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[Onelife]

I think we should all club together and build ourselves a new caravan park down in Dorset somewhere…. Oh Yes! there are still money-making opportunities out there…let me know if you’re interested…with a small deposit to let me know you’re serious

[oldbluefox]

take your cramped seat with some old bug*er coughing all over you from behind.
Not for me thanks.

I'll find somewhere else to sit then

[Manoverboard]

take your cramped seat with some old bug*er coughing all over you from behind.
Not for me thanks.

I'll find somewhere else to sit then

Have you considered the toilet ?

[towny44]

I think we should all club together and build ourselves a new caravan park down in Dorset somewhere…. Oh Yes! there are still money-making opportunities out there…let me know if you’re interested…with a small deposit to let me know you’re serious

Is a small deposit the same thing that your chickens and seagulls leave behind?

[Onelife]

take your cramped seat with some old bug*er coughing all over you from behind.
Not for me thanks.

I'll find somewhere else to sit then

Have you considered the toilet ?

I would have though the “taildragger” more appropriate

[Onelife]

I think we should all club together and build ourselves a new caravan park down in Dorset somewhere…. Oh Yes! there are still money-making opportunities out there…let me know if you’re interested…with a small deposit to let me know you’re serious

Is a small deposit the same thing that your chickens and seagulls leave behind?

Talking sh*t again John?

[Manoverboard]

I think we should all club together and build ourselves a new caravan park down in Dorset somewhere…. Oh Yes! there are still money-making opportunities out there…let me know if you’re interested…with a small deposit to let me know you’re serious

You'de never get through the mountain of planning objections, including mine, and apart from that Dorset simply doesn't need 40 year old Pemberton cast offs from the Welsh Marshes Marches

[Onelife]

I think we should all club together and build ourselves a new caravan park down in Dorset somewhere…. Oh Yes! there are still money-making opportunities out there…let me know if you’re interested…with a small deposit to let me know you’re serious

You'de never get through the mountain of planning objections, including mine, and apart from that Dorset simply doesn't need 40 year old Pemberton cast offs from the Welsh Marshes Marches

Tough luck…I’ve already had four PM’s expressing an interest…with deposits …..clearly they see opportunities where you only see Bambi’s and Tractors…enjoy your joy (ous) rides while you can..nimby!

[Onelife]

3 June
NHS Test and Trace system not tracing enough contacts of coronavirus cases

The NHS Test and Trace system, which is designed to identify people who might have been exposed to people who have tested positive for coronavirus, only reached 38 per cent of known contacts of people diagnosed with coronavirus, according to leaked data obtained by Channel 4 News. The Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE), the government’s official advisory group for the pandemic, say the system needs to reach 80 per cent to be effective. Out of 4634 contacts provided to NHS Test and Trace by people who were confirmed to have coronavirus between 28 and 31 May, only 1749 were contacted.

[Ray B]

I think we should all club together and build ourselves a new caravan park down in Dorset somewhere…. Oh Yes! there are still money-making opportunities out there…let me know if you’re interested…with a small deposit to let me know you’re serious

Good idea OL, if it stop them coming to our county then I'm in, I've sent you a deposit via your choccy delivery service.

[Onelife]

I think we should all club together and build ourselves a new caravan park down in Dorset somewhere…. Oh Yes! there are still money-making opportunities out there…let me know if you’re interested…with a small deposit to let me know you’re serious

Good idea OL, if it stop them coming to our county then I'm in, I've sent you a deposit via your choccy delivery service.

Thanks for the deposit Ray . Oops! perhaps I should have mentioned I have big expansion plans

[Manoverboard]

Tough luck…I’ve already had four PM’s expressing an interest…with deposits …..clearly they see opportunities where you only see Bambi’s and Tractors…enjoy your joy (ous) rides while you can..nimby!

NIMBY !!!

Not just in my back yard. They'll poo absolutely anywhere, they're not even potty trained.

No ... Shropshire is the County to poo in with it's wide open conveniences spaces

[screwy]

3 June
NHS Test and Trace system not tracing enough contacts of coronavirus cases

The NHS Test and Trace system, which is designed to identify people who might have been exposed to people who have tested positive for coronavirus, only reached 38 per cent of known contacts of people diagnosed with coronavirus, according to leaked data obtained by Channel 4 News. The Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE), the government’s official advisory group for the pandemic, say the system needs to reach 80 per cent to be effective. Out of 4634 contacts provided to NHS Test and Trace by people who were confirmed to have coronavirus between 28 and 31 May, only 1749 were contacted.

