Next labour leader?

[Onelife]

So who will the opposition leader be?

The bookies have Stir Starmer as favorite with a host of familiar names in the running.

What l can tell you is not to waste your money on Emily Thorn-berry, or Rebecca short- Bailey.

Stir Starmer looks a credible leader but l'm not so sure party members will feel the same.

So we are left with the three fillies.....Angela Rayner, Liz Nandy and Jess Philips, one of which will imo take over the leadership reigns.

I quite like Jess Philips cos her heart is in the right place but l doubt she has the leadership qualities to take them all the way to no 10

Angela Rayner could be there at the finish but she will probably have to settle for a cabinet position.

Liz Nandy would be my idea of a good opposition leader but l won't be backing that up with money.

Who would your choice be ....If any?

[oldbluefox]

I was reading this morning that David Lammy was keen to put himself forward. I would be happy with that especially if backed up by Diane Abbott as Chancellor. It would ensure Labour would never get anywhere near ruining the country ever again.

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[david63]

Whoever is the next Labour leader has an enormous task ahead of them in trying to rebuild the Labour Party. From the reports I have heard and read this will be at least a 12 year job - five years to gain some momentum within the party and claw back some seats and then another five years to get Labour into a position where they might be able to win an election.

I am not sure that there is anyone in the Parliamentary Labour Party up to that task so I suspect that whoever takes over will only be an "interim" leader for five or six years and create a springboard for a future leader.

The ones to watch are those who do not put up for leader this time round and then start positioning themselves for a later time.

There are, in my opinion, some similarities with the predicament that the Conservatives were in after the Brexit referendum.

[oldbluefox]

Personally I think they need to move as far as possible away from their Metropolitan root. Over the past three and a half years the likes of Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott, Starmer< Butler & Co have become toxic. Starmer was meant to be the anti Brexit Minister. a fact which will not have gone unnoticed away from London.
I do like Rebecca Long-Bailey and Lisa Nandy as the more moderate candidates but Labour leader? Not so sure. Whoever gets it has a mammoth job of building credibility and trust in the party.
I wonder if Chuka Umunna now regrets throwing his toys out of the pram?

[david63]

I wonder if Chuka Umunna now regrets throwing his toys out of the pram?

I doubt it - he could not take the pressure last time and I doubt anything has changed

[towny44]

I always think Lisa Nandy talks a lot of sense, but Rebecca L-B is too close to Corbyn and the idiotic momentum ideas for my taste, and Keir Starmer is way two faced.

[Stephen]

My money's on Stir Fry

[Gill W]

I think Keir Starmer has the gravitas to take on Johnson at the dispatch box - That would be interesting viewing.

I also like Jess Phillips. She is forthright, and I think is somebody who genuinely wants to help people.

I'm not sure if the Labour membership has yet realised they need to move away from far left types, in order to appeal to a broader range of people.

[Mervyn and Trish]

I'm not sure if the Labour membership has yet realised they need to move away from far left types, in order to appeal to a broader range of people.

Yes that is the crunch. There will always be hard left voters and hard right voters who never waver. But the majority are in the centre and those are the ones you need to win. I was gobsmacked to hear McDonnell denying Labour had swung hard left and claiming they were centre left. And that was after the electorate had rejected his ideas.

And now I see we have "not my Prime Minister" demos. Do these cretins not understand how elections work?

[Onelife]

If David Militant were ever to make a return to front line politics he would be there best their best chance of restoring some credibility to the party. That being said l think David is right in that the time to take leadership of the labour party will be when the caretaker leader has cleared out all the rubbish.

I always liked Gesela Stuart but she saw the writing on the wall and got out.

[Onelife]

I'm not sure if the Labour membership has yet realised they need to move away from far left types, in order to appeal to a broader range of people.

Yes that is the crunch. There will always be hard left voters and hard right voters who never waver. But the majority are in the centre and those are the ones you need to win. I was gobsmacked to hear McDonnell denying Labour had swung hard left and claiming they were centre left. And that was after the electorate had rejected his ideas.

