Brexit

[towny44]

I watched Boris's speech to the conference, it was certainly uplifting and lighthearted, long on wish lists for what he wants his govt. to do, but short on how its going to finance it, but a lot less far fetched than Mcdonnell's, that's assuming his was the real leaders speech. I now await his final Brexit proposals to the EU with interest.

[barney]

It was like an after dinner speach without the dinner.

I think on Johnsons plan, we are even further away from what they would find acceptable.
They want the UK tied in.
This proposal doesn't do that in any way shape or form.
I'd be quite surprised if they go for it but you never know, just to see the back of us.

[towny44]

It was like an after dinner speach without the dinner.

I think on Johnsons plan, we are even further away from what they would find acceptable.
They want the UK tied in.
This proposal doesn't do that in any way shape or form.
I'd be quite surprised if they go for it but you never know, just to see the back of us.

They certainly won't want an unruly UK stirring up problems as they sink into recession, and I would think they would really like to see the back of Farage as soon poss.

[Gill W]

A key point for me Gill is that alleged sexual assault is of course a serious and often difficult and embarrassing issue for the victim. Which is why I find it difficult to understand why such a victim would write about it very publicly in a national newspaper, rather than discussing it confidentially with the police and asking them to investigate. The latter would surely be less embarrassing and allow police to interview the alleged perpetrator and allow them to present their side of the story and face trial, if there was sufficient evidence, and appropriate sentence if found guilty. Unless of course the object was not to achieve justice. Which is why I am deeply suspicious of this woman's motives and therefore the credibility of her story.

I think we have both done the same thing - looked at the information available and decided on her credibility. You have decided she’s not believable. Whereas, based on everything I know about Johnson, I find her story believable

Basically, we’re just going on gut feelings. We’re only human!

[Gill W]

It was like an after dinner speach without the dinner.

I think on Johnsons plan, we are even further away from what they would find acceptable.
They want the UK tied in.
This proposal doesn't do that in any way shape or form.
I'd be quite surprised if they go for it but you never know, just to see the back of us.

There’s a school of thought that Johnson has purposely suggested something that the EU will find unsatisfactory, so, when they reject it, he can double down on the EU blaming.

In December 2017 the U.K. said there would no hard border and no new regulations or physical checks. It’s difficult to see how the EU can compromise on this without throwing away the GFA, which was agree with the people of both NI and the Republic.

It’s a conundrum.

I’m struck by the fact that Brexit is now just something painful to get done - nobody is even pretending anymore that there are any advantages to Brexit

[towny44]

I’m struck by the fact that Brexit is now just something painful to get done - nobody is even pretending anymore that there are any advantages to Brexit

Not with me Gill, I still believe that we need to leave the EU and that it will be beneficial. I also think that if there were a 2nd referendum the result would be an even bigger majority to leave. Unless of course the leave option was the Corbyn cock up.

[Mervyn and Trish]

I disagree with the last line Gill. I never pretended or believed Brexit would be easy. The benefits once it is done are for me the same as they ever were.

I'm not at all happy with the constant cosh of the GFA. It was, at the end of the day, done to appease terrorists. I have no problem with the benefits of an open border for the two parts of the Irish island. But let's not forget the Republic of Ireland is another sovereign country. Northern Ireland is a province of the UK. While we must respect their views the GFA cannot be used as a reason that the UK can never leave the EU. Which is the case if they are allowed to veto every option for leaving, remembering that no deal screws the GFA too.

[barney]

A poll yesterday in Germany showed that well over half of Germans asked said that they don't think brexit will ever happen.

[Manoverboard]

Wishful thinking whilst thinking about the stability of their own industries …. or they underestimate us Brits ( again ).

[Mervyn and Trish]

Further to my comment above. Irish reaction is they don't like Boris's new plan because, they say, terrorists will use it as an excuse to up their activities. As of course they would no deal, with a real border in Ireland erected by the EU. So as far as they're concerned we either accept the backstop, effectively distancing NI from the UK, or forget Brexit. The former is of course exactly what the Republicans want. So as I said, a separate sovereign country dictating to us in the interests of furthering their own agenda and appeasing terrorists. Another nail in the EU coffin for me.

[barney]

I'd say it's a classic example of be careful what you wish for Merv.

I'd be quite happy for a referendum in all of Ireland to determine whether NI remains part of the UK or in a unified Ireland.
That is democracy in action.
Should the majority in NI wish unity with the South, it saves us a lot of problems and a lot of money.
Should Scotland wish, by majority, to plough their own furrow, then fine by me.