So is that down to the tracers just taking the money and not doing their job.?

[Onelife]

3 June
NHS Test and Trace system not tracing enough contacts of coronavirus cases

The NHS Test and Trace system, which is designed to identify people who might have been exposed to people who have tested positive for coronavirus, only reached 38 per cent of known contacts of people diagnosed with coronavirus, according to leaked data obtained by Channel 4 News. The Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE), the government’s official advisory group for the pandemic, say the system needs to reach 80 per cent to be effective. Out of 4634 contacts provided to NHS Test and Trace by people who were confirmed to have coronavirus between 28 and 31 May, only 1749 were contacted.

So is that down to the tracers just taking the money and not doing their job.?

Well you certainly don’t find many jobs that pay you for sitting on your backside while waiting for the work to come in?

Sadly, this has been another miscalculation on part of the government. They have been relying on people, who, for whatever reason, won’t adhere to something that will require them, and their family to self-isolate on the chance that they may have come into contact with someone infected. The miscalculation on part of the government is that they lumped us all together believing we would all follow the rules when those least affected by covid will/have/do blow caution to the wind.

The British mind set is not that of more authoritarian’ countries where everyone follows the rules, it is one where we have been allowed to interpret the rules to suit our own personal circumstances.

So, what is to be done…well the first thing they should do is put 75% of the human tracers on the dole and get those left to put all their efforts into tracing those who do play by the rules.

Keep smiling and keep making those masks

[towny44]

3 June
NHS Test and Trace system not tracing enough contacts of coronavirus cases

The NHS Test and Trace system, which is designed to identify people who might have been exposed to people who have tested positive for coronavirus, only reached 38 per cent of known contacts of people diagnosed with coronavirus, according to leaked data obtained by Channel 4 News. The Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE), the government’s official advisory group for the pandemic, say the system needs to reach 80 per cent to be effective. Out of 4634 contacts provided to NHS Test and Trace by people who were confirmed to have coronavirus between 28 and 31 May, only 1749 were contacted.

So is that down to the tracers just taking the money and not doing their job.?

Well you certainly don’t find many jobs that pay you for sitting on your backside while waiting for the work to come in?

Sadly, this has been another miscalculation on part of the government. They have been relying on people, who, for whatever reason, won’t adhere to something that will require them, and their family to self-isolate on the chance that they may have come into contact with someone infected. The miscalculation on part of the government is that they lumped us all together believing we would all follow the rules when those least affected by covid will/have/do blow caution to the wind.

The British mind set is not that of more authoritarian’ countries where everyone follows the rules, it is one where we have been allowed to interpret the rules to suit our own personal circumstances.

So, what is to be done…well the first thing they should do is put 75% of the human tracers on the dole and get those left to put all their efforts into tracing those who do play by the rules.

Keep smiling and keep making those masks

I thought the report said they didn't, yet, find all the contacts, not that they refused to self isolate?

[Gill W]

What is clear is that if you were right that every person tested counted as two tests then the number of tests would be double the number of people. It never has been. That's not an opinion. It's simple maths.

I had hoped to drop this now, but you have misrepresented what I said.

I actually said

The problem with tests is that they are including tests done and tests posted out in the headline figure. They also count the nose swab and the throat swab as two separate tests. The amount of actual people tested has been missing for some days now. We just don’t know how many people are being tested

I would also point out that the percentage of people tested has fallen over time, in relation to tests being done

For example I used two completely random dates, as they were the first slides I could find when I searched

On 13th April, the percentage of people to tests was approx 79%

By 29th April, the figure was approx 66%

By 21st May (the last day the total of people was available), it was down to 57% (slide posted previously)

I saw the website that you referred to giving the cumulative total of people tested, but it doesn't give the amount of people that are being tested as a daily figure. This info was being provided, and now it's not. The whole process has become less transparent.

[Gill W]

We wouldn't cruise on that basis either Gill.
As a matter of fact, we won't be going abroad at all until normality returns.
I don't want to go to the Sagrada Familia with social distancing and face masks.
I don't want to walk the walls of Dubrovnik with social distancing and face masks.

