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[Manoverboard]

.... maybe internally you are questioning his decision and the logic behind it!

Keep digging / spinning / twisting Ken, you're a million miles out.

[Onelife]

I think it a fair assumption that the announcements were brought forward in an attempt to throw the wolves off the scent....which leaves me wondering if a couple of the decisions were less thought out than otherwise would have been the case had he not been pushed into what could turn out to be rash decision making.

He didn't have to be pushed. It's a situation of his own making. If Cummings had done the right thing and resigned or if not, Johnson had sacked him, people wouldn't have so furious all week. (and still are angry)

No grounds to sack Cummings Gill but you can keep trying to take chunks out of him if it pleases

[Gill W]

I think it a fair assumption that the announcements were brought forward in an attempt to throw the wolves off the scent....which leaves me wondering if a couple of the decisions were less thought out than otherwise would have been the case had he not been pushed into what could turn out to be rash decision making.

He didn't have to be pushed. It's a situation of his own making. If Cummings had done the right thing and resigned or if not, Johnson had sacked him, people wouldn't have so furious all week. (and still are angry)

No grounds to sack Cummings Gill but you can keep trying to take chunks out of him if it pleases

I'm not taking chunks out of him, I'm giving my opinion and It doesn't please me at all, it's a distraction to what we should be focusing on right now.

However, I'm going to have to ask this question, as I've been wondering about this for a few days now.

It's a question to all those who think that Cummings did the right thing, or didn't do anything wrong.

If Cummings was the special advisor to a Labour Prime Minister, and had done the things that Cummings had done - would you back the Labour PM's decision not to sack him and would you be posting in support of the Labour PM?

[Onelife]

He didn't have to be pushed. It's a situation of his own making. If Cummings had done the right thing and resigned or if not, Johnson had sacked him, people wouldn't have so furious all week. (and still are angry)

No grounds to sack Cummings Gill but you can keep trying to take chunks out of him if it pleases

I'm not taking chunks out of him, I'm giving my opinion and It doesn't please me at all, it's a distraction to what we should be focusing on right now.

However, I'm going to have to ask this question, as I've been wondering about this for a few days now.

It's a question to all those who think that Cummings did the right thing, or didn't do anything wrong.

If Cummings was the special advisor to a Labour Prime Minister, and had done the things that Cummings had done - would you back the Labour PM's decision not to sack him and would you be posting in support of the Labour PM?

If l was a labour supporter and labour were in Government... and l thought Cummings was a great asset to future decision making of our country then l would do everything posible to keep the wolves at bay, especially for something that has been blown out of all proportion.

[Manoverboard]

It's a question to all those who think that Cummings did the right thing, or didn't do anything wrong.

If Cummings was the special advisor to a Labour Prime Minister, and had done the things that Cummings had done - would you back the Labour PM's decision not to sack him and would you be posting in support of the Labour PM?

For me it would make no difference at all as my opinion was based on how a father feels above anything political.

ps ... I still have no intention of going round in circles nor to tread on previously trodden ground.

[screwy]

Thats easy, I would never, ever back a Labour PM. Thats coming from the youngest of 3 of a single mum (Divorced ) working class, council estate kid.
Too many people, on here included, think/call themselves 'Socialists ' They own a house, maybe a second one.? nice expensive car, luxury holidays, run a business?
No, your a Capatalist. No one in particular refered to here.

[Gill W]

No grounds to sack Cummings Gill but you can keep trying to take chunks out of him if it pleases

I'm not taking chunks out of him, I'm giving my opinion and It doesn't please me at all, it's a distraction to what we should be focusing on right now.

However, I'm going to have to ask this question, as I've been wondering about this for a few days now.

It's a question to all those who think that Cummings did the right thing, or didn't do anything wrong.

If Cummings was the special advisor to a Labour Prime Minister, and had done the things that Cummings had done - would you back the Labour PM's decision not to sack him and would you be posting in support of the Labour PM?

