Brexit

[Jack Staff]

"I'm alright Jack" is an old British expression implying my situation. I'm surprised you didn't know that.

If I agreed with you Jack we'd both be wrong.
"The phrase is believed to have originated among Royal Navy sailors, where a ladder was slung over the side of a ship, and when the last sailor climbed on board he would say, "I'm alright Jack, pull up the ladder". It means "I'm OK even if you're not."
No mention of financial situation. I'm surprised you didn't know that.

In the context of the conversation, I can only assume you were trying to imply that I was one of the 'metropolitan elite' as that seems like the current Brexiter hate figures.
I suggest that you were implying that I was fine (OK) even if the poor little Brexiters were not. So I agree with your definition, funny that you can't.

[barney]

I think everyone will be fine Jack. We are supposed to be leaving the EU, not the world. The overhype about the consequences of leaving without a WA ar frankly ridiculous. Every politician or pundit who spouts this cannot actually answer why it is the case. It will be chaos seems to suffice.

[Jack Staff]

I think everyone will be fine Jack. We are supposed to be leaving the EU, not the world. The overhype about the consequences of leaving without a WA ar frankly ridiculous. Every politician or pundit who spouts this cannot actually answer why it is the case. It will be chaos seems to suffice.

Not everyone Barney. I think you have already forgotten the Honda workers for a start.

[anniec]

Not everyone Barney. I think you have already forgotten the Honda workers for a start.

reuters (I've deliberately avoided linking to the Brexit-supporting press) don't seem to think Honda had anything to do with Brexit: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brit ... SKCN1Q80RZ

[Jack Staff]

Not everyone Barney. I think you have already forgotten the Honda workers for a start.

reuters (I've deliberately avoided linking to the Brexit-supporting press) don't seem to think Honda had anything to do with Brexit: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brit ... SKCN1Q80RZ

But Honda want to sell you a car. They are not going to annoy half the electorate by blaming Brexit are they?
Just coincidence all the car companies are relocating from England, oh and diesel engines.

[oldbluefox]

Not everyone Barney. I think you have already forgotten the Honda workers for a start.

reuters (I've deliberately avoided linking to the Brexit-supporting press) don't seem to think Honda had anything to do with Brexit: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brit ... SKCN1Q80RZ

Spot on annie but it suits the Remainers to say it does.

[barney]

Of course it wasn't Annie. Now that Japan has a trade deal with the EU they have no need to have any production in Europe. They are pretty protectionist. Japanese jobs for Japanese people. Make Japan great again.

[oldbluefox]

Well I know where my vote goes in the European elections. Time to drain the swamp!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47907350

[Jack Staff]

Check out the website....
https://thebrexitparty.com/

[towny44]

Not everyone Barney. I think you have already forgotten the Honda workers for a start.

reuters (I've deliberately avoided linking to the Brexit-supporting press) don't seem to think Honda had anything to do with Brexit: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brit ... SKCN1Q80RZ

But Honda want to sell you a car. They are not going to annoy half the electorate by blaming Brexit are they?
Just coincidence all the car companies are relocating from England, oh and diesel engines.

I believe Honda are relocating back to Japan, which hardly counts as the fault of Brexit, but could be attributed to the EU --Japan trade deal and would have happened anyway.

[Jack Staff]

Yes, everything is fine.
Brexit will be a huge success.
...and have you seen the Emperors new clothes?

[oldbluefox]

Yes, everything is fine.
Brexit will be a huge success.
...and have you seen the Emperors new clothes?

Yup!! You were wearing them on the march!!

[Ray Scully]

Yes, everything is fine.
Brexit will be a huge success.
...and have you seen the Emperors new clothes?

Jack, I couldn't possibly be that cynical

[Kendhni]

Not everyone Barney. I think you have already forgotten the Honda workers for a start.

reuters (I've deliberately avoided linking to the Brexit-supporting press) don't seem to think Honda had anything to do with Brexit: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brit ... SKCN1Q80RZ

I am not going to pretend to know the answer to this but back in September 2018 Honda made a couple of statements in relation to brexit being very destructive to their operations in the UK and the increase in costs and paperwork that brexit would bring would not be sustainable. Then in Nov/Dec the Honda CEO Takahiro Hachigo made a statement with a thinly veiled threat that if 'no deal' was not taken off the table immediately then there would be repercussions. Then in February a leak hit the media about the Swindon operation followed by an (alleged) phone call from the British government to the CEO before the official statement was made.

I find it amazingly coincidental that Honda has done exactly what it threatened to do if clarity on brexit was not provided - however there were obviously other international and economical factors.