Imagine sitting in the theatre of the ship with every other seat empty and people wearing masks.

Unless we can get to some sort of normality quite quickly, then tourism is dead in my opinion.
Socially distance at the airport then take your cramped seat with some old bug*er coughing all over you from behind.
Not for me thanks.

I agree and I'm feeling the same about tourism in this country. I've got a coach break to Edinburgh coming up in August. It was originally to see the Tattoo (which is cancelled). As it stands at the moment, I can't see how this trip can go ahead, as it's no holiday travelling to Scotland behind a mask, and, as I understand it, we currently can't spend the night away from home anyway. Plus I've got a day trip to Rye in July, with the same company, and that hasn't been cancelled yet either.

It's a small local company, and they must be really struggling by now. I would really like the £300 that I've paid so far back in my account, as I have no intention of travelling, but, they are going to resist refunding the money tooth and nail. I'm conflicted, as I would like to use the company again at some point....but I don't want to lose my money if they go to the wall. I had to pay be debit card, as they don't take credit cards, so I have no protection there.

I prefer to stay at home for now, and the forseeable future , as it seems like normal life at home

[Manoverboard]

Well you certainly don’t find many jobs that pay you for sitting on your backside while waiting for the work to come in?

There were and still are far too many layabouts who do absolutely sod all for the money they receive on Benefits.

The ' Trackers and Tracers ' are dependant on info received and I am very happy to have them paid even if they are presently on ' stand by '. The system was set up for an unknown number and it's better to have too many than too few, imo.
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[oldbluefox]

If there are too many they moan, if there are too few they moan. Can't win.

[screwy]

Dentists say they aren’t ready for opening on Monday, No ppe,cleaning products, What the hell have they been doing for the last 3 months.?

[Manoverboard]

Dentists say they aren’t ready for opening on Monday, No ppe,cleaning products, What the hell have they been doing for the last 3 months.?

Cleaning their teeth ?

[Mervyn and Trish]

I had hoped to drop this now, but you have misrepresented what I said

I agree we should drop it. They explained early on why the number of tests wasn't the same as the number of people and it was nothing to do with counting one test as two. But you remain unconvinced. So be it.

[Manoverboard]

I'm conflicted, as I would like to use the company again at some point....but I don't want to lose my money if they go to the wall. I had to pay be debit card, as they don't take credit cards, so I have no protection there.

I had the same conflict regarding one's car battery, different amount but same problem.

I don't want to lose the money either but I would rather stump up the £85 myself than be part of one's established local-ish garage going out of business because of the cumulative effect he will be experiencing during this difficult period.

[Mervyn and Trish]

We've had a similar issue with a couple of postponed holidays. I'd assumed the money spent anyway. We'll still get the holiday later. If everyone demanded a refund the holiday provider might not be there next year.

[towny44]

What is clear is that if you were right that every person tested counted as two tests then the number of tests would be double the number of people. It never has been. That's not an opinion. It's simple maths.

I had hoped to drop this now, but you have misrepresented what I said.

I actually said

The problem with tests is that they are including tests done and tests posted out in the headline figure. They also count the nose swab and the throat swab as two separate tests. The amount of actual people tested has been missing for some days now. We just don’t know how many people are being tested

I would also point out that the percentage of people tested has fallen over time, in relation to tests being done

For example I used two completely random dates, as they were the first slides I could find when I searched

On 13th April, the percentage of people to tests was approx 79%

By 29th April, the figure was approx 66%

By 21st May (the last day the total of people was available), it was down to 57% (slide posted previously)

I saw the website that you referred to giving the cumulative total of people tested, but it doesn't give the amount of people that are being tested as a daily figure. This info was being provided, and now it's not. The whole process has become less transparent.

Gill, I am still not certain what you are trying to prove about the govts handling of the covid crisis with these testing figures. It appears to me that all that the 2 dates you have chosen prove is that there was a major increase in testing capacity between those 2 dates. However there was also a major percentage increase in the number of negative tests between the 2 dates which to me shows that as the testing capacity increased far too many people with none or wrong symptoms sought a test, and this would probably have been the case even if we had started with much higher testing capacity, and in my opinion was a major waste of supposedly scarce resources.
I would genuinely like to know what these test results prove to you about the inadequacy of the govt response.