Current Affairs

[screwy]

Is that Lord Sumption really part of this planet.?

[Onelife]

Is that Lord Sumption really part of this planet.?

314,295 people can’t say he is wrong 4,765,373 can.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Is that Lord Sumption really part of this planet.?

When I heard the story I misheard and though they said Lord Sutch! That would make sense!

He says "Guidance is fine. Voluntary self-isolation is fine, and strongly advisable for the more vulnerable. Most of them will do it by choice. But coercion is not fine. There is no moral or principled justification for it."

I wonder if he applies the same logic to drink driving limits or speed limits? Go as fast as you like. Get seriously pissed. If you kill yourself so what? Anyone who's frightened of being killed by you can voluntarily stay off the roads.

But maybe we should try a variation on his idea. Yes make lockdown voluntary. And those who do it get a free pass to use the NHS. Those who think they know better can do what they like, just as soon as they sign a disclaimer which says they will pay for any treatment they need as a consequence.

[Gill W]

Last weekend, the R was promoted as all important. I get the impression they are playing it down now, so they are hoping we will have forgotten about it by June!

I'm not sure where you're getting your information now Gill. We watch the press conference every day and the R has been mentioned every day this week.

Let’s see what happens in a few weeks if the R is above 1

[oldbluefox]

No evidence they are playing it down though is there?

[screwy]

Unbelievable. On the news at Lulworth Cove,talking to a family who had driven 90 minutes. The woman said she was shocked how many people were there and the lack of social distancing.! Well blow me down,you’ve just driven 90 minutes to get there.

Or is it just me.?

[Mervyn and Trish]

Not just you Screwy. The great unwashed think it's their right to be there and everyone else is wrong.

We love the coast but our nearest point is around 80 miles away and we wouldn't dream of driving there at the moment.

[oldbluefox]

Easy to criticise the government when Joe Public acts irresponsibly. My criticism of the government is in not being strict enough and not enforcing it as harshly as they should. Some seem to think lockdown doesn't apply to them and they interpret the rules to suit themselves.

[Onelife]

Easy to criticise the government when Joe Public acts irresponsibly. My criticism of the government is in not being strict enough and not enforcing it as harshly as they should. Some seem to think lockdown doesn't apply to them and they interpret the rules to suit themselves.

I agree Foxy…. but then they have issued 1,400 fines…. which amounts to a total deterrent of £1400

[Quizzical Bob]

Easy to criticise the government when Joe Public acts irresponsibly. My criticism of the government is in not being strict enough and not enforcing it as harshly as they should. Some seem to think lockdown doesn't apply to them and they interpret the rules to suit themselves.

The lockdown rules have been relaxed and it’s ok to drive as far as you like.

If you’re in England that is. Don’t even think about driving into a Wales or Scotland.

[Stephen]

Easy to criticise the government when Joe Public acts irresponsibly. My criticism of the government is in not being strict enough and not enforcing it as harshly as they should. Some seem to think lockdown doesn't apply to them and they interpret the rules to suit themselves.

Quite

A neighbours daughter was quite happy going off in a car full of other friends the other day totally oblivious to the danger she could put herself and others in. The selfish young seem to think they are immune to everything including this virus.

If she or her friends caught it then I'm afraid all I can say is serve them right. It's others that they may come in contact with such as the vulnerable and elderly I feel sorry for.

[Onelife]

Easy to criticise the government when Joe Public acts irresponsibly. My criticism of the government is in not being strict enough and not enforcing it as harshly as they should. Some seem to think lockdown doesn't apply to them and they interpret the rules to suit themselves.

Quite

A neighbours daughter was quite happy going off in a car full of other friends the other day totally oblivious to the danger she could put herself and others in. The selfish young seem to think they are immune to everything including this virus.

If she or her friends caught it then I'm afraid all I can say is serve them right. It's others that they may come in contact with such as the vulnerable and elderly I feel sorry for.

Yep! Stephen, the young have the rest of their lives to look forward too.....Some of us are living on borrowed time....They should be more considerate for sure

[towny44]

Easy to criticise the government when Joe Public acts irresponsibly. My criticism of the government is in not being strict enough and not enforcing it as harshly as they should. Some seem to think lockdown doesn't apply to them and they interpret the rules to suit themselves.

The lockdown rules have been relaxed and it’s ok to drive as far as you like.

If you’re in England that is. Don’t even think about driving into a Wales or Scotland.

Why on earth would an Englishman want to drive into Wales or Scotland?