[towny44]

Not everyone Barney. I think you have already forgotten the Honda workers for a start.

reuters (I've deliberately avoided linking to the Brexit-supporting press) don't seem to think Honda had anything to do with Brexit: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brit ... SKCN1Q80RZ

I am not going to pretend to know the answer to this but back in September 2018 Honda made a couple of statements in relation to brexit being very destructive to their operations in the UK and the increase in costs and paperwork that brexit would bring would not be sustainable. Then in Nov/Dec the Honda CEO Takahiro Hachigo made a statement with a thinly veiled threat that if 'no deal' was not taken off the table immediately then there would be repercussions. Then in February a leak hit the media about the Swindon operation followed by an (alleged) phone call from the British government to the CEO before the official statement was made.

I find it amazingly coincidental that Honda has done exactly what it threatened to do if clarity on brexit was not provided - however there were obviously other international and economical factors.

.........and yet you don't make any connection between the announcement happening only days after the Japan/EU trade deal was signed, which removes duty from imports of Japanese cars into the EU?

[Kendhni]

No need to be so defensive, towny, I was just pointing out the incredible coincidence between statements made and actions taken. As I said at the end I am sure there were many factors involved. These decisions are not reached overnight, they are usually cooking for several months before they come to public attention.

[Onelife]

For what its worth I think the decline in the auto motive industry started long before Brexit was ever mentioned. Over the past 10 years or so environmental issues have come to the fore and with that car manufactures are having to adapt to the growing concerns of car pollution. Global car sales have plummeted drastically, mostly due. I think, to people keeping their cars longer? There could be many factors contributing to this but the depredation in diesel car valuations will mean that many like myself will keep on to their cars rather than sell them off for what in some cases will be no more than scrappage value. This along with the introduction of congestion/pollution charges in inner cities will also impact on car sales due people using other forms of inner-city transport.

I don’t know but I would have thought companies such as Honda etc are just consolidating while the Global markets move towards the new hybrid technology?

[Kendhni]

Hi Keith, sorry, but the evidence does not really show that, of course the timing of brexit could have been yet another huge coincidence
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46774053
Irrespective, brexit uncertainty is quoted as one of several factors in the slow down of car manufacturing in the UK. Taking into account that these car plants operate with about 1 hours worth of parts (they are heavily dependent on fleets of vehicles delivering parts throughout the day), so the huge risk to the supply chain (especially by reckless shouts about 'no deal' and WTO) are significant to these industries - even delays in completing paperwork could bring a production line to a halt.

Personally I would be asking Dyson why he has no faith in the British manufacturing industry. Considering his previous comments on globalisation there is absolutely no reason why he could not have built his new electric car plant in the UK. He had an opportunity to show the world that a British born-and-bred brexiteer was willing to put his money where his mouth was, he chose not to.

[towny44]

Hi Keith, sorry, but the evidence does not really show that, of course the timing of brexit could have been yet another huge coincidence
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46774053
Irrespective, brexit uncertainty is quoted as one of several factors in the slow down of car manufacturing in the UK. Taking into account that these car plants operate with about 1 hours worth of parts (they are heavily dependent on fleets of vehicles delivering parts throughout the day), so the huge risk to the supply chain (especially by reckless shouts about 'no deal' and WTO) are significant to these industries - even delays in completing paperwork could bring a production line to a halt.

Personally I would be asking Dyson why he has no faith in the British manufacturing industry. Considering his previous comments on globalisation there is absolutely no reason why he could not have built his new electric car plant in the UK. He had an opportunity to show the world that a British born-and-bred brexiteer was willing to put his money where his mouth was, he chose not to.

I guess you also ask him why he didn't choose any other European country but instead decided to locate to the most financially stable economy in the world. I imagine his shareholders will be very grateful.

[Onelife]

Hi Keith, sorry, but the evidence does not really show that, of course the timing of brexit could have been yet another huge coincidence
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46774053
Irrespective, brexit uncertainty is quoted as one of several factors in the slow down of car manufacturing in the UK. Taking into account that these car plants operate with about 1 hours worth of parts (they are heavily dependent on fleets of vehicles delivering parts throughout the day), so the huge risk to the supply chain (especially by reckless shouts about 'no deal' and WTO) are significant to these industries - even delays in completing paperwork could bring a production line to a halt.

Personally I would be asking Dyson why he has no faith in the British manufacturing industry. Considering his previous comments on globalisation there is absolutely no reason why he could not have built his new electric car plant in the UK. He had an opportunity to show the world that a British born-and-bred brexiteer was willing to put his money where his mouth was, he chose not to.

