Brexit

[towny44]

And if/when it all turns out for the better I wonder how many of our Remainer friends will turn around and say 'You were right and we were wrong' and apologise? I don't hold my breath.
Looks like Jack Staff's predictions went down the swanee last night, along with the hopes of Soubry, Greave and Wollaston et al.

If it’s not a debacle and we thrive and prosper I would be more than happy to put my hand up.

If it goes the other way, how many of of our Leaver friends would turn around and say ‘you were right and we were wrong’ and apologise? Any of you like to comment on that one?

Also in the spirit of moving on - can we now stop referring to each other as leave and remain?

Finally, I don’t think it’s fair to bring Jack into it, as he’s not here to respond

Gill, it will be virtually impossible for anyone to know for certain whether the economic outcome of being outside the EU has been worse than staying in. There are far more outside influences that impact on the economy than the mere fact of our membership of one trading block or another.
However I am fairly certain that greater minds than ours will already be planning to dissect every bit of economic news to try and persuade us that we made the right or wrong decision, depending on their own political standpoint, and this will still leave us all on one side or the other, again depending on our viewpoint.
So much as I would like to see the light at the end of the tunnel, I doubt that we will ever know whether we leavers made the right choice. But can I make just one final plea for remain voters to stop telling us "That no one voted to be poorer", because the remain camp's main plank of their campaign was that staying in the EU would be far better for our economy, ergo those of us who voted leave knew full well the risks we were taking, and yet we still voted to leave.

[Manoverboard]

The lesson the ' saboteurs ' of old needed to learn was that they could not walk over the wishes of the majority in a referendum nor to poo poo the ' will of the people ' as a couple on here repeatedly did. That, for me, was unacceptable and totally mis-guided.

However that is now all in the past as far as I am concerned but I am not going to welcome repeated attempts to pour cold water and / or scorn over every minor set back during the trade negotiation stages. That difficult task has to run it's course and there is nothing we can collectively do to revise it one way or another simply because it doesn't seem fair or sit squarely with anybody's personal preference.

ps … let's get Brexit done

[david63]

ps … let's get Brexit done

... it's oven ready!!

[oldbluefox]

I concur with my learned friend Mob. It will now need time whilst negotiations on trade deals and customs arrangements are worked out. It is not going to happen overnight and it will not always be a smooth ride. We will not always get exactly what each of us wants but we will be able to determine our own future away from the grasp of Brussels.
Any talk of it not being fair, lies, illegal etc are now in the past as are all the predictions of doom and gloom put out by the Remainers. Whether our Remainer friends like it or not we are now leaving as determined by the 2016 referendum. Those MPs who thought they could override the decision have been ditched by the very people who voted for and trusted them to deliver Brexit only to find they did their level best to thwart it at every opportunity.
Now they have been culled by The People's Vote they all marched for it is time to move on. Boris, you played a blinder!!!

[david63]

One thing is for sure and that is that this election has served as a salutary reminder to all current, and future, MPs that there are consequences attached to going against the will of the people - and that may be something that Ms Sturgeon should reflect on before embarking down the Indyref2 route.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Seems fair to drop the terms leavers and remainers, on the grounds we are now all going to be leavers!

[Gill W]

And if/when it all turns out for the better I wonder how many of our Remainer friends will turn around and say 'You were right and we were wrong' and apologise? I don't hold my breath.
Looks like Jack Staff's predictions went down the swanee last night, along with the hopes of Soubry, Greave and Wollaston et al.

If it’s not a debacle and we thrive and prosper I would be more than happy to put my hand up.

If it goes the other way, how many of of our Leaver friends would turn around and say ‘you were right and we were wrong’ and apologise? Any of you like to comment on that one?

Also in the spirit of moving on - can we now stop referring to each other as leave and remain?

Finally, I don’t think it’s fair to bring Jack into it, as he’s not here to respond

Gill, it will be virtually impossible for anyone to know for certain whether the economic outcome of being outside the EU has been worse than staying in. There are far more outside influences that impact on the economy than the mere fact of our membership of one trading block or another.
However I am fairly certain that greater minds than ours will already be planning to dissect every bit of economic news to try and persuade us that we made the right or wrong decision, depending on their own political standpoint, and this will still leave us all on one side or the other, again depending on our viewpoint.
So much as I would like to see the light at the end of the tunnel, I doubt that we will ever know whether we leavers made the right choice. But can I make just one final plea for remain voters to stop telling us "That no one voted to be poorer", because the remain camp's main plank of their campaign was that staying in the EU would be far better for our economy, ergo those of us who voted leave knew full well the risks we were taking, and yet we still voted to leave.

I've done a forum search on the term 'no one voted to be poorer', and apart from a conversation with Jack Staff last year, the only person who keeps mentioning it is you. Just let it go, and you'll never have to hear it on the forum again

[Gill W]

Ok I'm ready to go along with the halt on personal remarks. But it has to be both ways. And we have to stop talking about lies, illegal campaigns and all that stuff in the past too. And stop guessing what might happen because we've been pretty hopeless in the past. Let's just concentrate on facts. And get behind Boris to get the best possible deal he can.

As for those demonstrating against the result. 1. Did you bother to vote? 2. Do you understand how elections work?

Yesterday, I did mention leave EU campaign breaking the rules. I hesitated to do so, but somebody else had dragged up ancient history, directed at me personally and what he said about me was incorrect. I felt I had to respond, and as it related to the past, it was difficult to respond without mentioning the past! If we are genuine about wanting to move on, then dwelling on the past needs to stop.

Seems fair to drop the terms leavers and remainers, on the grounds we are now all going to be leavers!