If l was a labour supporter and labour were in Government... and l thought Cummings was a great asset to future decision making of our country then l would do everything posible to keep the wolves at bay.......for something that has been blown out of all proportion.

But you are not a Labour supporter.

If you are saying that there's no grounds to sack Cummings and it's been blown out of all proportion, that would be the case whether he was a SPAD to a Conservative PM or Labour PM. So the logic is that you would still support him if he was SPAD to a Labour PM.

[Gill W]

It's a question to all those who think that Cummings did the right thing, or didn't do anything wrong.

If Cummings was the special advisor to a Labour Prime Minister, and had done the things that Cummings had done - would you back the Labour PM's decision not to sack him and would you be posting in support of the Labour PM?

For me it would make no difference at all as my opinion was based on how a father feels above anything political.

ps ... I still have no intention of going round in circles nor to tread on previously trodden ground.

That's fair enough, that's the stance I take too.

As you know, I thought Cummings was wrong, and I would think that whoever he worked for.

[screwy]

For goodness sake folks, let it drop, lets all just agree to disagree and move on or you'll drive yourselves into an early grave.

[Gill W]

Thats easy, I would never, ever back a Labour PM. Thats coming from the youngest of 3 of a single mum (Divorced ) working class, council estate kid.
Too many people, on here included, think/call themselves 'Socialists ' They own a house, maybe a second one.? nice expensive car, luxury holidays, run a business?
No, your a Capatalist. No one in particular refered to here.

As I don't call myself a socialist or think that I'm one, you definitely aren't referring to me.

However, I can only conclude that if Cummings worked for a Labour PM, you'd think it wrong if Cummings had been allowed to stay in his post.

[barney]

Thats easy, I would never, ever back a Labour PM. Thats coming from the youngest of 3 of a single mum (Divorced ) working class, council estate kid.
Too many people, on here included, think/call themselves 'Socialists ' They own a house, maybe a second one.? nice expensive car, luxury holidays, run a business?
No, your a Capatalist. No one in particular refered to here.

I consider myself a Socialist operating in a Capitalist system.
Yes, I have the trappings of my hard work and good luck, but still think that a country is judged by how it treats it’s weakest and vulnerable.

I’m happy to contribute my tax money and charity money towards helping people who need it.
It’s my nature. I’m a benevolent sort of guy.
Would i assist others before my own ?
Not on your life.
Am I happy to help those in need in this country?
Absolutely.

If that’s anything to be ashamed of, then so be it

[Manoverboard]

For goodness sake folks, let it drop, lets all just agree to disagree and move on or you'll drive yourselves into an early grave.

Oi .... get back to your own ' Currant ' channel

[Onelife]

I'm not taking chunks out of him, I'm giving my opinion and It doesn't please me at all, it's a distraction to what we should be focusing on right now.

However, I'm going to have to ask this question, as I've been wondering about this for a few days now.

It's a question to all those who think that Cummings did the right thing, or didn't do anything wrong.

If Cummings was the special advisor to a Labour Prime Minister, and had done the things that Cummings had done - would you back the Labour PM's decision not to sack him and would you be posting in support of the Labour PM?

If l was a labour supporter and labour were in Government... and l thought Cummings was a great asset to future decision making of our country then l would do everything posible to keep the wolves at bay.......for something that has been blown out of all proportion.

But you are not a Labour supporter.

If you are saying that there's no grounds to sack Cummings and it's been blown out of all proportion, that would be the case whether he was a SPAD to a Conservative PM or Labour PM. So the logic is that you would still support him if he was SPAD to a Labour PM.

If he is as Brilliant of a SPAD as they say he is I would support him in any party should that party carry my vote. I'm not presently a labour supporter but thats not to say l won't be in the future...probably sooner were David Miliband return and former a completely new cabinet....l would of course need to know l would be allowed to keep my millions

[Manoverboard]

.... l would of course need to know l would be allowed to keep my millions

The correct spelling is ' c h i c k e n s '

[Gill W]

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If he is as Brilliant of a SPAD as they say he is I would support him in any party should that party carry my vote. I'm not presently a labour supporter but thats not to say l won't be in the future...probably sooner were David Miliband return and former a completely new cabinet....l would of course need to know l would be allowed to keep my millions

Right..... so you are saying that you'd support him if he was working for a party that you'd vote for.

