Brexit

[barney]

Jack Staff was a figment of our imagination or possibly a nome de plume of an existing regular poster

[Ray B]

Looks like Heseltine has got the lug because of Boris celebrations.

[Gill W]

Jack Staff was a figment of our imagination or possibly a nome de plume of an existing regular poster

As I’ve had contact with him away from this forum, I can confirm he’s a real person.

[Manoverboard]

I recall that Jack advised us of being a poster in a previous life / site …

[towny44]

Jack Staff was a figment of our imagination or possibly a nome de plume of an existing regular poster

As I’ve had contact with him away from this forum, I can confirm he’s a real person.

Maybe you can persuade him to put in a guest appearance this Friday.

[Gill W]

Jack Staff was a figment of our imagination or possibly a nome de plume of an existing regular poster

As I’ve had contact with him away from this forum, I can confirm he’s a real person.

Maybe you can persuade him to put in a guest appearance this Friday.

Why would I do that?

[Mervyn and Trish]

Hey all. As the idiot who set up this thread can I appeal that we don't get back into personal stuff again? I disagreed strongly with Jack and his "everyone else is misguided " (I paraphrase so please don't trouble searching for a precise quote) comments but he is entitled to his view. If he has now decided to withdraw from the thread let's let sleeping dogs lie. Those of us who wanted to leave get a momentous step towards our ambition this week. Let's be satisfied with that and see how the next months go without attacking one another.

[Stephen]

Spoil sport

[Frank Manning]

Thank you Mervyn for a note of sanity and decency. I thought earlier that we were not going to keep on about Brexit? But it seems that British ( dare I say English ?) triumphalism lives. What a pity, if the so called post Bexit 'coming together', should be marred.

[Gill W]

Hey all. As the idiot who set up this thread can I appeal that we don't get back into personal stuff again? I disagreed strongly with Jack and his "everyone else is misguided " (I paraphrase so please don't trouble searching for a precise quote) comments but he is entitled to his view. If he has now decided to withdraw from the thread let's let sleeping dogs lie. Those of us who wanted to leave get a momentous step towards our ambition this week. Let's be satisfied with that and see how the next months go without attacking one another.

Well said, Mervyn.

[Gill W]

Thank you Mervyn for a note of sanity and decency. I thought earlier that we were not going to keep on about Brexit? But it seems that British ( dare I say English ?) triumphalism lives. What a pity, if the so called post Bexit 'coming together', should be marred.

Also well said.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Thank you Mervyn for a note of sanity and decency. I thought earlier that we were not going to keep on about Brexit? But it seems that British ( dare I say English ?) triumphalism lives. What a pity, if the so called post Bexit 'coming together', should be marred.

I think Brexit remains a valid topic for conversation as this week is only a step, albeit a decisive and important one, in a process that has some way to run. I hope we can come together now to get behind those negotiating our deal to get the best possible future for our country outside the EU but still part of Europe and a major international economy. It's not about triumphalism for me. It is satisfaction that the result of a democratic vote has been delivered despite the attempts of various factions to derail or overturn it.

[towny44]

I agree Merv that Brexit remains a major talking point, and will do until it is finally resolved on Dec 31st.
But my invite to Jack was never intended to be a triumphal one. I am genuinely interested in hearing his reaction to the WA eventually being passed through parliament, especially when he was so certain it would never happen.
I am sure that some Brexit supporters are feeling triumphal, for me though I am just grateful that the referendum result has finally been honoured, and I will celebrate our leaving hopefully as the start of a successful new chapter for the UK economy.

[david63]

until it is finally resolved on Dec 31st

Irrespective of what happens by the 31st December Brexit will not be resolved and there will be some who will "carry on" about it for the next 40 years (unless we rejoin!)

[Gill W]

And there’ll also be some who wanted to leave who’ll carry on repeating the same things for the next 40 years!

[barney]

If leaving the constraints of the EU is even 50% as bad as the doom mongers predicted, then there will be a political party standing at the next election on a mandate of joining.
Watch this space.

In my humble opinion, that is unlikely to happen, but you never know.