Hello Ken, I think we both agree that there could be several contributing factors as to why large companies move their operational bases… the link below gives another…

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/economic ... -singapore

keith

[Kendhni]

Hi Keith, sorry, but the evidence does not really show that, of course the timing of brexit could have been yet another huge coincidence
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46774053
Irrespective, brexit uncertainty is quoted as one of several factors in the slow down of car manufacturing in the UK. Taking into account that these car plants operate with about 1 hours worth of parts (they are heavily dependent on fleets of vehicles delivering parts throughout the day), so the huge risk to the supply chain (especially by reckless shouts about 'no deal' and WTO) are significant to these industries - even delays in completing paperwork could bring a production line to a halt.

Personally I would be asking Dyson why he has no faith in the British manufacturing industry. Considering his previous comments on globalisation there is absolutely no reason why he could not have built his new electric car plant in the UK. He had an opportunity to show the world that a British born-and-bred brexiteer was willing to put his money where his mouth was, he chose not to.

I guess you also ask him why he didn't choose any other European country but instead decided to locate to the most financially stable economy in the world. I imagine his shareholders will be very grateful.

So you are saying that the UK is not financially stable - who would have thought?

[Kendhni]

Hi Keith, sorry, but the evidence does not really show that, of course the timing of brexit could have been yet another huge coincidence
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46774053
Irrespective, brexit uncertainty is quoted as one of several factors in the slow down of car manufacturing in the UK. Taking into account that these car plants operate with about 1 hours worth of parts (they are heavily dependent on fleets of vehicles delivering parts throughout the day), so the huge risk to the supply chain (especially by reckless shouts about 'no deal' and WTO) are significant to these industries - even delays in completing paperwork could bring a production line to a halt.

Personally I would be asking Dyson why he has no faith in the British manufacturing industry. Considering his previous comments on globalisation there is absolutely no reason why he could not have built his new electric car plant in the UK. He had an opportunity to show the world that a British born-and-bred brexiteer was willing to put his money where his mouth was, he chose not to.

Hello Ken, I think we both agree that there could be several contributing factors as to why large companies move their operational bases… the link below gives another…

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/economic ... -singapore

keith

I don't disagree I think Dyson has very good reasons for turning his back on the UK - and I suspect that one of them is brexit uncertainty, but he dare not say that. I just think it is shameful that he had a viable choice on whether or not to back the UK but hypocritically chose not to.

it is funny though that the same people who complained bitterly about his decision to move production of his products overseas are (often) now the same people defending his decision to not support UK manufacturing and investment.

[Ray Scully]

Another prominent Leaver is Tim Martin of Wetherspoons .. Ideology or self-interest ??? discuss!

[Kendhni]

Another prominent Leaver is Tim Martin of Wetherspoons .. Ideology or self-interest ??? discuss!

I mostly sold out of Whetherspoons a couple of years back, but still have some holdiangs through a couple of funds. So naturally I am disappointed that, despite all his bluster, profits are down 19% and that he intends to sell cheap British booze to replace favourite brands from the continent - sparkling Blue Nun instead of Champagne .... apparently the Swedish Koppaberg makes the cut> It appears costs are rising mostly because he is no longer attracting the hundreds of immigrants he used to employ on low wages. I laughed when he complained that part of the problem is that remainers (those he has criticised and whined about incessantly) are finding new watering holes.

However all kudos to him, unlike Dyson, he puts his money where his mouth is.

[towny44]

Hi Keith, sorry, but the evidence does not really show that, of course the timing of brexit could have been yet another huge coincidence
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46774053
Irrespective, brexit uncertainty is quoted as one of several factors in the slow down of car manufacturing in the UK. Taking into account that these car plants operate with about 1 hours worth of parts (they are heavily dependent on fleets of vehicles delivering parts throughout the day), so the huge risk to the supply chain (especially by reckless shouts about 'no deal' and WTO) are significant to these industries - even delays in completing paperwork could bring a production line to a halt.

Personally I would be asking Dyson why he has no faith in the British manufacturing industry. Considering his previous comments on globalisation there is absolutely no reason why he could not have built his new electric car plant in the UK. He had an opportunity to show the world that a British born-and-bred brexiteer was willing to put his money where his mouth was, he chose not to.

I guess you also ask him why he didn't choose any other European country but instead decided to locate to the most financially stable economy in the world. I imagine his shareholders will be very grateful.

So you are saying that the UK is not financially stable - who would have thought?

That's typical of a lot of remainers, twisting every single thing to try and disparage everything about brexit and its supporters.