Brexit

[screwy]

Oh dear....round and round we go. I refer back to a previous post....Guy Fawkes had the right idea. No ,I am not condoning mass murder before you start.

I know, it's depressing isn't it?

Yes it is. How on earth do these MP’s expect us ‘ normal people ‘ to behave when we witness they’re antics.

[Gill W]

I am also unable to get overly excited about anybody's use of ' language ' given the negative blocking tactics that have been used to prevent us leaving the EU with or without a deal over these past years.

Many people in the House and indeed beyond are very angry inside and will speak out without biting their tongue as they ought … but should we be surprised I ask myself.

No bridge building here either, eh Towny?

Bridge building for who or should I say whom ?

There should be no need to build bridges between you and I Gill, we have different opinions but so what that is life. In any event this Topic is about ' Brexit ' not ' Gill W '.

Building bridges with the Remainers within Parliament however will, imo, simply not happen. Those who have defied the will of the people throughout this sorry saga in spite of the wishes of their constituencies will pay the price and be resented for many years to come. If we do however leave the EU those Remainers will be forgotten about and good riddance if they are deselected.

Ask Towny, he was the one who brought up bridge building, not me

[Gill W]

Oh dear....round and round we go. I refer back to a previous post....Guy Fawkes had the right idea. No ,I am not condoning mass murder before you start.

I know, it's depressing isn't it?

Yes it is. How on earth do these MP’s expect us ‘ normal people ‘ to behave when we witness they’re antics.

It would be nice if they could set an example, but it seems pretty hopeless right now.

Anyway, I'm going to get ready to go out to lunch with my friend, and get away from this for an hour or two

[Onelife]

What a load of Humbug....its about time these undemocratic "traitors" got what was coming to them...nice one Boris.

As for Geoffrey Cox....He gave a frank and honest rebuke to all who think they have the right to manipulate our parliamentary processes for their own means.....nice one Geoffrey.

If any apology is required then it should come from the two MP's who used the tragedy of Jo Cox as a tool to bolster up their claims that Boris was being inflammatory...."Disgraceful"

Still missing Theresa xx

P.s what we now don't need is a hundred Arch Bishops sticking their noses into the mix.

[Ray Scully]

One can rant and rave all one want on this forum, but it will be the self interest of the politicians and the rich and powerful that will decide the outcome.

[barney]

As I said earlier, it has gone too far.
Three years on and nothing has changed.
Both sides of the divide claim to speak to the majority.

Our missing friend Jack seemed to think that there would be another referendum, the result would be reversed, and we'd all live happily ever after.

I told him that nothing could be further from the truth.

The rise of the far right across Europe was because the governing class did not listen to the feelings of the electorate.
That will happen in the UK if brexit is not finalised.

Parliament gave permission for the vote.
Parliament voted to trigger A50.
Parliament is now stopping it happening.
An inconvenient truth but a fact.

[Ray Scully]

One can rant and rave all one want on this forum, but it will be the self interest of the politicians and the rich and powerful that will decide the outcome. We are merely 'cannon fodder'

[barney]

We are also the cannon fodder who can put them out of work Ray.
There will be an awful lot of new faces after the next election.

Where I live now, it's always been a Libdem or Tory.
The Libdem candidate has recently had to stand down because of racist comments about the constituents..... really.

So that should be a shoe in for the Conservatives?

However, polling is showing that the Brexit candidate is in with a good chance.
A local woman as opposed to flown in professionals.

The times are a changin.

[Mervyn and Trish]

I'm all for bridge building. God knows we'll need it when all this is over.

What angers me is not opinions here. We all had a vote and were entitled to vote differently.

What angers me is that the result of the vote was a clear, if not huge, majority and the two main parties went into the GE on manifestos to deliver it. Yet two thirds of them have done everything in their power to stop it happening. They call Boris a liar? What is it then to get elected on a pledge and then quite deliberately not honour it?

My vote, incidentally, is worth the same as John Major's and Gina Miller's. What gives them the right to try to overturn mine. Yes of course Gina Miller's motive is purely to uphold the constitution. In the same way Boris only prorogued parliament so he could have a Queen's Speech. And she suggests Boris is a liar?

I don't condone some of Boris's language, but I understand his frustration and his tactics. Theresa May played nicey nicey and where did it get her? Yes I know Boris and the ERG voted against her plans but wouldn't have got anywhere if the majority of moderate MPs, who promised to deliver Brexit had backed her. It would have been sorted by now. And those same moderate MPs, who hounded her out of office, are the ones now worrying about no deal and attacking Boris.

Neither do I condone using the tragic death of Jo Cox in the propaganda war. If we are worrying about MPs words and actions causing the deaths of innocent people, and for that matter worry about Boris cosying up to Trump, let's not forget a former Labour Prime Minister, Tony Blair, cosying up to Bush and feeding us the dodgy dossier which led us to war with Iraq. That led directly to innocent deaths on both sides and led to the growth of terror groups such as Al Qaeda and IS, which have killed many more since. Which was the more damaging lie? That one or a statistic no-one believed anyway painted on a bus?

Then of course there is the self righteous and self serving Mr Corbyn, friend of terrorists and ready to destroy our economy even when it has survived Brexit. And on the subject of language, remember his muttered "stupid woman" in the Commons, and Gordon Brown's "Bigot" of a member of the public voicing here concerns.

For all his faults, and he has many, I just want Boris to get it done.

[screwy]

Well said Merv.

[Gill W]

As I said earlier, it has gone too far.
Three years on and nothing has changed.
Both sides of the divide claim to speak to the majority.