[Jan Rosser]

Easy to criticise the government when Joe Public acts irresponsibly. My criticism of the government is in not being strict enough and not enforcing it as harshly as they should. Some seem to think lockdown doesn't apply to them and they interpret the rules to suit themselves.

The lockdown rules have been relaxed and it’s ok to drive as far as you like.

If you’re in England that is. Don’t even think about driving into a Wales or Scotland.

Why on earth would an Englishman want to drive into Wales or Scotland?

Oh John boy to visit me of course - now wouldn’t that tempt you

[Onelife]

The lockdown rules have been relaxed and it’s ok to drive as far as you like.

If you’re in England that is. Don’t even think about driving into a Wales or Scotland.

Why on earth would an Englishman want to drive into Wales or Scotland?

Oh John boy to visit me of course - now wouldn’t that tempt you

It would tempt me Jan, especially so if you could throw in a couple of Welsh cakes

[towny44]

The lockdown rules have been relaxed and it’s ok to drive as far as you like.

If you’re in England that is. Don’t even think about driving into a Wales or Scotland.

Why on earth would an Englishman want to drive into Wales or Scotland?

Oh John boy to visit me of course - now wouldn’t that tempt you

Yes indeed, but not sure that Pauline would approve.

[barney]

Easy to criticise the government when Joe Public acts irresponsibly. My criticism of the government is in not being strict enough and not enforcing it as harshly as they should. Some seem to think lockdown doesn't apply to them and they interpret the rules to suit themselves.

Quite

A neighbours daughter was quite happy going off in a car full of other friends the other day totally oblivious to the danger she could put herself and others in. The selfish young seem to think they are immune to everything including this virus.

If she or her friends caught it then I'm afraid all I can say is serve them right. It's others that they may come in contact with such as the vulnerable and elderly I feel sorry for.

The statistics show that she is not really putting herself in too much danger Stephen, but she is risking others.

The amount of young healthy people badly affected is really low.
the vast majority just get mild symptoms and many never even know they have the virus.
Only about 10% of covid deaths have been in the under 65 age group, and most of those have also had some sort of medical condition.

The group at risk, as we all know is the olduns.

So, the moral question that must be asked is, should the world come to a standstill to protect the vulnerable elderly?

If you're older, you would definitely say yes.
If you are twenty five, then I dunno so much !

[towny44]

Barney, as an oldun it is our children and grandchildren who are insisting that we self isolate, they won't permit us to shop or see anyone other than for medical needs. So even if I was prepared to take a risk, they won't let me.

[barney]

That reinforces my point John.
The vulnerable will stay isolated and the rest of the world will carry on as normal.
If that is not to be the case, then we will all ultimately starve.

[Mervyn and Trish]

That reinforces my point John.
The vulnerable will stay isolated and the rest of the world will carry on as normal.
If that is not to be the case, then we will all ultimately starve.

Maybe this argues back to the herd immunity theory. Let the young fit ones all get it and build the herd immunity while we oldies stay isolated till it's safer to come out. The trouble is there are some young people dying of it. Not as many as oldies but enough to be concerned about.

[Onelife]

A bit like playing Russian Roulette with the young having a few more bullets in the gun

[Manoverboard]

Barney, as an oldun it is our children and grandchildren who are insisting that we self isolate, they won't permit us to shop or see anyone other than for medical needs. So even if I was prepared to take a risk, they won't let me.

And as long as you continue to insist that you won't leave your Worldly Goods to Leeds United it will remain that way

[towny44]

Barney, as an oldun it is our children and grandchildren who are insisting that we self isolate, they won't permit us to shop or see anyone other than for medical needs. So even if I was prepared to take a risk, they won't let me.

And as long as you continue to insist that you won't leave your Worldly Goods to Leeds United it will remain that way

Wash your mouth out you wicked man!

[barney]

That reinforces my point John.
The vulnerable will stay isolated and the rest of the world will carry on as normal.
If that is not to be the case, then we will all ultimately starve.

Maybe this argues back to the herd immunity theory. Let the young fit ones all get it and build the herd immunity while we oldies stay isolated till it's safer to come out. The trouble is there are some young people dying of it. Not as many as oldies but enough to be concerned about.

About four thousand under 65s have passed away with Covid 19
Nearly all had underlying medical problems.
Hardly any normally healthy youngsters have died.

[david63]

About four thousand under 65s have passed away with Covid 19
Nearly all had underlying medical problems.
Hardly any normally healthy youngsters have died.

Which all lends weight to the argument for schools to reopen