Brexit

[Stephen]

Less of the old

[Gill W]

The reason that Barney’s shares are currently doing well is due to the fact that the pound is weak.

The £ has dropped against other currencies since 2016. ( which most on this forum conveniently ignore when guffawing that everything’s fine)

General rule . Weak pound = surging shares

[Mervyn and Trish]

Less of the old

I believe that is the new policy for saving money on pensions. ...

[towny44]

The reason that Barney’s shares are currently doing well is due to the fact that the pound is weak.

The £ has dropped against other currencies since 2016. ( which most on this forum conveniently ignore when guffawing that everything’s fine)

General rule . Weak pound = surging shares

Gill, you do state the obvious when trying to score your points, but tend to ignore the benefits to manufacturing and exports that a weaker pound brings. As a holidaymaker I am unhappy that Sterling buys me less Dollars and Euros than it did so I adjust my spending accordingly, but strangely the cost of living has not increased anywhere near to the devaluation level, maybe Tesco's suppliers are subsidising my purchases. So far the UK has not disappeared under the waves, despite all the predictions to the contrary, and whilst a no deal Brexit will likely produce rougher seas, I suspect that you and I will still be debating these same issues in 1 or 2 years years time.

[barney]

Anyone watch the Panorama prog with Nick Robinson.?

It really highlighted how poor the UK negotiating strategy was from the beginning.

The EU didcated all of the terms and TM agreed it.

Most interesting was Robinson's question to Barnier asking did TM ever threaten No Deal ?

Answer was no, not once was it even implied.

It really showed us up as totally incompetant.

Most humiliating was when she went to Brussels near the end, looking for them to throw her a bone and she left in total humiliation.

I actually felt a bit sorry for her.

Raab said that when he first contacted Barnier and said he was looking for a win/win agreement, Barnier said that this was impossible.

Says it all really and reinforces why it's not suited to us as a nation.

Seriously, why would anyone wish to stay in such a political insitution ?

[Ray Scully]

Anyone watch the Panorama prog with Nick Robinson.?

It really highlighted how poor the UK negotiating strategy was from the beginning.

The EU didcated all of the terms and TM agreed it. What was expected?

Most interesting was Robinson's question to Barnier asking did TM ever threaten No Deal ?

Answer was no, not once was it even implied.

It really showed us up as totally incompetant.

Most humiliating was when she went to Brussels near the end, looking for them to throw her a bone and she left in total humiliation.

I actually felt a bit sorry for her. She had already agreed the WA. perhaps the ERG should have thrown her a bone

Raab said that when he first contacted Barnier and said he was looking for a win/win agreement, Barnier said that this was impossible.

Says it all really and reinforces why it's not suited to us as a nation. In your opinion

Seriously, why would anyone wish to stay in such a political insitution ?

Because no one is able to inform me of any benefit to leaving.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Because no one is able to inform me of any benefit to leaving.

Without wishing to go over old ground Ray, those who wish to leave have set out endlessly on this thread the benefits they perceive of leaving, as eloquently as those who wish to stay have set out their perception of the benefits of staying. And it has nothing to do with unicorns or sunlit uplands.

It is head in sand to pretend otherwise. You clearly don't agree, which is fair enough. But not listening is what Call Me Dave was guilty of. If he'd not refused to acknowledge and act on the clearly expressed concerns of a lot of people (along with Major, Blair and Brown before him), preferring to only listen to his metropolitan elite, we'd not be where we are today.

So we can surely agree to disagree, even to robustly debate, without pretending we haven't heard the alternative arguments.

[oldbluefox]

The reason that Barney’s shares are currently doing well is due to the fact that the pound is weak.

The £ has dropped against other currencies since 2016. ( which most on this forum conveniently ignore when guffawing that everything’s fine)

General rule . Weak pound = surging shares

When we went to Germany in 1975 the pound was worth DM8.50. Those who had been there before were bemoaning the fact it had dropped from DM12. When we left in 1989 our pound was worth just DM4.25 and was deemed to be overvalued even in those days.
That was before Brexit was ever thought of but nowadays it seems Brexit can be blamed for anything and everything by those who are looking for points scoring.

[Ray Scully]

Because no one is able to inform me of any benefit to leaving.

Without wishing to go over old ground Ray, those who wish to leave have set out endlessly on this thread the benefits they perceive of leaving, as eloquently as those who wish to stay have set out their perception of the benefits of staying. And it has nothing to do with unicorns or sunlit uplands.

