Brexit

[barney]

Yeah. Of course he is Gill.

[Stephen]

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[oldbluefox]

Johnson is playing the same tactical game as the others. They are delaying the process by any means they can and have been ever since the results of the 2016 vote were announced. May made a proper hash up of the General Election she called and caused major problems for the government in power. As it stands Boris is now playing the opposition at their own game. He knows it, they know it and the electorate know it.
For all their bluff and bluster about 'doing what is right for the country' this is nothing to do with Brexit now but about power. I imagine business must be totally hacked off with the uncertainty they are creating by blocking Brexit at every turn and kicking the can further down the road. I have even heard it said that the longer it goes on the more young people they can brainwash persuade to their way of thinking and the more older people will have died. What a tacky argument (but then they will use any means they can think of to try and overturn Brexit, even to the point of employing a clown with a load of flags and a megaphone!!!)
Let's have a People's Vote in the form of a General Election and from that we will see what the appetite of the nation is. I feel sure the likes of Soubry and Grieve will be relishing the thought as they hang on to their seats.

[barney]

Now, that will be interesting, won't it.
Chukka (my people love me) has already announced that he will not be standing in Streatham again but in Westminster where the Libdems think he will have a better chance.
Given that he has nothing in common with the Libdems except for Brexit, it will be interesting.
Apparently 51 MPs have switched party but not a single one has stood in a by-election.

[oldbluefox]

Call a General Election. Drain the swamp. Let the people decide.

If the Tories are canny and form a pact with Nigel, especially in the North where it is doubtful they would vote Tory but feel betrayed by the Labour party............... Now that would be interesting.

[Mervyn and Trish]

A number of points strike me.

First, there is no point in MPs amending Boris's bill for any reason other than to obstruct or delay Brexit. If the amendments change the draft agreed with the EU significantly we're back to square one - again. If they don't, why bother?

There's only one change that the EU might consider and that is to stay fully in a Customs Union. And that simply would not be leaving the EU. In fact it would be worse than remaining in the EU. It would mean accepting EU trade deals with third parties, with no involvement with the negotiations, obeying EU rules with no say in them, and not being able to do our own trade deals. We would continue to have our future subject to the veto of countries the size of Coventry! The only plus is it would scupper McDonnell's plans to trash our industry because they'd break EU rules.

Remainers please consider - if we do leave and are able to start doing our own deals but decide to give Coventry a veto will that seem acceptable? If not, maybe you can see why the idea of staying fully in the Customs Union stinks.

No the only answer now is a General Election. Let's see the Tories stand on a pledge to implement Boris's deal, with any candidate unwilling to sign up to that deselected. Let's see Labour stand on another referendum - assuming they can agree any policy. And Lib Dems stand on a policy of scrapping Brexit. The SNP can stand on crowning Mrs Krankie Queen of Scotland since that is the only thing she really wants. That would be pretty clear to me. Hopefully the result would give the country some direction and we can get it done before the end of next year.

Meanwhile my policy of buying my IDP seems to have ensured, as I suspected it would, that my money would be wasted and we'll still be in the EU for our next holiday!

[Stephen]

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[Onelife]

Johnson is playing the same tactical game as the others. They are delaying the process by any means they can and have been ever since the results of the 2016 vote were announced. May made a proper hash up of the General Election she called and caused major problems for the government in power. As it stands Boris is now playing the opposition at their own game. He knows it, they know it and the electorate know it.
For all their bluff and bluster about 'doing what is right for the country' this is nothing to do with Brexit now but about power. I imagine business must be totally hacked off with the uncertainty they are creating by blocking Brexit at every turn and kicking the can further down the road. I have even heard it said that the longer it goes on the more young people they can brainwash persuade to their way of thinking and the more older people will have died. What a tacky argument (but then they will use any means they can think of to try and overturn Brexit, even to the point of employing a clown with a load of flags and a megaphone!!!)
Let's have a People's Vote in the form of a General Election and from that we will see what the appetite of the nation is. I feel sure the likes of Soubry and Grieve will be relishing the thought as they hang on to their seats.

ell said Foxy.

You are absolutely correct in all that you say even to the point that my good friend Theresa was "badly advised" in calling for a general election when she did.

The remainer camp say they need more time to scrutinise the withdrawal bill, they also say the present bill mirrors much of what was in Theresa's bill, this being the case then surely any responsible MP will have already got their heads around what was in Theresa's Bill leaving them ample time to scrutinise/debate the remainder of this bill.

Sadly I have to agree with you in that there is no point in keep pushing this further down the road as it is patiently clear party politics has used a divided nation to further its own political interests.

[Mervyn and Trish]

The remainer camp say they need more time to scrutinise the withdrawal bill, they also say the present bill mirrors much of what was in Theresa's bill, this being the case then surely any responsible MP will have already got their heads around what was in Theresa's Bill leaving them ample time to scrutinise/debate the remainder of this bill.

Yes of course they carefully considered TM's bill.

Oh no hang on. I remember Jezzer saying they'd vote against it whatever deal she brought back, even before he'd seen it. So maybe they didn't bother to read it.

[Manoverboard]

Why should he … the Trade Union leaders will doubtless tell him everything he needs to know.

