Brexit

[david63]

So severe that he has never gone home because of his needs.
Do you think that the NHS picks the bill up for this.
Nope !

The NHS should be picking up part of this bill if he needs nursing care - but I agree that they probably do not pick up enough of it.

There is another aspect to this and if he was in hospital and the hospital said that he needed to have nursing care then they should pick up the whole bill under "continuing care" - although I accept that there is probably a limit. This I know as I won a tens of thousand pound refund from the NHS regarding my father's care.

[Mervyn and Trish]

The NHS assessed my MIL for continuing care. In spite of her being unable to anything for herself including feeding they said she wasn't ill enough. She died within a week.

[Manoverboard]

We seem to have gone ' Off Topic ' again, it started at #6647 … just saying

[Mervyn and Trish]

We seem to have gone ' Off Topic ' again, it started at #6647 … just saying

I think you'll find #6647 was a reply to #6645. Just saying.

Anyway Brexit's boring.

[Manoverboard]

We seem to have gone ' Off Topic ' again, it started at #6647 … just saying

I think you'll find #6647 was a reply to #6645. Just saying.

Anyway Brexit's boring.

But me thinks it will become more interesting anytime soon

[Mervyn and Trish]

We seem to have gone ' Off Topic ' again, it started at #6647 … just saying

I think you'll find #6647 was a reply to #6645. Just saying.

Anyway Brexit's boring.

But me thinks it will become more interesting anytime soon

You're probably right. But at the moment we know nothing and it's all the same speculation going round and round. We be better off taking one of OL's tips on the 2020 Grand National!

[barney]

An alternative Irish view to the norm.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... -1.3973459

I can't help but think that had Varadkar played the mediator between the EU and UK instead of going all in with them, he would have emerged as a serious statesman instead of a Brussels lapdog.

How on earth does he think that any Irish produce is going to get to the continent through the UK corridor when our ports are at gridlock (according to them)
He's played a really bad hand and it's coming home to roost.

I was watching Sky news this morning and the question was asked to an Irish journo on exactly how this so called hard border would be policed.
He didn't have a clue.
He did say that there was 208 crossing points, which is more than the combined total to the borders at the east of the EU.
When asked who would build it and who would man it, agian, he didn't have any answers, just saying that the EU would insist.

Call their bluff BoJo.

I've said all along that it's a red herring and I think that will be proven.

[Gill W]

Why on Earth should an Irish journalist have all the answers

[Mervyn and Trish]

Especially when there aren't any. We don't want a border. The Irish don't want a border. But the only option to avoid it is a renegotiation and the EU have ruled that out. They'd better get on with the procurement process if they want to have it in place by November.

[barney]

Thought that myself Merv.
They better get cracking.

[Gill W]

Especially when there aren't any. We don't want a border. The Irish don't want a border. But the only option to avoid it is a renegotiation and the EU have ruled that out. They'd better get on with the procurement process if they want to have it in place by November.

If Johnson had any proposals for a new deal, they’d do him the curtesy of listening.

But Johnson has nothing except empty words.

You can’t renegotiate when the side who are unhappy with the deal have nothing new to say.

[Gill W]

it’s all getting circular again.

Johnson’s tactic of blaming the EU is going down well with his target audience - it’s exactly what they want to hear. It appeals to their confirmation bias, as evidenced on this forum day after day for three years.

Time for me to withdraw for a while.

[johnds]

Time for me to withdraw for a while.

Again

[oldbluefox]

Time for me to withdraw for a while.

Again

[Mervyn and Trish]

Especially when there aren't any. We don't want a border. The Irish don't want a border. But the only option to avoid it is a renegotiation and the EU have ruled that out. They'd better get on with the procurement process if they want to have it in place by November.

If Johnson had any proposals for a new deal, they’d do him the curtesy of listening.

But Johnson has nothing except empty words.

You can’t renegotiate when the side who are unhappy with the deal have nothing new to say.

But Gill you've been the one repeatedly telling us the EU will not renegotiate. You can't have it both ways.

[barney]

I was amazed to hear the French Minister say that they still don't know what the UK wants and more clarity is needed.

Seems the stock response now.

Fingers in ears ........ la la la

Tick tock.

[Manoverboard]

Time for me to withdraw for a while.

Again

Au revoir

[oldbluefox]

I was amazed to hear the French Minister say that they still don't know what the UK wants and more clarity is needed.

Seems the stock response now.

Fingers in ears ........ la la la

Tick tock.

And if we do tell them they say no can do.

[screwy]

Why on Earth should an Irish journalist have all the answers

Because when you listen/read them they think they have..

[david63]

I noticed yesterday that Carnage went back into "doom and gloom" mode!

[Mervyn and Trish]

This is interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63IcW4eo4uM

Expecially the line about economically the UK effectively reduces the EU to 9, rather than 27.

It echoes a lot of what I have been thinking. The countries of the EU, if not the bureaucrats, really want, and indeed need, us to stay. They've tried to achieve that by bullying and intransigence.

The day after the EU and David Cameron found that their assumption that we'd vote to stay was wrong the EU should have said okay, we hear you. Please put your plans to leave on hold for 12 months while we talk again to see if we can find real reforms that will encourage you to remain.

[barney]

What they have done is placed their faith in the institution of the EU to do its absolute best for the citizens of Europe.
That of course has never been the case.
If it was, the EU would have assisted in sorting out the southern countries economic problems and huge influx of illegal immigration into the same poor countries.

What the EU in Brussels has actually done is what they do best. Talk about it.

[Gill W]

Especially when there aren't any. We don't want a border. The Irish don't want a border. But the only option to avoid it is a renegotiation and the EU have ruled that out. They'd better get on with the procurement process if they want to have it in place by November.

If Johnson had any proposals for a new deal, they’d do him the curtesy of listening.

But Johnson has nothing except empty words.

You can’t renegotiate when the side who are unhappy with the deal have nothing new to say.

But Gill you've been the one repeatedly telling us the EU will not renegotiate. You can't have it both ways.

I said they'd do him the curtesy of listening - I never said anything about negotiations

[Gill W]

Time for me to withdraw for a while.

Again

Time for me to withdraw for a while.

Again

Again

Au revoir

Like a little playground gang.

All three of you - grow up

[barney]

If Johnson had any proposals for a new deal, they’d do him the curtesy of listening.

But Johnson has nothing except empty words.

You can’t renegotiate when the side who are unhappy with the deal have nothing new to say.

But Gill you've been the one repeatedly telling us the EU will not renegotiate. You can't have it both ways.

I said they'd do him the curtesy of listening - I never said anything about negotiations

Honestly Gill, I can't think of a bigger waste of time than for the UK PM getting on a train to Brussels to be told that they cannot reopen the failed agreement.
Until they come to terms with the fact that the agreement is dead in its current form, there is not anything to discuss.

Maybe they will, maybe they won't.
Tick tock.....