Brexit

[david63]

It's OK Ray - I will be at the Capitol tomorrow so I will sort that out!!!!

[Mervyn and Trish]

A bit hypocritical that the US are so keen on protecting the GFA when in the past they were major funders of the IRA terrorists.

[Gill W]

Release of a confidential document out of context is mischief making and not the whole picture. The latter is responsible planning.

Barney thinks it’s a problem that people might believe what’s in Yellowhammer - which implies he doesn’t believe it.

It’s still a contradictory position from members of this forum. Simultaneously disbelieving, yet agreeing that preparing for the thing you disbelieve in is good practice.

Talking about having to tie your self in knots!

[Gill W]

I do have to admire GillW who having been deserted by her remain colleagues is valiantly trying to return all the smashes and volleys from the massed ranks of the leave brigade on the other side of the net.

It’s not a problem to fire off a few short posts if I’m in the mood and I see something that needs challenging.


It’s just a shame that we are now perceived to be so divided.

[towny44]

I do have to admire GillW who having been deserted by her remain colleagues is valiantly trying to return all the smashes and volleys from the massed ranks of the leave brigade on the other side of the net.

It’s not a problem to fire off a few short posts if I’m in the mood and I see something that needs challenging.


It’s just a shame that we are now perceived to be so divided.

We are not divided Gill, just viewing the same problem from different angles, those of us with minds that can allow for these different perspectives, are able to see the wood for the trees.

[barney]

Can anyone give me one good reason why the UK customs would hold up trucks entering the country at Dover .
There may be problems going the other way if France choose to do so, but coming in ? Absolute scaremongering.

[Manoverboard]

…. It’s still a contradictory position from members of this forum. Simultaneously disbelieving, yet agreeing that preparing for the thing you disbelieve in is good practice.

Major Companies that have Computer Centres sited within 20 miles of an airport will have Contingency plans in place to cater for the event of a Jumbo Jet falling out of the sky onto their building ..… as Merv said it's a case of routine sensible planning even though nobody believes it will actually happen.

[barney]

Cameron dammed for not making contingency plans.
Johnson dammed for doing it.

No pleasing some folk.

Once it's over, the bed wetters will blame everything that happens in the future on leaving the EU.

Meanwhile, in la la land.
The ECB announces that QE will start again to prop up the Eurozone and Germany announce a 50 billion stimulus to try and stave off their forthcoming recession.

Another inconvenient fact that the anti democrats like to ignore.

I believe that history will prove that leaving the EU will be the best decision this country has ever made.

[towny44]

Cameron dammed for not making contingency plans.
I thought that was May?
Johnson dammed for doing it.

No pleasing some folk.

Once it's over, the bed wetters will blame everything that happens in the future on leaving the EU.

Meanwhile, in la la land.
The ECB announces that QE will start again to prop up the Eurozone and Germany announce a 50 billion stimulus to try and stave off their forthcoming recession.

Another inconvenient fact that the anti democrats like to ignore.

I believe that history will prove that leaving the EU will be the best decision this country has ever made.

We certainly do need a like button David.

[Gill W]

I do have to admire GillW who having been deserted by her remain colleagues is valiantly trying to return all the smashes and volleys from the massed ranks of the leave brigade on the other side of the net.

It’s not a problem to fire off a few short posts if I’m in the mood and I see something that needs challenging.


It’s just a shame that we are now perceived to be so divided.

We are not divided Gill, just viewing the same problem from different angles, those of us with minds that can allow for these different perspectives, are able to see the wood for the trees.

I agree that you have a more open mind, but based on the last 4 years, I have come the the conclusion that some forum members are, to put it politely, less open minded. Or more bluntly, tunnel visioned ideologues. It’s very difficult not to feel a divide when interacting with people like that

[Gill W]

…. It’s still a contradictory position from members of this forum. Simultaneously disbelieving, yet agreeing that preparing for the thing you disbelieve in is good practice.

Major Companies that have Computer Centres sited within 20 miles of an airport will have Contingency plans in place to cater for the event of a Jumbo Jet falling out of the sky onto their building ..… as Merv said it's a case of routine sensible planning even though nobody believes it will actually happen.

Tell it to Barney. He’s the one that appears to be in total denial

[Gill W]

Can anyone give me one good reason why the UK customs would hold up trucks entering the country at Dover .
There may be problems going the other way if France choose to do so, but coming in ? Absolute scaremongering.

I take it that’s a rhetorical question.

I suspect that all you want is another opportunity to start a rant about ‘bed wetters’

[barney]

Gill, I'm in denial of nothing.

The facts are the facts and what is, is.

Many on your side are still fighting the referendum.

I own a few businesses. I always make contingencies for the unexpected. For example, I always keep some cash in a separate account for wages. If cash flow was short term affected, I could still pay wages.
I've never needed to use it, but you never know.

Planning is everything.

You must get used to the point that by the Tories choosing Johnson as PM, the landscape has dramatically changed.

Total clarity in the UK position.

