Brexit

[towny44]

Just a little reminder attached to explain to our Remainist friends that 'things to stay as they are' is not and has never been an option.

https://www.politico.eu/article/europe- ... mpetition/

Quite a short article but very telling about which way the European Union sees it's future.

......and yet there are those in this country that believe the EU is the only way for the UK to prosper. Unfortunately Barney I don't think I will be around in 20-30 years time to witness the UK as the number one country in Europe, and the EU struggling to maintain its place in the world rankings, even its still in existence in its present form.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Interesting that politicians of all parties are now rushing round like headless chickens to prevent no deal.

In fact they had three chances to prevent no deal, by voting for the only deal on offer.

But they refused that because actually what they want, but are unwilling to openly tell their electors, is no Brexit.

[barney]

As I've mentioned previously Merv.
When I voted leave, I did so on the assumption that both sides would come up with an amicable agreement.
Unfortunately that has not turned out to be the case.
With every opposition MP, bar a few, voting against the deal, accompanied by the SNP, the Libdems, the solo Green, a few Indies and a hardcore of Tory remainers and leavers, how do you think we can square the circle.

The ERG haven't been the reason that the agreement did not pass through parliament three times.
It has been MPs in general.

So the situation now is, they cannot agree how we leave but insist that there must be an agreement.
Begs the question, what agreement, given that they have rejected the EU proposal three times.
Could the PM bring it back for a fourth go and expect a different result?

I'd doubt it.
So in the event of no agreement, what now?

As to John's point, well, the Remainists love to call anyone who voted to leave an isolationist, but it's quite clear that this is the policy of the EU.
Put up the barriers and protect the EU from the big, bad world, while CAP continues to rip off it's citizens.
The EU is a protectionist, Ponzi scheme.
Doling out money to the supplicant countries without any real thought to who or how it's paid for.
Need more Euros ?
No probs.
The ECB will print some more under the guise of QE.

[Manoverboard]

Why does American chicken have to have bugs washed off it?

I’ll answer for you. In the US, there are no laws to prevent poor standards of animal husbandry so chickens can be reared in very poor condition and have to be disinfected before they can be considered for human consumption.

EU standards are much higher so the meat doesn’t need disinfecting.

That may not be strictly true … if the following extract is accurate.

Why is Chlorinated Chicken used in the US?

To help manage pathogens like salmonella and campylobacter and protect consumers from infections.

According to a report from the Adam Smith Institute (which argues in favour of allowing PRTs), “immersing poultry meat in chlorine dioxide solution of the strength used in the United States reduces prevalence of salmonella from 14% in controls to 2%. EU chicken samples typically have 15-20% salmonella.”

The Full Report re Chlorinated Chicken

There may be other reports of course but in any event chicken is a bird that carries bugs by default.


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That's just another red herring Moby, just like the Irish border issue.

Ultimately, the consumer decides what to buy, and if folks don't want to buy American chicken, then it will not be imported, no matter what any trade agreement says. …… Simple as that.

Absolutely so Barney.

The best part is that in the UK Tesco, Sainsburys and Aldi all use exactly the same solution to pre wash their bagged salad ranges.

[Mervyn and Trish]

And whenever anybody contracts a bug from food the compo forms are out faster than a missed port in a storm.

[Stephen]

I have spare forms should they be required.

[towny44]

That may not be strictly true … if the following extract is accurate.

Why is Chlorinated Chicken used in the US?

To help manage pathogens like salmonella and campylobacter and protect consumers from infections.

According to a report from the Adam Smith Institute (which argues in favour of allowing PRTs), “immersing poultry meat in chlorine dioxide solution of the strength used in the United States reduces prevalence of salmonella from 14% in controls to 2%. EU chicken samples typically have 15-20% salmonella.”

The Full Report re Chlorinated Chicken

There may be other reports of course but in any event chicken is a bird that carries bugs by default.


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That's just another red herring Moby, just like the Irish border issue.

Ultimately, the consumer decides what to buy, and if folks don't want to buy American chicken, then it will not be imported, no matter what any trade agreement says. …… Simple as that.

Absolutely so Barney.

The best part is that in the UK Tesco, Sainsburys and Aldi all use exactly the same solution to pre wash their bagged salad ranges.

Even with our so called higher animal husbandry standards, we still have regular outbreaks of food poisoning which is ultimately attributed to infected chicken carcasses, maybe we ought to bring in the same rinse the Americans use, just as an extra safeguard.

[oldbluefox]

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[barney]

Well, well, well.
It seems that Johnson is ramping it all up a bit.
About time..

