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[towny44]

A lot of talk today on the covid briefing that BAME health workers especially could be at higher risk, so why since there is less pressure on the NHS now don't they take BAME staff out of the front line, and only use them in non covid wards?

[david63]

so why since there is less pressure on the NHS now don't they take BAME staff out of the front line, and only use them in non covid wards?

Possibly because they have the skills that are required "at the front line" which others do not have.

[Onelife]

I personally don’t actually agree with smacking because those who smack generally carry on smacking beyond where is serves any purpose. If you’re still smacking a ten-year-old then you as a parent have learnt nothing about parenting.

0 to 10 is the easiest bit and a slap on the back of the leg did nobody any harm. All children need to be taught, one way or another, right from wrong and sparing the rod is not always the way to go.

Let us assume, OL, that you have a little girl and because she is the only one she will behave if only because she is getting all the attention and all her own way. Daddy will be idolised, in part to ensure that she continues to get all her own way but in reality she could be playing you for a sucker. The problems could start when she gets married and because of her soft upbringing will not know how to compromise nor how to share nor to give any consideration that doesn’t suit her to her partner. A divorce will logically follow and it will be all your fault because you made her your ‘ Little Princess ‘.

Boys on the other hand will play their fathers to destruction point, Daddy is my Super Hero is dropped in favour of taking the old fool to the wire.



Discipline and compromise in the home is respected by children, albeit cruelty is not, of that there is no doubt and it was certainly the case in our family home and we remain a tight knit unit to this day because of it.
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Hi Mob. As I said…I personally don’t agree with smacking but that’s not to say I wasn’t on the receiving end of many a ‘wet hand smack’s or even a few “wait till your dad gets home” good hidings.
Having done a quick personality reading I would say you probably had a good few more smacks than me…and well deserving of them would be my assessment.

I can’t remember the reasons or how many smacks my mother gave me, but I do recall the inconsistency between how naughty I had been to the severity of the punishment dished out.…but then at the time, I couldn’t have known what kind of day my mother had, had or indeed the mood she was in before she let rip …the “wait till your dad gets home” good hiding seemed to following in the same vain…I shall return to this later.

Unlike you, the smacks didn’t do anything for me (father excluded) and were, for the most, par for the course, what did cut deeper than any smack was when I was sent to my bedroom straight after returning from school…a week of that had me crying out for a good old smack….those were the days.

Moving on fifty years’ times have changed, the family unit has changed (in many cases) to that of when us two urchins had mom at home doing the household chores to that of where mom and dad are both having to bring home the bacon. The little prince and princes are whisked off to morning club then picked up after the evening club…. the lucky ones get a bit of mom and dad play time and a loving cuddle, the not so lucky ones who play up having not seen enough of mom and dad get the smack first, then “I’m sorry,” I’m on a short fuse”, off to bed cuddle later. Can you see where I’m going with this Mob?

We are living in a completely different time, work, play, schooling are not as they were when we were urchins, family parenting has needed to move with the times….it’s for this reason I can see no benefit in smacking when there are much better ways to install good behaviour….however, what goes on behind closed doors is none of my business, other than to say those children who today have hands raised to them are more likely to be those telling their teacher to sod of in the future.

We adopted the naughty chair method which worked for our Princess although its fair to say it didn’t help with the tidying of her bedroom…and still hasn't today.

You’re a naughty boy Mob having made me write all this.

[Manoverboard]

You’re a naughty boy Mob having made me write all this.

Why am I feeling that I should miss my breakfast and sit all morning in the naughty chair, you Sir are a bully

My own parents adopted, for the most part, the ' off to bed you go ' approach but when we had kids I decided it would be great fun to beat the crap out of them.

[Stephen]

Kids don't know they're born today. I got a bl**dy good hiding if I stepped out of line. I was caned once at school, only the once mind you as by god it hurt.

The nanny state we now live in its no wonder the yoof stick to fingers up at society. Let's face it, most of them can't even make up they're minds what gender they are.

[Onelife]

Kids don't know they're born today. I got a bl**dy good hiding if I stepped out of line. I was caned once at school, only the once mind you as by god it hurt.