Yes, constant references to Remainers and Leavers is another thing that can go in the bin as far as I'm concerned. Along with several other phrases that have been used even in peoples most recent posts. I understand that talking in a certain way is habit forming, but in order to build trust, we have to discard the divisive language of the last 4 years.

[screwy]

About this time last year i proposed a cease fire for Christmas. Now as we all know nothing is going to happen till the 31st January so there really is nothing to discuss, lets stop the 'tit for tat comments' and all have a lovely Christmas and New Year. Thank you.

[Mervyn and Trish]

About this time last year i proposed a cease fire for Christmas. Now as we all know nothing is going to happen till the 31st January so there really is nothing to discuss, lets stop the 'tit for tat comments' and all have a lovely Christmas and New Year. Thank you.

Seconded

[Onelife]

Thirded. ...but then l never entered into such tit for tat comments...so childish

[Manoverboard]

I've done a forum search on the term 'no one voted to be poorer', and apart from a conversation with Jack Staff last year, the only person who keeps mentioning it is you. Just let it go, and you'll never have to hear it on the forum again

My search revealed the phrase within 174 Topics and they were deffo not all raised by Towny … just saying

[Stephen]

I blame Keith

Seasons Greetings Gill

[Onelife]

I've done a forum search on the term 'no one voted to be poorer', and apart from a conversation with Jack Staff last year, the only person who keeps mentioning it is you. Just let it go, and you'll never have to hear it on the forum again

My search revealed the phrase within 174 Topics and they were deffo not all raised by Towny … just saying

I can vouch for that as l know l have mentioned it on a few occasions......and l'm sorry to say things haven't improved either...

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Onelifes cruise appeal...Thank you!

[towny44]

If it’s not a debacle and we thrive and prosper I would be more than happy to put my hand up.

If it goes the other way, how many of of our Leaver friends would turn around and say ‘you were right and we were wrong’ and apologise? Any of you like to comment on that one?

Also in the spirit of moving on - can we now stop referring to each other as leave and remain?

Finally, I don’t think it’s fair to bring Jack into it, as he’s not here to respond

Gill, it will be virtually impossible for anyone to know for certain whether the economic outcome of being outside the EU has been worse than staying in. There are far more outside influences that impact on the economy than the mere fact of our membership of one trading block or another.
However I am fairly certain that greater minds than ours will already be planning to dissect every bit of economic news to try and persuade us that we made the right or wrong decision, depending on their own political standpoint, and this will still leave us all on one side or the other, again depending on our viewpoint.
So much as I would like to see the light at the end of the tunnel, I doubt that we will ever know whether we leavers made the right choice. But can I make just one final plea for remain voters to stop telling us "That no one voted to be poorer", because the remain camp's main plank of their campaign was that staying in the EU would be far better for our economy, ergo those of us who voted leave knew full well the risks we were taking, and yet we still voted to leave.

I've done a forum search on the term 'no one voted to be poorer', and apart from a conversation with Jack Staff last year, the only person who keeps mentioning it is you. Just let it go, and you'll never have to hear it on the forum again

I was inferring to remainers in general and mainly those I see on Daily Politics, including Swansong Swinson, who commented on it during her resignation speech, although I think the topic has been mentioned a few times on here, maybe in a slightly different format.

[Gill W]

Thirded. ...but then l never entered into such tit for tat comments...so childish

Is it possible to fourth something ?

[Gill W]

I blame Keith

Seasons Greetings Gill

Same to you Stephen

[screwy]

Thirded. ...but then l never entered into such tit for tat comments...so childish

Is it possible to fourth something ?

Absolutely,be my guest.

[Manoverboard]

It is also possible to go fourth forth and multiply.

Reminded me of the Scottish footy score …. Forfar Five : East Fife four.

[towny44]

It is also possible to go fourth forth and multiply.

Reminded me of the Scottish footy score …. Forfar Five : East Fife four.

Well Nicola and pals have certainly gone forth and multiplied their votes.

[Manoverboard]

It is also possible to go fourth forth and multiply.

Reminded me of the Scottish footy score …. Forfar Five : East Fife four.

Well Nicola and pals have certainly gone forth and multiplied their votes.

They did very well but I have thus far assumed that their extra seats were ex Labour ones …. so no surprise if so.

[towny44]

It is also possible to go fourth forth and multiply.

Reminded me of the Scottish footy score …. Forfar Five : East Fife four.

Well Nicola and pals have certainly gone forth and multiplied their votes.

They did very well but I have thus far assumed that their extra seats were ex Labour ones …. so no surprise if so.

I think they were taken from all 3 other parties, with about equal from labour and conservative.

[Happydays]

I think they got votes from ex labour seats our conservative MP lost his seat mores the pity. But they didn't get as many seats as predicted nor as many as they had in 2014.
I personally don't know anyone who wants another independence referendum vote we were assured it would be a once in a decade/lifetime so keep to that!! I'm all voted out ha ha.

[towny44]

I think they got votes from ex labour seats our conservative MP lost his seat mores the pity. But they didn't get as many seats as predicted nor as many as they had in 2014.
I personally don't know anyone who wants another independence referendum vote we were assured it would be a once in a decade/lifetime so keep to that!! I'm all voted out ha ha.

Yes that's an interesting point the SNP had 56 westminster MPs after the 2015 GE, strange that the media are not picking up on this.

[david63]

An interesting statistic.

There were approx. 1.2 million votes for the SNP in the 2019 GE, and by Mrs Krankies own admission not all would be in favour of an Indyref. There is a population in Scotland of approx. 5.4 million - so an overwhelming vote for a second Indyref would only apply based on the DA method of calculation.