I wouldn't want any country remaining in the UK under duress.

Any citizen of NI or Scotland would be welcome in England, should they choose to come, as are the Irish.

Just because a situation is long established, that doesn't necessarily mean that it should continue for ever.

Times change. People change.
If these small nations think that will be better off in the EU, then good luck to them.
Brexit is basically an English issue anyway.

While we are at it, I'm quite sure that they would welcome any English people who also wish to remain in the EU.
Win/win for everyone.

[Stephen]

Typical Corbyn, poo pooing everything.

[towny44]

I have been very impressed with Boris Johnson's conciliatory tone in parliament today, far removed from the bolshevik bluster from the labour leader.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Typical Corbyn, poo pooing everything.

And the EU. They think another delay is inevitable. Despite no deal remaining the legal default. What is the point of a further delay?

[Stephen]

I have been very impressed with Boris Johnson's conciliatory tone in parliament today, far removed from the bolshevik bluster from the labour leader.

I agree.

I liked the way Boris shot our Scottish MP friend down in flames with, 'if you want to get rid of me let's have a general election'...........It's all gone quiet over there. And why, because they know they would stand a chance.

[david63]

What is the point of a further delay?

The EU keep taking our money!

[Mervyn and Trish]

Maybe that's Boris's tactic. Ask them for an extension but tell them we're stopping paying from 31st October anyway!

[Mervyn and Trish]

I have been very impressed with Boris Johnson's conciliatory tone in parliament today, far removed from the bolshevik bluster from the labour leader.

I agree.

I liked the way Boris shot our Scottish MP friend down in flames with, 'if you want to get rid of me let's have a general election'...........It's all gone quiet over there. And why, because they know they would stand a chance.

Of course if the Scots want independence there's another border issue! Especially if they want independence and to stay in the EU. Do you think Mrs Krankie has thought this through, beyond wanting to be crowned Queen of Scotland?

[towny44]

I have been very impressed with Boris Johnson's conciliatory tone in parliament today, far removed from the bolshevik bluster from the labour leader.

I agree.

I liked the way Boris shot our Scottish MP friend down in flames with, 'if you want to get rid of me let's have a general election'...........It's all gone quiet over there. And why, because they know they would stand a chance.

Of course if the Scots want independence there's another border issue! Especially if they want independence and to stay in the EU. Do you think Mrs Krankie has thought this through, beyond wanting to be crowned Queen of Scotland?

The Scots don't have a GFA, unless Krankie intends having a Bannockburn restoration deal.

[barney]

Typical Corbyn, poo pooing everything.

And the EU. They think another delay is inevitable. Despite no deal remaining the legal default. What is the point of a further delay?

The point of further delay is that every day the UK remains in the EU, there is a chance that the whole thing can be called off.

Once we have left, that is dead and all that remains is for a political party to campaign to re-join.

What will put all of this to bed once and for all is IF the Tories can win an overall majority in the general election.

All the Benn (Surrender) Act has done is kick the can a little further down the road.
One of the most worrying pieces of that legislation is that it gives the EU absolute authority to determine the length of any extension that they grant.
They may well suggest an extension of one year or even longer, which will give the anti Brexit side even more time to galvanise and overturn the democratic result.

I'm still trying to find out how the EU Commission can operate without a member state putting up a nomination for the Commission.
There is no precedent because normally folk are rushing to board this gravy train.

For the first time ever, two of the commission candidates have been rejected by the EU parliament due to dodgy backgrounds and now it looks like Macron's chum may well be rejected as well.
She has a well dodgy past where money is concerned and has been accused of using her EU staff for internal politics as well.
It appears that the Parliament has grown a pair after all these years.
Ironically, the Commission Chief on Tax and Economic affairs is an ex Italian PM.
Like Italy really knows how to run economic affairs.

[Ray Scully]

DETAIL OF proposed Irish Border arrangement

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[barney]

That's not even mildly amusing.
You usually do better.
Time to up your game if you want to match Johnson on the joke stakes

[oldbluefox]

Good one Ray, but not as good as Boris!!! Can't help looking at Bercow without thinking of him in the jungle.

[Ray Scully]

That's not even mildly amusing.
You usually do better.
Time to up your game if you want to match Johnson on the joke stakes

Well thanks for your lack of appreciation Barney. So one most probably script writer joke from BOJO, TRUMP my months of toil

[Stephen]

DETAIL OF proposed Irish Border arrangement



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