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[Mervyn and Trish]

I survived that one

[Stephen]

They've been warned enough times about mass groups, but are obviously too thick to take it on board...............so, next stop is the morgue for you.

[Mervyn and Trish]

What happened in the US is tragic. But I'm not sure what demos here are going to achieve. And given the slogan is "black lives matter" and that evidence is that BME people are more at risk from Covid, I wonder at the wisdom of putting more of those black lives in danger by gathering in large crowds at the present time.

[Manoverboard]

What happened in the US is tragic. But I'm not sure what demos here are going to achieve. And given the slogan is "black lives matter" and that evidence is that BME people are more at risk from Covid, I wonder at the wisdom of putting more of those black lives in danger by gathering in large crowds at the present time.

I can understand the need for BME people to highlight their feelings but there seemed so many non BME people taking part in the protest ... I really do wonder if their concerns are truly genuine or if they even understand the conflicts that originated in the US Southern States.

[screwy]

Just a thought....If some of these 'migrants' jumped in a rubber dinghy and rowed back across the channel, would the french let them in.? Just wondering.

[Stephen]

Copied from FB

George Floyd did not deserve to die like that and the Police Officer should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

George Floyd was a drugged up career criminal who spent near enough a decade in prison for violent, armed crimes. His Post Mortem showed that he was on drugs at his time of death and had tried to use counterfeit money to buy goods from a store.

Why are people in the UK and across the world making this "man" out to be some kind of Saint? Obviously, rent a mob has nothing else to do apart from congregating and breaking laws.

[oldbluefox]

Why such little information coming from the media about who he was and why he was being detained in the first place? Doesn't excuse his death but we only have half the story.

[screwy]

A Professor of Black Studies at Birmingham University on the Beeb this morning. He said he disagrees with Mat Hancock saying the Virus doesn’t discriminate. His reply, ‘ Yes it does, it discriminates against us.’ meaning Bame. This is why there will never be an answer to racial problems.

[Onelife]

If l looked back over all the posts l have made l could probably find one where l say "Criminals deserve what they get"....and it's fair to say l still hold that view in many respects ( punishment should fit the crime attatude)

I think we would all agree that the punishment dished out by theses officers has no place in a civilised world no matter what crimes he had previously committed......from what l have read both Floyd and the officer in question had a criminal record.... but both were trying to put the past behind them if you believe the media

I think we all agree that this was an unlawful killing and should be dealt with as such but it's the result of a far deeper rooted problem which has to be challenged at every level of society.... to keep ignoring it will eventually leave us all worse off in the long run.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ck-america

[Manoverboard]

I would agree with myself when I tell myself that we are all tribal so racism will never be resolved for a variety of reasons, toleration is the best we can all hope for. Protesting about it will achieve absolutely nothing ... in the long run.

Basically ....
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[Ray B]

I would agree with myself when I tell myself that we are all tribal so racism will never be resolved for a variety of reasons, toleration is the best we can all hope for. Protesting about it will achieve absolutely nothing ... in the long run.

Basically ....
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It may achieve another spike in covid 19

[Gill W]

If l looked back over all the posts l have made l could probably find one where l say "Criminals deserve what they get"....and it's fair to say l still hold that view in many respects ( punishment should fit the crime attatude)

I think we would all agree that the punishment dished out by theses officers has no place in a civilised world no matter what crimes he had previously committed......from what l have read both Floyd and the officer in question had a criminal record.... but both were trying to put the past behind them if you believe the media

I think we all agree that this was an unlawful killing and should be dealt with as such but it's the result of a far deeper rooted problem which has to be challenged at every level of society.... to keep ignoring it will eventually leave us all worse off in the long run.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ck-america

I agree, Keith.

The killing of Floyd has become a world wide catalyst calling for change.

As far as I know, everyone contributing to the discussion is white. As such we have ‘white privilege’, and haven’t had to deal with day to day casual racism ( or overt racism ) for our whole lives. I can only imagine for depressing that must be, and how it would wear you down, year after year.

It’s deep rooted as it’s been going on for centuries. I think it’s a fear of the ‘other’. People who look different, speak a different language, have a different religion or a different culture. However, underneath, we are all people with feelings. I think there have been some improvements in my lifetime, but sadly I don’t think I’ll live long enough to see a time when there’s genuinely not an ‘us’ and ‘them’, situation.

[Manoverboard]

I would agree with myself when I tell myself that we are all tribal so racism will never be resolved for a variety of reasons, toleration is the best we can all hope for. Protesting about it will achieve absolutely nothing ... in the long run.

Basically ....
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It may achieve another spike in covid 19

Indeed it may but let us hope the non protesters remain uninfected.

[david63]

I was reading earlier that the guy who was pushed by police and fell was known to them as a "long-time social justice activist", not that it is any excuse but does provide some background. Also, and it may just be coincidence, why was somebody filming at that precise moment in that place?

[Onelife]

I would agree with myself when I tell myself that we are all tribal so racism will never be resolved for a variety of reasons, toleration is the best we can all hope for. Protesting about it will achieve absolutely nothing ... in the long run.

Basically ....
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Just because one tribe has the facilities, services, and opportunities to make better lives for themselves shouldn’t mean another tribe is expected to survive in the jungle.