Just this very morning I was reading in the Guardian, an article quoting Varadkar, saying what he will accept, with the weight of the mighty EU behind him. He appears oblivious to the obvious point that he's no longer dealing with Teresa May, but a different government with a different attitude and a massive majority.

In my opinion, the balance of power has moved significantly.

[Manoverboard]

And there’ll also be some who wanted to leave who’ll carry on repeating the same things for the next 40 years!

It won't be me cos I haven't got 40 years left in the tank

[towny44]

And there’ll also be some who wanted to leave who’ll carry on repeating the same things for the next 40 years!

That seems a strange quote Gill, we are leaving and whilst I am sure that there will be some heard muttering, "this is not the Brexit I voted for", the vast majority of leavers will be wanting it to be a success, and doing their best to talk it up.
Do you think that remainers will be staying silent, certainly not Huge Grant who is still complaining bitterly about the Hugh mistake we made.

[Stephen]

And there’ll also be some who wanted to leave who’ll carry on repeating the same things for the next 40 years!

It won't be me cos I haven't got 40 years left in the tank

I think that'll be most of us Moby.

[Gill W]

And there’ll also be some who wanted to leave who’ll carry on repeating the same things for the next 40 years!

It won't be me cos I haven't got 40 years left in the tank

I was originally going to say ‘40 years or until death, which ever comes sooner’, but I thought it was a bit indelicate!

[Frank Manning]

And there’ll also be some who wanted to leave who’ll carry on repeating the same things for the next 40 years!

Absolutely Gill, and it seems they might. There's surely little point in either side trying to wind up the opposition; the train has left the station, nothing anyone at our level can say or do will affect the ultimate outcome (whenever). Coming together.

[Gill W]

And there’ll also be some who wanted to leave who’ll carry on repeating the same things for the next 40 years!

That seems a strange quote Gill, we are leaving and whilst I am sure that there will be some heard muttering, "this is not the Brexit I voted for", the vast majority of leavers will be wanting it to be a success, and doing their best to talk it up.
Do you think that remainers will be staying silent, certainly not Huge Grant who is still complaining bitterly about the Hugh mistake we made.

Not strange at all.

I was thinking closer to home than that, I.e. this forum. Although most have accepted the need to move on, we are all in the habit of the Remain/Leave divide.

If we are truly to move on, I think we need to leave behind bringing up things that relate to the divide, such as what Hugh Grant or Michael Hestletine or anyone else might be saying. If we also keep banging on about this sort of thing, we are just amplifying a divide on our little community.

I expect some celebratory posts this weekend. I won’t be joining in, but after that, I fully expect us to be talking about what is happening as the year progresses. I don’t expect a rehash of the last three and a half years and I don’t expect the blame culture to continue.

Since the election, I think the atmosphere has improved on this forum. However, I’ve still seen things which have made me hold my tongue. One one occasion I responded, then immediately deleted my post, as I thought it wouldn’t help the situation.

I’m genuinely doing my best. I hope everyone else is mindful as well, as we move forward together.

[Gill W]

And there’ll also be some who wanted to leave who’ll carry on repeating the same things for the next 40 years!

Absolutely Gill, and it seems they might. There's surely little point in either side trying to wind up the opposition; the train has left the station, nothing anyone at our level can say or do will affect the ultimate outcome (whenever). Coming together.

Exactly. The only thing we can do at our level is to be mindful of other people, and make sure that our own actions and words don’t provoke others.

[towny44]

Gill & Frank, If you really believe that any negative comments made by high profile remainers, or indeed leavers, cannot be mentioned on here for fear of winding someone else up, then you will both need to avoid any posts I make.
I am all for moving on and getting behind the government as it tries to plot the best path to independent trade deals, but I am not prepared to be muzzled in order not to offend any sensitive remainers.
It took almost 4 years culminating in a massive victory for Boris before the majority of remainers decided to capitulate, and that is something as a true democrat that will take a long time to heal.
So if the likes of Hugh Grant, Michael Heseltine or Tony Blair continue to deny the validity of the referendum, do not expect me to stay silent.

[Manoverboard]

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