And now I see we have "not my Prime Minister" demos. Do these cretins not understand how elections work?

Corbyn was the front man but Mcdonald was the one pulling his strings.....Dangerous Man is McDonald

[allatc]

The problem that the Labour party has is that it is now controlled by the ultra left Momentum group who are very unlikely to select a centrist candidate.

[Mervyn and Trish]

I wonder how many elections they'll have to.lose before they realise the problem? Of but I forgot. I heard Jezzer or McDonut say their policies were popular. Which explains their excellent result. ......

[oldbluefox]

Lisa Nandy looks to me the one with the least baggage which is probably why she won't stand a chance. Everything is hunky dory in Labour's rainbow coloured world.

[CaroleF]

I usually disagree with everything Alastair Campbell says but I heard an interview with him and he said that for the Labour Hierarchy to say that the result had nothing to do with their policies and nothing to do with Corbyn meant that they were delusional. He said that until they ditched Momentum and moved back to the Centre left they had no hope of winning anything. Did anyone see that character who is the leader of Momentum being interviews - what an idiot! He could do with finding a jacket that fitted him for a start. Deny, deny deny seems to be the order of the day. Any democracy needs a good, functioning opposition, as of now we don't have one.

Carole

[Whynd1]

I dont see how the two London remainers Thornberry and Starmer can move the party forward.

[oldbluefox]

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[Onelife]

I dont see how the two London remainers Thornberry and Starmer can move the party forward.

Neither can l...Thornbury makes me want to reach for the vomit bowl every time she opens her condescending mouth.

[Mervyn and Trish]

I dont see how the two London remainers Thornberry and Starmer can move the party forward.

Neither can l...Thornbury makes me want to reach for the vomit bowl every time she opens her condescending mouth.

Sounds ideal then

[Whynd1]

She's Lady Nugee, isnt she, her husband is a high court judge.
That's sounds about right for an MP from Islington.

[towny44]

Since London accounts for nearly 25% of Labour MPs, then I suppose its only right that their leader should be from London, and of course if he/she is from London its highly likely the party will remain un-electable..............just saying.

[barney]

I think Keir Starmer has the gravitas to take on Johnson at the dispatch box - That would be interesting viewing.

I also like Jess Phillips. She is forthright, and I think is somebody who genuinely wants to help people.

I'm not sure if the Labour membership has yet realised they need to move away from far left types, in order to appeal to a broader range of people.

The new leader simply cannot be anyone who had too much involvement in the discredited remain campaign, which as we now all have to agree was a disaster and hugely out of step with the majority of voters.

Fortunately, the remain campaign has died a death and the stop Brexit man can take his flags and megaphone back to his cave.

As for the next leader, it will be a Corbynista because Momentum will be doing the selection.

[oldbluefox]

She's Lady Nugee, isnt she, her husband is a high court judge.
That's sounds about right for an MP from Islington.

I didn't realise that about the patronising, smug, self congratulating 'lady'. I suppose taking her title doesn't fit in with her Labour ideology. They wouldn't like to be found out as champagne socialists, now would they? For all their bluster when they were last in power the gap between the rich and the poor got wider. It appears that was conveniently swept under the carpet.

[barney]

Oi !!

I'm a champagne socialist

My old father-in-law used to say that I had champagne taste but shandy money

I do agree about Lady Nugee though.
I recall a few years back when visiting a rather unattractive part of the Medway Towns, she commented on a house which was flying the England flag as obviously right wing racists.
She was unaware that the football Euros were on and the chap (white van man) was simply supporting his country.
She had to resign her cabinet job over it.

Lady of the working class my backside.

If I was a Labour member, I'd vote for Lisa Nandy.

[towny44]

Unfortunately Barney it seems most labour members are momentum activists, so unlikely to vote for Nandy, her only hope is if she receives union backing.