But, even if he had behaved in exactly the same fashion and was working for a party you wouldn't vote for, you wouldn't support him.

OK, I think I understand - it's purely about politics for you, and you support 'your' party, whatever happens. Fair enough, but I wonder how bad things would have to get before your faith is shaken.

(I think it might be him saying he's brilliant - judging by the poor government response to CV, he's not giving very good advice)

[towny44]

I do rather despair that some people are still unwilling to accept that this govt has been following scientific advise all through this pandemic. It seems that most people are agreed that scientific opinion will differ, but the senior members of SAGE do appear to be in agreement that the govt have followed their consensus in the way they have handled this crisis.

[Quizzical Bob]

No grounds to sack Cummings Gill but you can keep trying to take chunks out of him if it pleases

I'm not taking chunks out of him, I'm giving my opinion and It doesn't please me at all, it's a distraction to what we should be focusing on right now.

However, I'm going to have to ask this question, as I've been wondering about this for a few days now.

It's a question to all those who think that Cummings did the right thing, or didn't do anything wrong.

If Cummings was the special advisor to a Labour Prime Minister, and had done the things that Cummings had done - would you back the Labour PM's decision not to sack him and would you be posting in support of the Labour PM?

If l was a labour supporter and labour were in Government... and l thought Cummings was a great asset to future decision making of our country then l would do everything posible to keep the wolves at bay, especially for something that has been blown out of all proportion.

He’s nothing like that. The man is a dangerous liability with dangerous ideas and only of benefit to Johnson and Gove.

[towny44]

I'm not taking chunks out of him, I'm giving my opinion and It doesn't please me at all, it's a distraction to what we should be focusing on right now.

However, I'm going to have to ask this question, as I've been wondering about this for a few days now.

It's a question to all those who think that Cummings did the right thing, or didn't do anything wrong.

If Cummings was the special advisor to a Labour Prime Minister, and had done the things that Cummings had done - would you back the Labour PM's decision not to sack him and would you be posting in support of the Labour PM?

If l was a labour supporter and labour were in Government... and l thought Cummings was a great asset to future decision making of our country then l would do everything posible to keep the wolves at bay, especially for something that has been blown out of all proportion.

He’s nothing like that. The man is a dangerous liability with dangerous ideas and only of benefit to Johnson and Gove.

That's your view QB, and I assume you have met and know him intimately to come to that opinion, and I would be very interested to have your detailed account of how you have come to that decision.

[Kendhni]

.... maybe internally you are questioning his decision and the logic behind it!

Keep digging / spinning / twisting Ken, you're a million miles out.

If you say so

[Onelife]

.... l would of course need to know l would be allowed to keep my millions

The correct spelling is ' c h i c k e n s '

You should know better than to reveal forumers identities... but as you’ve let the chicken out of the bag…Yes! Bernard Mathews is my Father

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[Gill W]

I do rather despair that some people are still unwilling to accept that this govt has been following scientific advise all through this pandemic. It seems that most people are agreed that scientific opinion will differ, but the senior members of SAGE do appear to be in agreement that the govt have followed their consensus in the way they have handled this crisis.

Nevertheless, some SAGE scientists have spoken out about their concerns

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-healt ... KKBN2360A0

[Onelife]

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If he is as Brilliant of a SPAD as they say he is I would support him in any party should that party carry my vote. I'm not presently a labour supporter but thats not to say l won't be in the future...probably sooner were David Miliband return and former a completely new cabinet....l would of course need to know l would be allowed to keep my millions

Right..... so you are saying that you'd support him if he was working for a party that you'd vote for.