[Manoverboard]

I would agree with myself when I tell myself that we are all tribal so racism will never be resolved for a variety of reasons, toleration is the best we can all hope for. Protesting about it will achieve absolutely nothing ... in the long run.

Basically ....
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Just because one tribe has the facilities, services, and opportunities to make better lives for themselves shouldn’t mean another tribe is expected to survive in the jungle.

Racism is not about possessions or even quality of life.

It is actually about feelings and prejudices that have evolved within one's mind for a whole variety of valid reasons for over one thousand years ... and probably longer. If you think you have the solution then go solve the issues in the Holy Land.

[Onelife]

I would agree with myself when I tell myself that we are all tribal so racism will never be resolved for a variety of reasons, toleration is the best we can all hope for. Protesting about it will achieve absolutely nothing ... in the long run.

Basically ....
.

Just because one tribe has the facilities, services, and opportunities to make better lives for themselves shouldn’t mean another tribe is expected to survive in the jungle.

Racism is not about possessions or even quality of life.

It is actually about feelings and prejudices that have evolved within one's mind for a whole variety of valid reasons for over one thousand years ... and probably longer. If you think you have the solution then go solve the issues in the Holy Land.

I would say they are exactly what racism is about

The solutions won’t be found in the Holy land Mob they will be found in the minds of those who believe in equality…. you keep people suppressed for so long they will eventually look for a way out.

[Manoverboard]

Racism is not about possessions or even quality of life.

I would say they are exactly what racism is about

So if I, for example, have more possessions and a better way of life than you then there would be a racial tension between us.

I'll leave you with it

[Gill W]

I was reading earlier that the guy who was pushed by police and fell was known to them as a "long-time social justice activist", not that it is any excuse but does provide some background. Also, and it may just be coincidence, why was somebody filming at that precise moment in that place?

These days, people have their cameras out all the time and film their experiences. I’ve seen that particular incident from two different angles. The one that has been widely circulated on the news, and it was also caught on camera from somebody else on the other side of the road who happened to have their camera out. The full incident can’t be seen, but you do see the 75 year old man stagger back and fall to the ground, hitting his head and lying still.

I don’t believe it’s sinister that the incident was caught on camera. What I find sinister is that if the police are behaving like this when everyone is waving their phones around filming, what on earth are they doing behind closed doors when the cameras aren’t there

[barney]

I was reading earlier that the guy who was pushed by police and fell was known to them as a "long-time social justice activist", not that it is any excuse but does provide some background. Also, and it may just be coincidence, why was somebody filming at that precise moment in that place?

People are filming everything these days.
It’s about time the police woke up to that.

[Stephen]

Protesters are all scum in my view with nothing better to do than cause harm and disruption with a total disregard for authority. At the end of the day they're protesting makes no difference apart from gaining media attention which shows them for what they really are, just a bunch of thugs.

[Mervyn and Trish]

I was reading earlier that the guy who was pushed by police and fell was known to them as a "long-time social justice activist", not that it is any excuse but does provide some background. Also, and it may just be coincidence, why was somebody filming at that precise moment in that place?

These days, people have their cameras out all the time and film their experiences. I’ve seen that particular incident from two different angles. The one that has been widely circulated on the news, and it was also caught on camera from somebody else on the other side of the road who happened to have their camera out. The full incident can’t be seen, but you do see the 75 year old man stagger back and fall to the ground, hitting his head and lying still.

I don’t believe it’s sinister that the incident was caught on camera. What I find sinister is that if the police are behaving like this when everyone is waving their phones around filming, what on earth are they doing behind closed doors when the cameras aren’t there

For most of them behaving as one would hope and expect. I don't for one minute excuse the thuggish and ultimately fatal behaviour of this cop but let's not tar them all with the same brush. The vast majority will always behave well. A minority let the rest down. As with the rest of society.

As for the demos, I'm not convinced they'll achieve anything. Racism is, in my mind, an attitude. Those of us who are not racist don't need the demos to change us. Those who are, the ones who need to change, will just look at the demos and see the violent rent-a-mob amongst them, filter out the fact that many of those are white and only see the black ones, and further reinforce their prejudices.

[oldbluefox]

Don't you think some black people are racist? Are some of them perpetual victims and are they the victims of their own lifestyles?
It seems to me that those who have integrated into our society are those for whom racism is now in the past.

[Stephen]

I think this sums it up nicely. Taken from a FB post.
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I would just like to thank everyone that protested over something that didn't occur in the UK.

Thank you for ignoring the sacrifices that Nurses, Doctors, care workers, delivery drivers, supermarket workers, keyworkers and everyone that has kept us alive and going through this crisis.

Thank you for dishonouring those 40,465 that have died in the U.K. as of writing this post and the family’s that mourn them.

Thank you for disrespecting the 10’s of millions who have been at home; alone, lonely and away from their mums, dads, grandparents, children and friends.

Thank you for your sheer and absolute arrogance that makes your protest spread this virus to so many more people who will die.
Thank you for being inconsiderate twats, and the award for the worst COTHO for 2020 is yours.

[oldbluefox]

So true. I wonder how many of those protesting yesterday (and today) will be blaming Boris when the infection rate goes up? As one wag put it, save your "I can't breathe" cardboard. You might need it in a couple of weeks' time. It was a disgrace whatever their motives.