It is head in sand to pretend otherwise. You clearly don't agree, which is fair enough. But not listening is what Call Me Dave was guilty of. If he'd not refused to acknowledge and act on the clearly expressed concerns of a lot of people (along with Major, Blair and Brown before him), preferring to only listen to his metropolitan elite, we'd not be where we are today.

So we can surely agree to disagree, even to robustly debate, without pretending we haven't heard the alternative arguments.

Therein the problem lies I see the perceived benefits very differently from the leavers. Should we come to leaving I do however hope they are right rather than me. If the worst projections of those wanting to remain come to pass no one will be a winner

[oldbluefox]

Therein lies the problem. I see what we have not had over the past 40 years, the lack of benefits of our membership of the EU, the extravagant waste of money, the arrogance of our EU overlords and can see the direction the EU is looking to take in the future. As a consequence I want out.

[barney]

The reason that Barney’s shares are currently doing well is due to the fact that the pound is weak.

The £ has dropped against other currencies since 2016. ( which most on this forum conveniently ignore when guffawing that everything’s fine)

General rule . Weak pound = surging shares

When we went to Germany in 1975 the pound was worth DM8.50. Those who had been there before were bemoaning the fact it had dropped from DM12. When we left in 1989 our pound was worth just DM4.25 and was deemed to be overvalued even in those days.
That was before Brexit was ever thought of but nowadays it seems Brexit can be blamed for anything and everything by those who are looking for points scoring.

In the future, anything good that happens will be in spite of Brexit and anything bad that happens will be because of Brexit.

I take that as a given.

And as for 'but ... the people have changed their mind '

from Politico EU website (generally quite biased)
https://www.politico.eu/article/poll-uk ... -extremes/

It still seems London V The Rest.

[Gill W]

The reason that Barney’s shares are currently doing well is due to the fact that the pound is weak.

The £ has dropped against other currencies since 2016. ( which most on this forum conveniently ignore when guffawing that everything’s fine)

General rule . Weak pound = surging shares

Gill, you do state the obvious when trying to score your points, but tend to ignore the benefits to manufacturing and exports that a weaker pound brings. As a holidaymaker I am unhappy that Sterling buys me less Dollars and Euros than it did so I adjust my spending accordingly, but strangely the cost of living has not increased anywhere near to the devaluation level, maybe Tesco's suppliers are subsidising my purchases. So far the UK has not disappeared under the waves, despite all the predictions to the contrary, and whilst a no deal Brexit will likely produce rougher seas, I suspect that you and I will still be debating these same issues in 1 or 2 years years time.

A) The post was about Barney's shares, nothing else.

B) I'm not into point scoring. I don't need to be 'right'.

C) I've given up debating. Most posts on here could be straight from 2016. There's only a certain amount of times you can go round in circles. All I'm doing now is commenting.

[Gill W]

Anyone watch the Panorama prog with Nick Robinson.?

It really highlighted how poor the UK negotiating strategy was from the beginning.

The EU didcated all of the terms and TM agreed it.

Most interesting was Robinson's question to Barnier asking did TM ever threaten No Deal ?

Answer was no, not once was it even implied.

It really showed us up as totally incompetant.

Most humiliating was when she went to Brussels near the end, looking for them to throw her a bone and she left in total humiliation.

I actually felt a bit sorry for her.

Raab said that when he first contacted Barnier and said he was looking for a win/win agreement, Barnier said that this was impossible.

Says it all really and reinforces why it's not suited to us as a nation.

Seriously, why would anyone wish to stay in such a political insitution ?

It's not exactly a revelation that we were incompetent. I thought we had known that for at least two years, ever since David Davis was sent over there, grinning vacantly, thinking it was going to be easy. I thought we knew there was no plan apart from 'they need us more than we need them' and 'easiest deal in history'

Yes, it was humiliating at the end, when May went over there begging, but I can't bring myself to feel sorry for her. She shouldn't have triggered Article 50 in the first place with out an actual plan.

But at least May it appears May wasn't so barking mad as to threaten to metaphorically shoot herself in the head, which I understand some people think is a good negotiating tactic.

[Gill W]

Because no one is able to inform me of any benefit to leaving.

We know why that is!

[Gill W]

The reason that Barney’s shares are currently doing well is due to the fact that the pound is weak.

