Brexit

[oldbluefox]

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[Frank Manning]

I don't trust Johnson either. Then again I don't trust any of them any more, it is just that he in particular has shown himself to be an arch charlatan in so many ways.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Anyone who thinks Berko is impartial just needs to see the comment in the totally neutral Mirror! "Bravo Bercow". Says it all.

[oldbluefox]

Bercow moving out cannot come quickly enough and apart from his 'impartiality' ( )we will be rid of those irritating noises he manages to produce.

Let the people decide via a General Election. There are a good many MPs who know now their electorates will vote them out and so they follow their own ideals irrespective of how their constituents voted. Let's have a new Government and a new Parliament and move on.

[oldbluefox]

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I can't believe I would ever agree with McDonnell. Let's have a General Election and unlike our Remainer friends I would accept the outcome.

[barney]

I think that if parliament vote against the government tonight, Johnson will pull the bill rather than let it go on with amendments.
The clock will tick on to the 31st and then there will be no excuse for not having a general election.
As this forums resident lefty, I'm dismayed that the Labour Party policy is all devised around the assumption that they will lose the next election.

[Manoverboard]

If Boris pulls it and there is an election then Boris 'n' Nige will wipe out the Trotskis …. just saying

[Ray Scully]

If Boris pulls it and there is an election then Boris 'n' Nige will wipe out the Trotskis …. just saying

[Stephen]

Bercow moving out cannot come quickly enough and apart from his 'impartiality' ( )we will be rid of those irritating noises he manages to produce.

Let the people decide via a General Election. There are a good many MPs who know now their electorates will vote them out and so they follow their own ideals irrespective of how their constituents voted. Let's have a new Government and a new Parliament and move on.

I agree. Why does he do that, the irritating little sh*t.

[screwy]

Boris says he will withdraw the withdrawal bill and call a general election,bingo.

[Ray Scully]

Boris says he will withdraw the withdrawal bill and call a general election,bingo.

Couldn't the Parliament Act get in the way?
if a motion of no confidence is passed and no alternative government is confirmed by the Commons within 14 days.

[screwy]

Well,knowing this bunch of Bankers they will do everything to stop anything.

[towny44]

Boris got them to agree his bill but not his timetable, seems he is now waiting for what the EU do about his Benn letter.

[david63]

The argument about the timetable is, I believe, that there is insufficient time to study it. Now correct me if I'm wrong here but 90+% of it is the same as pre the "Boris" deal that they have had the best part of 12 months to study and spent days arguing to death!

If I was to be a cynic I would be of the opinion that there are some who are trying to delay, or even railroad, Brexit!

[towny44]

The argument about the timetable is, I believe, that there is insufficient time to study it. Now correct me if I'm wrong here but 90+% of it is the same as pre the "Boris" deal that they have had the best part of 12 months to study and spent days arguing to death!

If I was to be a cynic I would be of the opinion that there are some who are trying to delay, or even railroad, Brexit!

We know they are, but their argument is that what they do down there is important which is why they need the extra time. However since all they have talked about for the last 39 months is Brexit and during that time the UK economy has outperformed all the others in Europe one has to consider if it might not be worthwhile continuing to operate without them altogether; or maybe they could just convene at 12:00pm every Wednesday to keep the ROW entertained?

[Gill W]

As the MP said, he took longer than 3 days to choose a sofa.

Not sure why anybody would think it’s ok to rush through such a complex bill in three days, when it’s the future of the country at stake.

No need for Johnson to halt the bill either. The process can still carry on. Personally I think he’s halted it, because he knows MPs will table amendment after amendment, and with his track record of votes, he’d lose nearly all of them.

The noises coming from Tusk this evening indicate the EU are amenable to a three month extension, and under the terms of the Benn Act, Johnson would have to accept.

So very unlikely we will now leave on 31st October. This date appears to have become some sort of talisman.

[Gill W]

Boris got them to agree his bill but not his timetable, seems he is now waiting for what the EU do about his Benn letter.