If any in the EU still think that Brexit is unlikely, I think the point is now driven home.

I watched Soubry being interviewed earlier and she seemed more deranged than ever. Still, she'll have plenty of time on her hands soon.

[barney]

Much wailing and knashing of teeth coming from the Remainists.

Would did they blooming well expect ?

I’m sorry but parliament only has itself to blame for where we find ourselves.

Parliament legislated for a two year period to negotiate a deal with no deal being the default option.
They literally made this law.

Parliament then proceeded to vote down multiple times the deal that was put to it despite the EU insisting that it was the only and best deal available and despite the WA being required for whatever type of Brexit transpired.
And they voted it down for their own contrived reasons, and ulterior motives.

So once again, it is the members of parliament collectively responsible for where we are today.

Suck it up !

[Whynd1]

Quite agree . I rarely post on this thread as politics is such a personal thing, but if I hear on more time on the BBC than the Prime Minister has only been elected by a very small section of society I shall scream. It's the conservative party rules.
A ,it of these remainers need a reality check.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Agree 100% Barney. I would add that the period that parliament is shut will only be a few days longer than the party conference season when they all bugger off to the seaside anyway. And follows their ludicrously long summer holiday. Which they didn't seem too bothered about. This wouldn't have come about at all if it wasn't for their devious scheming to try to overturn the Brexit referendum, despite an overwhelming majority of them being elected to their seats on manifestos pledging to deliver it. Go Bojo!

[towny44]

Well do we believe that a GE is now more or less likely?

[Mervyn and Trish]

And if so who will win?

[barney]

Nobody knows.

It all probably depends on Labours stance.
If they go all in remain, they will get clobbered in many of their strongholds.
They will clearly win London but not enough to gain a majority overall in my opinion.

I think that the Tories and Brexit may form an unofficial pact in big leave seats that the Conservatives have no chance in.

[Mervyn and Trish]

With the current polls showing a decent lead for the Conservatives and BoJo a big personal lead over Jezzer how keen will Labour be to force an election? It could be a bigger miscalculation than TM made in 2017.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Of course there is a potential twist here. Everyone assumes this is to force through no deal.

But Squeaker Bercow ruled parliament could not vote again on anything close to TM's deal in the current session. This would equally get round that ruling.

[barney]

Quite amusing watching the news at the moment.

All those brilliant legal minds being out manoeuvred by a 'clown'

What does it say about their competence?

[Mervyn and Trish]

When their only declared objectives were to overturn the result of the referendum, defeat the policy of and/or bring down the government did they expect no reaction?

[Stephen]

Parliament had their chance, three times to get a deal through with TM, now they're whinging because someone has taken the bull by the horns that will hopefully get a conclusion to this Brexit mess. The country is sick and tired of it all and just want an end to it one way or another.

Like him or not, at least Boris isn't afraid to get on with it come what may and not keep running to Brussels cap in hand.

[CaroleF]

Absolutely agree. Did anyone hear Jacob Rees-Mogg's interview with John Humphries on the Today Programme this monring? It was really good to hear how such a polite person and so knowledgeable could run rings around J.H. My husband, a Remainer - we have interestings discussions - said it was brilliant and he had very rude things to say about Dominic Grieve's latest outburst. I hope that man's constituents are going to de-select him.

[screwy]

Amazing how all those up in arms are calling it undemocratic.? Well.!!! Pot,Kettle ,Black springs to mind.

[Stephen]

Absolutely agree. Did anyone hear Jacob Rees-Mogg's interview with John Humphries on the Today Programme this monring? It was really good to hear how such a polite person and so knowledgeable could run rings around J.H. My husband, a Remainer - we have interestings discussions - said it was brilliant and he had very rude things to say about Dominic Grieve's latest outburst. I hope that man's constituents are going to de-select him.

I just listened to the interview online.

Jacob Rees-Mogg, he knows his stuff, is eloquent, a gentleman and comes across as old school. I like him

[Ray Scully]

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[barney]

Absolutely agree. Did anyone hear Jacob Rees-Mogg's interview with John Humphries on the Today Programme this monring? It was really good to hear how such a polite person and so knowledgeable could run rings around J.H. My husband, a Remainer - we have interestings discussions - said it was brilliant and he had very rude things to say about Dominic Grieve's latest outburst. I hope that man's constituents are going to de-select him.

I just listened to the interview online.

Jacob Rees-Mogg, he knows his stuff, is eloquent, a gentleman and comes across as old school. I like him

Like you Stephen, I've just listened online.

I think that The Speaker has met his match.