The £ has dropped against other currencies since 2016. ( which most on this forum conveniently ignore when guffawing that everything’s fine)

General rule . Weak pound = surging shares

When we went to Germany in 1975 the pound was worth DM8.50. Those who had been there before were bemoaning the fact it had dropped from DM12. When we left in 1989 our pound was worth just DM4.25 and was deemed to be overvalued even in those days.
That was before Brexit was ever thought of but nowadays it seems Brexit can be blamed for anything and everything by those who are looking for points scoring.

As I said to Towny, I'm not into point scoring.

Maybe you are, as you are dragging up things that happened 40 years ago.

Go right ahead, it's no skin off my nose.

[Gill W]

The reason that Barney’s shares are currently doing well is due to the fact that the pound is weak.

The £ has dropped against other currencies since 2016. ( which most on this forum conveniently ignore when guffawing that everything’s fine)

General rule . Weak pound = surging shares

When we went to Germany in 1975 the pound was worth DM8.50. Those who had been there before were bemoaning the fact it had dropped from DM12. When we left in 1989 our pound was worth just DM4.25 and was deemed to be overvalued even in those days.
That was before Brexit was ever thought of but nowadays it seems Brexit can be blamed for anything and everything by those who are looking for points scoring.

In the future, anything good that happens will be in spite of Brexit and anything bad that happens will be because of Brexit.

I take that as a given.

And as for 'but ... the people have changed their mind '

from Politico EU website (generally quite biased)
https://www.politico.eu/article/poll-uk ... -extremes/

It still seems London V The Rest.

Whatever.

I've already said I'm not getting into any debates.

[towny44]

When we went to Germany in 1975 the pound was worth DM8.50. Those who had been there before were bemoaning the fact it had dropped from DM12. When we left in 1989 our pound was worth just DM4.25 and was deemed to be overvalued even in those days.
That was before Brexit was ever thought of but nowadays it seems Brexit can be blamed for anything and everything by those who are looking for points scoring.

In the future, anything good that happens will be in spite of Brexit and anything bad that happens will be because of Brexit.

I take that as a given.

And as for 'but ... the people have changed their mind '

from Politico EU website (generally quite biased)
https://www.politico.eu/article/poll-uk ... -extremes/

It still seems London V The Rest.

Whatever.

I've already said I'm not getting into any debates.

You posted quite a few times there to make the points that you were not point scoring or getting into debates. Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

[Manoverboard]

It would be a tad fool hardy to get into point scoring now … far better to save it up til Boris gets us out of t' Federation

[Gill W]

You posted quite a few times there to make the points that you were not point scoring or getting into debates. Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

*shrugs*

[towny44]

You posted quite a few times there to make the points that you were not point scoring or getting into debates. Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

*shrugs*

The way to avoid debate is surely not to post,especially when you know your views will be at variance with lots of other contributors.
By the way I am not proposing you stop posting, merely making an observation.

[anniec]

Anyone seen this chap's posts? Warning: his language can be a little ripe.

[Gill W]

I hadn’t seen that one Annie, but I had seen a previous one, which was about Boris and ‘making buses’.

Very funny indeed

edited to add

‘Paragraph 5c’ is funny as well. You can just imagine Johnson being fed his lines, and still managing to come out with meaningless blather!

[Ray Scully]

I hadn’t seen that one Annie, but I had seen a previous one, which was about Boris and ‘making buses’.

Very funny indeed

edited to add

‘Paragraph 5c’ is funny as well. You can just imagine Johnson being fed his lines, and still managing to come out with meaningless blather!

Ye of little faith. Just watch out next week for Bojo zip wiring onto our stolen tanker all guns blazing, or perhaps waving his Union Jacks

[Gill W]

I hadn’t seen that one Annie, but I had seen a previous one, which was about Boris and ‘making buses’.

Very funny indeed

edited to add

‘Paragraph 5c’ is funny as well. You can just imagine Johnson being fed his lines, and still managing to come out with meaningless blather!

Ye of little faith. Just watch out next week for Bojo zip wiring onto our stolen tanker all guns blazing, or perhaps waving his Union Jacks

Yes, the bloke who was waving kippers around this week, will have to deal with an international crisis next week. What could possibly go wrong!

[Stephen]

I hadn’t seen that one Annie, but I had seen a previous one, which was about Boris and ‘making buses’.

Very funny indeed

edited to add

‘Paragraph 5c’ is funny as well. You can just imagine Johnson being fed his lines, and still managing to come out with meaningless blather!

I'd rather leave it the professionals like the SBS.

Ye of little faith. Just watch out next week for Bojo zip wiring onto our stolen tanker all guns blazing, or perhaps waving his Union Jacks