We all agree that the WA cannot pass parliament with the backstop so the ball is very much in the EU side of the court.
They agree to the change or force the UK out without a WA.

Surely that is clear enough.

[Ray Scully]

Cameron dammed for not making contingency plans.
Johnson dammed for doing it.

No pleasing some folk.

Once it's over, the bed wetters will blame everything that happens in the future on leaving the EU.
Seems like you are getting your excuses in early Barney as for referring to those with whom you don't agree as bed wetters. Well i think you are doing yourself a disservice using such terms.

Meanwhile, in la la land.
The ECB announces that QE will start again to prop up the Eurozone and Germany announce a 50 billion stimulus to try and stave off their forthcoming recession.

Another inconvenient fact that the anti democrats like to ignore.

I believe that history will prove that leaving the EU will be the best decision this country has ever made.

[barney]

It's a football term Ray.

It describes the type of fan who talks constantly in terms of doom and gloom.
Things are never good enough.
Calling for the managers job three games in.
Using terms like, we've got relegation written all over us
Things will always get worse.

All of us footie fans have sat near people like this.

Remainists fall firmly in to this category in my opinion.

Things cannot go on as they are.
Parliament will not pass the WA as it stands so the only options are either no backstop or no brexit.
If you think that Brexit has emboldened the far right, then multiply by a hundred if no brexit.

Not only must democracy be done, but publicly seen to be done.
Then we can all get on with our lives

[barney]

The EU appear to be in total denial that things have changed.
I'm assuming that Remainists are in agreement with their stance, even though they oppose the WA.
So, where do we go?

[barney]

Just watched Sadiq Kahn on Sky.
He, like most Remainists is still fighting the referendum.

[Ray Scully]

It's a football term Ray.

It describes the type of fan who talks constantly in terms of doom and gloom.
Things are never good enough.
Calling for the managers job three games in.
Using terms like, we've got relegation written all over us
Things will always get worse.

All of us footie fans have sat near people like this.

Remainists fall firmly in to this category in my opinion.

Things cannot go on as they are.
Parliament will not pass the WA as it stands so the only options are either no backstop or no brexit.
If you think that Brexit has emboldened the far right, then multiply by a hundred if no brexit.

Not only must democracy be done, but publicly seen to be done.
Then we can all get on with our lives

I despair Barney, comparing Brexit with a football match.

[oldbluefox]

Well i think you are doing yourself a disservice using such terms.

I think you're right Ray and I too am surprised at barney for using a term which is so passe. I think headless chickens is more de rigueur, don'cha think?

[Ray Scully]

Just watched Sadiq Kahn on Sky.
He, like most Remainists is still fighting the referendum.

No doubt in the interest of the lives and livelihoods of those he considers would be adversely effected by a bad deal or crashing out.

You may have a short memory Barney but attached are the pronouncement made at the Referendum, which you must agree bear no resemblance to the reality. Real democracy would be making decisions on facts not the fiction.

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[barney]

All of that would have been achievable had the Tories handled the negotiations in the correct way.
By allowing the WA and the trade deal to be separated left the EU in an upper position.
I said that at the time as did others.

The situation we are now in is because of TM and parliament.

As least this Tory is trying to break the deadlock.

WA or not, this has got to be sorted.
The indicision is affecting everyone.

[towny44]

As someone who railed against the concerns that the millennium bug would result in total chaos, and was proved right, I am quite looking forward to a no deal Brexit, in the hope that the left leaning media, and paranoid remainers will have egg all over their faces.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Just seen an interesting poll, which shows considerably more people are in favour of a no deal Brexit than Corbyn taking over.

[Gill W]

Gill, I'm in denial of nothing.

The facts are the facts and what is, is.

Many on your side are still fighting the referendum.

I own a few businesses. I always make contingencies for the unexpected. For example, I always keep some cash in a separate account for wages. If cash flow was short term affected, I could still pay wages.
I've never needed to use it, but you never know.

Planning is everything.

You must get used to the point that by the Tories choosing Johnson as PM, the landscape has dramatically changed.

Total clarity in the UK position.

We all agree that the WA cannot pass parliament with the backstop so the ball is very much in the EU side of the court.
They agree to the change or force the UK out without a WA.

Surely that is clear enough.

So we've got this straight.

It's fine that the government are spending millions on Operation Yellowhammer and further millions on mitigating the outcomes.

On the other hand

The problem is that many do believe it.

Anybody who wonders if anything in Yellowhammer is remotely true is a bedwetter.

PS, we've been here before - please don't tell me what I should do.

I'm not even getting into the circular discussion that is the backstop

[Gill W]

Meanwhile, in la la land.
The ECB announces that QE will start again to prop up the Eurozone and Germany announce a 50 billion stimulus to try and stave off their forthcoming recession.

Another inconvenient fact that the anti democrats like to ignore.

I suppose this is demonstrate that the Euro is a weak currency?

I don't know what that says about the pound, considering the sinking EUR/GBP exchange rate.

Another inconvenient fact that Quitling ideologues like to ignore.