The nanny state we now live in its no wonder the yoof stick to fingers up at society. Let's face it, most of them can't even make up they're minds what gender they are.

My take on that Stephen would be that the majority of kids are brought up in relatively happy family units, whereas some children are just an inconvenience to their perents and one where their neglect in responsibility is shifted onto the childs teachers to try and sort out.

I had the cane twice, on the one occasion it was delivered by the deputy head who liked me (didn't hurt) the other was delivered by my chemistry teacher which left two blisters across my hand...l couldn't hold a pencil for a day after it.....l didn't agree with canning either....playground time restrictions worked better for me as a punishment.

[Onelife]

You’re a naughty boy Mob having made me write all this.

Why am I feeling that I should miss my breakfast and sit all morning in the naughty chair, you Sir are a bully

My own parents adopted, for the most part, the ' off to bed you go ' approach but when we had kids I decided it would be great fun to beat the crap out of them.

But doing it with a smile on your face would have demonstrated that you wern't being wholly serious. ....that's why they forgave you

[towny44]

Kids don't know they're born today. I got a bl**dy good hiding if I stepped out of line. I was caned once at school, only the once mind you as by god it hurt.

The nanny state we now live in its no wonder the yoof stick to fingers up at society. Let's face it, most of them can't even make up they're minds what gender they are.

My take on that Stephen would be that the majority of kids are brought up in relatively happy family units, whereas some children are just an inconvenience to their perents and one where their neglect in responsibility is shifted onto the childs teachers to try and sort out.

I had the cane twice, on the one occasion it was delivered by the deputy head who liked me (didn't hurt) the other was delivered by my chemistry teacher which left two blisters across my hand...l couldn't hold a pencil for a day after it.....l didn't agree with canning either....playground time restrictions worked better for me as a punishment.

Maybe so Keith but far too many of the ones from loving families become an inconvenience to the rest of society, possibly because they were not disciplined enough.

[Onelife]

Kids don't know they're born today. I got a bl**dy good hiding if I stepped out of line. I was caned once at school, only the once mind you as by god it hurt.

The nanny state we now live in its no wonder the yoof stick to fingers up at society. Let's face it, most of them can't even make up they're minds what gender they are.

My take on that Stephen would be that the majority of kids are brought up in relatively happy family units, whereas some children are just an inconvenience to their perents and one where their neglect in responsibility is shifted onto the childs teachers to try and sort out.

I had the cane twice, on the one occasion it was delivered by the deputy head who liked me (didn't hurt) the other was delivered by my chemistry teacher which left two blisters across my hand...l couldn't hold a pencil for a day after it.....l didn't agree with canning either....playground time restrictions worked better for me as a punishment.

Maybe so Keith but far too many of the ones from loving families become an inconvenience to the rest of society, possibly because they were not disciplined enough.

No one said parenting was easy but being able to explain the reasons of what is accseptable and what is not will give a child a better understanding of fairness...The key to a well balanced upbringing and hopefully not to much of an inconvenience to society one would hope.

[oldbluefox]

Not all families are as loving or caring as yours OL. Some children's lives are chaotic, to say the least and they do not receive any consistent guidance/discipline of any description. I wouldn't leave my dog with some of them. Trouble is they give no discipline and they don't expect anybody else to apply it either and when the kids gets older they have lost control, their offspring have no respect for them and do as they please, often getting involved in gangs who provide the companionship so lacking in their own family.
Of course they can always blame teachers, the police, government, society, deprivation or anything else other than themselves.

[Manoverboard]

.... I wouldn't leave my dog with some of them ...

I didn't know you had a dog

[oldbluefox]

.... I wouldn't leave my dog with some of them ...

I didn't know you had a dog

It's stuffed!!

[Manoverboard]

.... I wouldn't leave my dog with some of them ...

I didn't know you had a dog

It's stuffed!!

Same to you, Pal

[Onelife]

Not all families are as loving or caring as yours OL. Some children's lives are chaotic, to say the least and they do not receive any consistent guidance/discipline of any description. I wouldn't leave my dog with some of them. Trouble is they give no discipline and they don't expect anybody else to apply it either and when the kids gets older they have lost control, their offspring have no respect for them and do as they please, often getting involved in gangs who provide the companionship so lacking in their own family.
Of course they can always blame teachers, the police, government, society, deprivation or anything else other than themselves.

