Capital Punishment

[Stephen]

Install exercise bikes in the prisons connected to dynamos. Prisoners have to peddle for 8 hours per day to generate the power to run the prison, maybe some left over for the national grid. Clean, green energy, fitter prisoners.

[Stephen]

I'm not a wooly liberal by any ' stretch ' ( see what I did there ) of the imagination but it surely follows that there have to be perks and treats in return for good behaviour if only to avoid a weekly riot and the throwing of ' screwy ' off the upper landing.

I've been inside at Oxford and Kilmainham prisons … does that count ?

You kept that quiet Moby you old lag you

[Dancing Queen]

In answer to your question yes we should be seeking punishment which is relevant to the crime and if that means the death penalty then so be it, revenge achieves nothing it doesn't bring someone back but if the deterrent is there in the first place then the crime might never have happened.

Which doesn't seem to work terribly well in the US.

No it doesn't but the UK isn't the US.

[Dancing Queen]

I really do have to laugh at some of the things being said ie,hard labour,no tv or phone etc.Do people not realise that most Prisons are run by Psychologists and not good old fashioned Governors who came up through the ranks, Carrot & Stick with less of the stick rules now I’m afraid,too many limp wristed liberals define the running of Prisons.Icould go on but if you have no experience of Prison other than Tv programs you really are in cloud cuckoo land, sorry, I don’t mean to be rude to anyone but Ido have 26 yrs experience of working with, Murderers,Rapists, Child molesters,Armed Robbers etc, Iwould happily work the Condemed Cell. Rant over.

David ... Please can we have a LIKE button

[david63]

I really do have to laugh at some of the things being said ie,hard labour,no tv or phone etc.Do people not realise that most Prisons are run by Psychologists and not good old fashioned Governors who came up through the ranks, Carrot & Stick with less of the stick rules now I’m afraid,too many limp wristed liberals define the running of Prisons.Icould go on but if you have no experience of Prison other than Tv programs you really are in cloud cuckoo land, sorry, I don’t mean to be rude to anyone but Ido have 26 yrs experience of working with, Murderers,Rapists, Child molesters,Armed Robbers etc, Iwould happily work the Condemed Cell. Rant over.

In fairness screwy I don't think that any of us are naive enough not to appreciate that it is the "do gooders" that dictate prison policy and I would hazard a guess that the majority have come out of university with some sort of [unrelated] degree and believe that they know all the answers. It should, however, be the Government laying down the will of the people as to the terms and conditions under which the prisons are run.

[screwy]

Hi David, I fully agree that it should be Govt laying the conditions. A few years ago a pilot scheme was run at a NW Prison, a Boot Camp in effect where a very harsh and stringent regime was run, this was proving to be quite succesfull but unforetunately Governors decided they new best and allowed it to deteriorate, the staff were Gobsmacked to say the least.

[Meg 50]

2 things:
1) if it were capital punishment for terrorist offences like the Manchester Arena, etc, there's the risk that the perpetrators will be elevated to martyr status by their peers and this would be counter -productive.

2) Many, many years ago ( in the 70s), a child I taught when asked what he wanted to do when he grew up, answered,
' Go to prison, Miss!'
when asked why, he said,
'cos my uncle's in prison and all he does is play cards all day'

[Stephen]

2 things:
1) if it were capital punishment for terrorist offences like the Manchester Arena, etc, there's the risk that the perpetrators will be elevated to martyr status by their peers and this would be counter -productive.

2) Many, many years ago ( in the 70s), a child I taught when asked what he wanted to do when he grew up, answered,
' Go to prison, Miss!'
when asked why, he said,
'cos my uncle's in prison and all he does is play cards all day'

I dont think martyredom cuts any ice with the general public these days Meg. They would just be happy knowing the terrorist scum were no longer on the face of the earth.

[towny44]

2 things:
1) if it were capital punishment for terrorist offences like the Manchester Arena, etc, there's the risk that the perpetrators will be elevated to martyr status by their peers and this would be counter -productive.

2) Many, many years ago ( in the 70s), a child I taught when asked what he wanted to do when he grew up, answered,
' Go to prison, Miss!'
when asked why, he said,
'cos my uncle's in prison and all he does is play cards all day'

I dont think martyredom cuts any ice with the general public these days Meg. They would just be happy knowing the terrorist scum were no longer on the face of the earth.

However the Manchester bomber blew himself up, so no court case or sentence conjecture is needed.

[screwy]

I know, let’s have a referendum and let Parliament enact the will of the people.! Oh,that’s already been tried.

[Stephen]

2 things:
1) if it were capital punishment for terrorist offences like the Manchester Arena, etc, there's the risk that the perpetrators will be elevated to martyr status by their peers and this would be counter -productive.

2) Many, many years ago ( in the 70s), a child I taught when asked what he wanted to do when he grew up, answered,
' Go to prison, Miss!'
when asked why, he said,
'cos my uncle's in prison and all he does is play cards all day'

I dont think martyredom cuts any ice with the general public these days Meg. They would just be happy knowing the terrorist scum were no longer on the face of the earth.

However the Manchester bomber blew himself up, so no court case or sentence conjecture is needed.

Blow yourself up, freferably not taking inocent people with you, or capital punishment, makes no odds to me. The result is all that matters.

[Meg 50]

2 things:
1) if it were capital punishment for terrorist offences like the Manchester Arena, etc, there's the risk that the perpetrators will be elevated to martyr status by their peers and this would be counter -productive.

2) Many, many years ago ( in the 70s), a child I taught when asked what he wanted to do when he grew up, answered,
' Go to prison, Miss!'
when asked why, he said,
'cos my uncle's in prison and all he does is play cards all day'

I dont think martyredom cuts any ice with the general public these days Meg. They would just be happy knowing the terrorist scum were no longer on the face of the earth.

agreed re the public - it's more their peergroup/ associates that bothers me

[oldbluefox]

Despite what everybody says I still feel that for the murder of a policeman in an obvious case where there is no room for error it's capital punishment for them. At least then we don't have to keep and feed them, neither do we have to pay for some so-called solicitor rifling the taxpayer's pocket to represent his/her 'rights'.
In all other cases it's hard labour with rehab time before they leave prison, just to show our humane side!!!
We once knew a defence solicitor who told us that some of his clients he had represented time and time again. He knew they were guilty but it was his job to represent them. What a waste of the taxpayers money. I would give them three lots of legal aid and after that they can fund their own defence. Thy are just taking the rest of us for a ride.