But, even if he had behaved in exactly the same fashion and was working for a party you wouldn't vote for, you wouldn't support him.

OK, I think I understand - it's purely about politics for you, and you support 'your' party, whatever happens. Fair enough, but I wonder how bad things would have to get before your faith is shaken.

(I think it might be him saying he's brilliant - judging by the poor government response to CV, he's not giving very good advice)

There comes a point where I would put political party allegiance aside and put my faith in the elected party to make the right appointments regarding advisers

No one is indispensable and had he done something that warranted his dismissal then he would have been shown the door.

[towny44]

I do rather despair that some people are still unwilling to accept that this govt has been following scientific advise all through this pandemic. It seems that most people are agreed that scientific opinion will differ, but the senior members of SAGE do appear to be in agreement that the govt have followed their consensus in the way they have handled this crisis.

Nevertheless, some SAGE scientists have spoken out about their concerns

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-healt ... KKBN2360A0

Sage has over 60 members and 7 have spoken out about their concerns. When it gets to only 7 agreeing with the govt then I will be worried, until then I dont expect all 60 to have the same views, but as long as the greater majority do agree with govt policy, then I will be happy.

[Quizzical Bob]

If l was a labour supporter and labour were in Government... and l thought Cummings was a great asset to future decision making of our country then l would do everything posible to keep the wolves at bay, especially for something that has been blown out of all proportion.

He’s nothing like that. The man is a dangerous liability with dangerous ideas and only of benefit to Johnson and Gove.

That's your view QB, and I assume you have met and know him intimately to come to that opinion, and I would be very interested to have your detailed account of how you have come to that decision.

You don’t need to meet anybody in order to come to that conclusion. You just need to read a wide variety of sources and converse with people who have met and worked with him. He has extreme views as to how the country should be run, views which have never been presented at a ballot box.

Three years of living in Moscow should at the very least raise an eyebrow or two. Johnson can’t even wipe his own bottom unless Cummings tells him how to do it. Watch Johnson’s bumbling and blustering performance in front of the Liaison Committee where he has to keep glancing sideways to see what Cummings is telling him to say.

Cummings is neither a politician nor a diplomat yet he is running the country. Johnson is not very bright and doesn’t read his briefings nor does he do detail but he knows that without Cummings he is lost.

[Onelife]

He’s nothing like that. The man is a dangerous liability with dangerous ideas and only of benefit to Johnson and Gove.

That's your view QB, and I assume you have met and know him intimately to come to that opinion, and I would be very interested to have your detailed account of how you have come to that decision.

You don’t need to meet anybody in order to come to that conclusion. You just need to read a wide variety of sources and converse with people who have met and worked with him. He has extreme views as to how the country should be run, views which have never been presented at a ballot box.

Three years of living in Moscow should at the very least raise an eyebrow or two. Johnson can’t even wipe his own bottom unless Cummings tells him how to do it. Watch Johnson’s bumbling and blustering performance in front of the Liaison Committee where he has to keep glancing sideways to see what Cummings is telling him to say.

Cummings is neither a politician nor a diplomat yet he is running the country. Johnson is not very bright and doesn’t read his briefings nor does he do detail but he knows that without Cummings he is lost.

I have read quite a bit about him and like you I think he does have some extreme views especially if you talk to those he considers “dead wood” within the party he works for and beyond…. many of whom hate change and hate those who want to reform even more. As with most intellectuals there will be those who share their vision and those who walk blindly down the same well trodden path,.

I don’t know how heavily Boris relies on Cummings and know even less of their toileting habits but as l have said before, Advisors, advice, Leaders, lead, and in helping Boris make these decisions I feel we have one of the best cabinets we have seen in many a year.

Better the devil you think can help do the job than the devils who are waiting to take his job.

But hey!......l'm happy to stick the boot in from time to time because whatever l say ain't go a make a scrap of difference.

Did you see what that Bast**d Cummings sad about my Theresa.....l hate the man.