Brexit

[Mervyn and Trish]

Well on the issue of language, interesting to see EU chiefs describing Brexiteers as "traitors".

That makes "Surrender Act" look quite mild to me.

[towny44]

Well on the issue of language, interesting to see EU chiefs describing Brexiteers as "traitors".

That makes "Surrender Act" look quite mild to me.

Presumably traitors to the grandiose United States of Europe scheme that they all seem to dream about in Brussels. That would of course make them loyal UK Patriots and freedom fighters.

[Mervyn and Trish]

As I read it traitors to the UK for leaving such a wonderful organisation

[Mervyn and Trish]

Not that the EU is engaging in the blame game by making such pronouncements of course.

[Stephen]

I think she got the message.

[barney]

All is not well in La La Land
https://www.politico.eu/article/frances ... arliament/

It seems the chickens are coming home to roost after many years of noses in the trough.

Macron's selection is the latest and third commission candidate rejected by the MEP sub committee due to a dubious past.

This is the first time that the EU Parliament has had any involvement.

Like to bet it's the last ?

[Stephen]

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[Manoverboard]

Progress towards a leaving ' Deal ' seems to be being made ….UK and EU talks to intensify

[david63]

Progress towards a leaving ' Deal ' seems to be being made

Are you possibly suggesting that there might be an "11th hour deal"?

Didn't somebody mention way back that that could be a likely outcome?

[barney]

Progress towards a leaving ' Deal ' seems to be being made

Are you possibly suggesting that there might be an "11th hour deal"?

Didn't somebody mention way back that that could be a likely outcome?

Yeah.
You are right David.
I think it was Merv

[Manoverboard]

Pi** off Barney …. you know darn well it was Foxy

[oldbluefox]

Nah........ I think it was barney!!!

Beginning to sound like the clown outside Westminster has been wasting his breath.Volunteers sought to dispose of his megaphone in an appropriate manner.
Unused parachutes from that cliff edge we were going to fall over will be going cheap.

[towny44]

Don't celebrate too soon Foxy it's not a done deal yet, and even if the EU do agree to something it's still got to be voted through our parliament, and that seems even more unlikely

[Mervyn and Trish]

That would be ironic wouldn't it, if Boris brings back a deal and the MPs who are desperate to avoid a No Deal vote it down.

They might be forced to finally admit what they really want.

[oldbluefox]

Don't celebrate too soon Foxy it's not a done deal yet, and even if the EU do agree to something it's still got to be voted through our parliament, and that seems even more unlikely

After three years of arrogant nonsense from our Remainer friends, countless excuses and trying every trick in the book to overturn the result nobody will be more pleased than I when we leave the EU. They are still proclaiming we did not know what we voted for. I presume from that the Remainers did know - they knew which direction the EU would take in the future, they knew how much our contributions would be, they knew what PMs in the future would agree to and the electorate would have no say in the matter. True to say when I voted to join the Common Market I didn't know what I was voting for. I didn't know I was signing up to the EU as we know it today, that Major would sign up to the Maastricht Treaty or Blair would pull a fast one by signing the Lisbon Treaty. So much for the fable that is 'UK have a veto'.
Go for it Bojo!!!

[towny44]

I think he might just get an agreement that is acceptable to the EU, but I think he is going to have to concede far too much for the DUP to support it, and therefore the hard core ERG, and unless Jeremy does a 180 there's no way enough Labour MPs are going to break ranks to get it through parliament. I wonder where that will leave us. because presumably the combined opposition are still going to demand that Boris sends the Benn letter.

[Stephen]

Just leave.

[oldbluefox]

I think if Boris comes up with an agreement which does not lock us into the EU via a backstop the DUP would support it, as would the ERG, most of the defranchised Tories and a smattering of Labour rebels. It could well get through.

[Mervyn and Trish]

I think if he comes back with a half decent deal there's plenty will vote for it, 1 to get it over with (well this phase anyway) and 2 to remove any chance of Jezzer getting into power to trash the country.

[david63]

going to demand that Boris sends the Benn letter.

But sending the letter only means that he is complying with the badly conceived law - it still does not stop us leaving without a deal on 31st October.

[towny44]

going to demand that Boris sends the Benn letter.

But sending the letter only means that he is complying with the badly conceived law - it still does not stop us leaving without a deal on 31st October.

Much as I would love to see the back of the EU I really don't want to leave without a deal. I do feel that we would eventually recover and in the long term may enjoy a significant benefit, but it would be far better to exit on reasonable terms with all the beneficial joint participation arrangements intact and fully operational, and hopefully able to remain so once a final trade deal is agreed.

[Gill W]

going to demand that Boris sends the Benn letter.

But sending the letter only means that he is complying with the badly conceived law - it still does not stop us leaving without a deal on 31st October.

I believe the Benn Act requires a letter to be written asking for a three month extension and if the EU grants a three month extension the terms of the Act state that it must be accepted.

If the EU decide that they want to offer an extension of a different length, then acceptance would be subject to a vote in parliament.

Whilst it doesn't completely stop a no deal exit, the Act greatly reduces the chances of this happening. Which is what it's designed to do.

[Manoverboard]

The EU Countries as a whole may not agree to the extension … stands to reason, the odds of them all agreeing are far too high.

ps … we leave on the 31st in such a scenario

[Ray Scully]

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[david63]

Well it looks as if Boris has only gone and done it - all that remains is to get it through Parliament and that does not look like a foregone conclusion.

Both Corbyn and Swinson have rejected it saying it is worse that the previous deal and that is before they even know the details. DUP are not happy either