When looking for what is to blame then perhaps we should look closer at social deprivation and the consequences that arise from it because they surly are the building stones of a disruptive/unequal society…this is not to say that living in a deprived area doesn’t mean you will have disruptive children, it just means that some children have disruptive none educated parents who produce children who learn nowt from their role models.

Tackle the deprivation and you have a better chance of tackling the problem, but sadly a lesson successive government have failed to take onboard.

[screwy]

I think that you will only end deprivation with full employment,which sadly we will never have for various reasons.
I keep banging on about actively encouraging youngsters to join the Military either voluntarily or NS.It would give them discipline that is sadly lacking and they might even enjoy it, I know it’s not everyone’s cup of tea but something has to be done.

[Manoverboard]

.... I keep banging on about actively encouraging youngsters to join the Military either voluntarily or NS.It would give them discipline that is sadly lacking and they might even enjoy it ....

I missed NS by a whisker but those around me who had to go in thought it was a wasted period of their lives. That of course was because we had full employment at that time and everybody else was earning loadsa money. These days there are too many bumming around so NS may be a good plan but only until they have finished their time. Now instead of a yob we have a trained killer.

As Ken used to say ( maybe still does ) " Be careful what you wish for "

[Onelife]

I think that you will only end deprivation with full employment,which sadly we will never have for various reasons.
I keep banging on about actively encouraging youngsters to join the Military either voluntarily or NS.It would give them discipline that is sadly lacking and they might even enjoy it, I know it’s not everyone’s cup of tea but something has to be done.

Hi Screwy…there is certainly a case to be made for the encouraging of young men and women into joining one of our military forces… even if it is to straighten a few of them out.

A forerunner to this, should in my opinion but a massive government backed program of support for children’s clubs/youth clubs etc. Something which has seen a big decline in recent years through lack of funding

[towny44]

I think that you will only end deprivation with full employment,which sadly we will never have for various reasons.
I keep banging on about actively encouraging youngsters to join the Military either voluntarily or NS.It would give them discipline that is sadly lacking and they might even enjoy it, I know it’s not everyone’s cup of tea but something has to be done.

I wonder if the govt were to link a period of NS with them paying for all or part of any university education, might be worthy of consideration.

[david63]

A forerunner to this, should in my opinion but a massive government backed program of support for children’s clubs/youth clubs etc. Something which has seen a big decline in recent years through lack of funding

That is not true. Having been involved with youth movement for many years there is plenty of funding around - OK you may have to do some work to get it. The bigger problem is in getting, and retaining, volunteers to run it and that is due to a large extent in the regulations (health & safety, registration checks, etc) that have been introduced, not to mention the risk of legal action.

[Onelife]

A forerunner to this, should in my opinion but a massive government backed program of support for children’s clubs/youth clubs etc. Something which has seen a big decline in recent years through lack of funding

That is not true. Having been involved with youth movement for many years there is plenty of funding around - OK you may have to do some work to get it. The bigger problem is in getting, and retaining, volunteers to run it and that is due to a large extent in the regulations (health & safety, registration checks, etc) that have been introduced, not to mention the risk of legal action.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019 ... port-finds

[Mervyn and Trish]

.... I wouldn't leave my dog with some of them ...

I didn't know you had a dog

It's stuffed!!

Are you having it with sprouts and parsnips?

[Stephen]

There must be a Korean recipe for this somewhere

[Mervyn and Trish]

Maybe in Mary Berry's "Korean Cook Book"?

[oldbluefox]

Chow Mein!!!!

[david63]

Just been reading this about the new quarantine rules: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52907229

So if I don't fill out a form I get fined £100 - do I then be allowed to go on my way?

If I do fill a form in is anyone at the point of entry going to be able to validate the details meaning that I could put any address and contact number down.

So a two week holiday means that you spend two weeks in quarantine at the destination and then on your return you spend another two weeks in quarantine.

I'm sure I am not understanding this!