It passed the second reading.

[Stephen]

They've had three years to make up their minds what would be acceptable. And there is always an obstruction of some sort.

I hope there's a general election. The Consevatives will walk it and show the rest of the parties, mainly Labour, for what they really are. A complete waste of space (polite version).

[david63]

Listening to Parliament Today last night IDS pointed out that the Bill had already had over 100 hours discussion in the committee stage. And that nice Mr Corbyn wants more time so that amendments can be made - which bit of this is the deal take it or leave it has he missed?

And then there were others bleating on that it takes time to scrutinise the Bill - isn't that why most (all?) MPs have researchers (paid for by the taxpayer I might add) to do the "leg work" for them?

I despair - roll on General Election I say, although I suspect taxation will have to up in order to pay the unemployment benefit for all the ex MPs on the dole

[Manoverboard]

There are, I understand, 100 new else revised pages to read which is 20%-ish of the grand total. This being the case it is reasonable to say that sufficient time is required to study this content.

That is not a problem and the 31st of October has no relevance for me …. however … the blockers are aiming to scrutinise the content purely to be able to come up with a truckload of amendments and problems. Ken Clarke made it clear on Breakfast TV that he accepts the vote to ' Leave ' but his aim now is to ensure that we remain in the Custom Union to avoid border issues for Northern Ireland.

Thanks Ken, bye the bye the 17,400,000 of us didn't vote ' Leave ' to remain locked in to the EU.

[barney]

Once again, it's yet another red herring.
The Remainists policy is to continue kicking it down the road for as long as possible in the vain hope that at some time, the decision will be over turned.
Any excuse would do.

All the time that we remain in, they continue to have hope.

While we are in the transition period, they will continue to try and get the result of the referendum revoked.
It's only after the UK has actually left and negotiated a trade deal that the minority who have refused to accept the result will concede.

It will be interesting to see how folk vote in the next Election.

If, as the Libdems say, they represent the majority, then we will have a Libdem government and the Bill will be revoked.

Don't hold your breath.

[Gill W]

Johnson’s the one currently holding up the process.

It’s him who called a halt last night

[towny44]

Johnson’s the one currently holding up the process.

It’s him who called a halt last night

Gill, you know that is untrue, or at least only half the truth. Boris has my support in trying to achieve a deal that leaves us outside the EU, hopefully with a good trade deal with them, and not subject to EU rules or the ECJ, and able to strike independent trade deals.
The Libdems, SNP and Labour, plus a rag tag bunch of others either want us to remain in the EU, or in a customs union that is effectively the same, and they will put road blocks in the way of Boris, or anyone else achieving what the vast majority of the 17.4m voted for.
In those circumstances, and without a working majority, any govt. would be trying its best to have a general election in order to try and resolve the current deadlock.

[barney]

The reason that Johnson halted the proceedings is because the Remainists want to attach amendments to it, thus changing the essence of the Bill.
They know full well that if the Bill is significantly changed, then the PM would have to reopen talks with the EU to almost start again.

For all of his many many faults, Johnson is certainly no idiot and won't fall for that.

It's nothing to do with scrutiny, it's all to do with stopping brexit.

At least the Libdems are honest about it.

[Gill W]

The reason that Johnson halted the proceedings is because the Remainists want to attach amendments to it, thus changing the essence of the Bill.
They know full well that if the Bill is significantly changed, then the PM would have to reopen talks with the EU to almost start again.

For all of his many many faults, Johnson is certainly no idiot and won't fall for that.

It's nothing to do with scrutiny, it's all to do with stopping brexit.

At least the Libdems are honest about it.

If you looked at my post from last night, I already said that Johnson halted the bill to stop MP’s amending it.

It’s almost as if he wanted this scenario...... if the timetabling motion had passed, MP’s would have been tabling amendments today.

It doesn’t change what I said this morning though, Johnson is currently the one delaying the process.