Our missing friend Jack seemed to think that there would be another referendum, the result would be reversed, and we'd all live happily ever after.

I told him that nothing could be further from the truth.

The rise of the far right across Europe was because the governing class did not listen to the feelings of the electorate.
That will happen in the UK if brexit is not finalised.

Parliament gave permission for the vote.
Parliament voted to trigger A50.
Parliament is now stopping it happening.
An inconvenient truth but a fact.

I think the current situation is that parliament is stopping a no deal Brexit

[Stephen]

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[Manoverboard]

What a load of rubbish ….

The Topic is ' B R E X I T '

Kindly note that any more tosh about who said what and how would you like etc will be deleted.

Regards MobyMod

[Stephen]

What a load of Humbug....its about time these undemocratic "traitors" got what was coming to them...nice one Boris.

As for Geoffrey Cox....He gave a frank and honest rebuke to all who think they have the right to manipulate our parliamentary processes for their own means.....nice one Geoffrey.

If any apology is required then it should come from the two MP's who used the tragedy of Jo Cox as a tool to bolster up their claims that Boris was being inflammatory...."Disgraceful"

Still missing Theresa xx

P.s what we now don't need is a hundred Arch Bishops sticking their noses into the mix.

Good to see you back Keith

[Manoverboard]

Indeed it is ….

[barney]

As I said earlier, it has gone too far.
Three years on and nothing has changed.
Both sides of the divide claim to speak to the majority.

Our missing friend Jack seemed to think that there would be another referendum, the result would be reversed, and we'd all live happily ever after.

I told him that nothing could be further from the truth.

The rise of the far right across Europe was because the governing class did not listen to the feelings of the electorate.
That will happen in the UK if brexit is not finalised.

Parliament gave permission for the vote.
Parliament voted to trigger A50.
Parliament is now stopping it happening.
An inconvenient truth but a fact.

I think the current situation is that parliament is stopping a no deal Brexit

That is not correct Gill.
Parliament is just kicking a no deal Brexit down the road a little bit.
The legal default position is to leave

[Gill W]

As I said earlier, it has gone too far.
Three years on and nothing has changed.
Both sides of the divide claim to speak to the majority.

Our missing friend Jack seemed to think that there would be another referendum, the result would be reversed, and we'd all live happily ever after.

I told him that nothing could be further from the truth.

The rise of the far right across Europe was because the governing class did not listen to the feelings of the electorate.
That will happen in the UK if brexit is not finalised.

Parliament gave permission for the vote.
Parliament voted to trigger A50.
Parliament is now stopping it happening.
An inconvenient truth but a fact.

I think the current situation is that parliament is stopping a no deal Brexit

That is not correct Gill.
Parliament is just kicking a no deal Brexit down the road a little bit.
The legal default position is to leave

So that’s a tacit admission that Johnson has no intention of getting a deal and he’s therefore lying to us

[BrianI]

My wife received her new passport today. The words “European Union” do not now appear on the front cover. It is still burgundy though.
Brian

[Onelife]

Thanks Stephen, Mob....The poppy seeds are helping

[Mervyn and Trish]

The only way to stop a no deal Brexit, other than overturning the result of the referendum, is to agree a deal. That's what Parliament has been failing to do for three years. Because most of them believe that if they do so, in the end it will go away. Blocking no deal is just another tactic along the way. They're all lying to us.

[oldbluefox]

The only way to stop a no deal Brexit, other than overturning the result of the referendum, is to agree a deal.

................which is what the other parties should have been endeavouring to achieve following the outcome of the referendum. They are the ones to blame for the toxic atmosphere which is of their own making, not only in Parliament but throughout the country. Soft Brexit, hard Brexit, that is where their influence could have been imposed rather than attempting to overcome the result and offering their lame excuses and accusations.
It need not have come to this.

[towny44]

The only way to stop a no deal Brexit, other than overturning the result of the referendum, is to agree a deal.

................which is what the other parties should have been endeavouring to achieve following the outcome of the referendum. They are the ones to blame for the toxic atmosphere which is of their own making, not only in Parliament but throughout the country. Soft Brexit, hard Brexit, that is where their influence could have been imposed rather than attempting to overcome the result and offering their lame excuses and accusations.
It need not have come to this.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, great pity our MPs don't posses any foresight.

[Ray Scully]

The only way to stop a no deal Brexit, other than overturning the result of the referendum, is to agree a deal.

................which is what the other parties should have been endeavouring to achieve following the outcome of the referendum. They are the ones to blame for the toxic atmosphere which is of their own making, not only in Parliament but throughout the country. Soft Brexit, hard Brexit, that is where their influence could have been imposed rather than attempting to overcome the result and offering their lame excuses and accusations.
It need not have come to this.

OBF

From day one the Remainers and Complete breakers were digging themselves in, Also we have a number of pragmatists who sadly have no leverage. Any resolution will be one that covers the politicians backs, the interests of whom they represent will be secondary

[oldbluefox]

Getting worried now Ray. I am in total agreement, pure and unsullied!!!
I believe there are quite a number of our MPs who know they have been rumbled, know they will not be reselected or will be voted out and are now running scared of the electorate but determined to do as much damage to Brexit before they go. There will be one hell of a shake up come the GE and rightly so.

[Gill W]

I suppose nobody here believes the suggestions (including from his own sister) that Johnson is desperate for a no deal Brexit to satisfy his currency speculator backers

What about Johnson’s referral to the police watchdog regarding the Jennifer Arcuri allegations? Is that something that is going to be ignored here?