brexit drags on, we'll all be required to do our stint as a Brexit Minister.
Sort of like jury duty - or being in the Sugababes".