[oldbluefox]

It is clear that whatever deal was on the table the Labour party would turn it down, the LibDems would and the SNP would as by now, for their own particular reasons they are all Remainer parties, along with the Green MP and Mrs Plaid Cymru who says anything the SNP tell her to say. And Anna Soubry!
If Scotland did get independence I wouldn't be too sorry to see the back of that bag of wind, Blackford (a Vic Pile character if ever there was one who gets up your nose and is a pain in the backside!) along with the rest of their ilk. I can't believe Scottish voters are happy with their antics in Westminster.
Parliament desperately needs a shake up, for good or for ill.

[Onelife]

The remainer camp say they need more time to scrutinise the withdrawal bill, they also say the present bill mirrors much of what was in Theresa's bill, this being the case then surely any responsible MP will have already got their heads around what was in Theresa's Bill leaving them ample time to scrutinise/debate the remainder of this bill.

Yes of course they carefully considered TM's bill.

Oh no hang on. I remember Jezzer saying they'd vote against it whatever deal she brought back, even before he'd seen it. So maybe they didn't bother to read it.

Having listened to many remainer MP's repetitive arguments you do wonder if they would have the intellect to understand it anyway.

[barney]

The remainer camp say they need more time to scrutinise the withdrawal bill, they also say the present bill mirrors much of what was in Theresa's bill, this being the case then surely any responsible MP will have already got their heads around what was in Theresa's Bill leaving them ample time to scrutinise/debate the remainder of this bill.

Yes of course they carefully considered TM's bill.

Oh no hang on. I remember Jezzer saying they'd vote against it whatever deal she brought back, even before he'd seen it. So maybe they didn't bother to read it.

Having listened to many remainer MP's repetitive arguments you do wonder if they would have the intellect to understand it anyway.

They don't appear to be the sharpest pencils in the box, do they.
Many MPs are clinging on to their jobs by their finger tips which explains why many are not happy to have a general election.

One thing that this fiasco has exposed is the very limited interlect of many of our elected representatives.
How they will hold down a job in the real world mystifies me.

[david63]

How they will hold down a job in the real world mystifies me.

And certainly not on the salary (and "perks") that they are getting now.

[towny44]

How they will hold down a job in the real world mystifies me.

And certainly not on the salary (and "perks") that they are getting now.

Which is why they don't want to leave the EU and lose 73 MEP jobs plus all the other Jobs and perks that the EU gives out to UK nationals.

[Mervyn and Trish]

For something which is so vital to our country that it can't be dealt with in two or three days I was appalled how few were actually in the House for most of the debate on Saturday. If they got off their bottoms and started at 9 am, only broke for ten mins for coffee/tea in the morning, an hour for lunch and ten mins in the afternoon, like most workers do (if they're lucky!) they might get something done. Let's lock the bu**ers in till they sort it.

But of course they don't need to be in the House to hear the debate because they already know how they're going to vote. They might as well all have postal votes to save the cost of travelling from their constituencies.

[david63]

They might as well all have postal votes to save the cost of travelling from their constituencies.

What is even worse is that I was reading over the weekend that a member (cannot recall his name) of the Labour Party National Executive was insisting that any Labour MP who voted for Boris's deal would be deselected and have the whip withdrawn.

Now whether I agree with the way many members are voting or not there is no way that any MP of any party should be put in that position and just goes to emphasise the problems with party politics. If that is the way it is going then all you really need is one member for each party making all the decisions.

[Stephen]

Something to lighten the mood


Monty Python's pure genius applied to the modern day

[johnds]

What is even worse is that I was reading over the weekend that a member (cannot recall his name) of the Labour Party National Executive was insisting that any Labour MP who voted for Boris's deal would be deselected and have the whip withdrawn.

I believe that was John Lansman - leader of Momentum

[oldbluefox]

Boris has now said he will give more time to discuss the Brexit deal if they grant a General Election on December 12th.
Over to you Jewemy. Seemingly the SNP are keen to go to the polls.

[barney]

Had to chuckle at Vicky Youngs interview with Soubry.
Anna protested that they needed more time and Vicky said it doesn't really matter does it because you would never vote for it anyway.
Classic.

[Ray Scully]

Boris has now said he will give more time to discuss the Brexit deal if they grant a General Election on December 12th.
Over to you Jewemy. Seemingly the SNP are keen to go to the polls.

Just muddying the waters, get the deal through, and, IMHO that will be the time for the GE

[Gill W]

I think it’s another dead cat.

Johnson said we’d be leaving on 31st October, ‘do or die’.

We clearly aren’t leaving on the 31st - but he’s hoping everyone will start talking about elections and forget what he said about the 31st

[oldbluefox]

They also said he couldn't get a deal...............
Bring on a General Election and a chance to drain the swamp.

[barney]

Boris has now said he will give more time to discuss the Brexit deal if they grant a General Election on December 12th.
Over to you Jewemy. Seemingly the SNP are keen to go to the polls.

Just muddying the waters, get the deal through, and, IMHO that will be the time for the GE

You know as well as I do that parliament will not pass the agreement without modifications and amendments.
Any amendment would mean taking it back to the EU to reopen negotiations..

It's all about kicking it further down the road.
Only a different parliament can break the impasse.

Your lot are now starting to get quite desperate.
Any tactic to prevent democracy.
What a shame our Parliament has become.
The day of reckoning is coming.
Many current MPs will be signing on.